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Phre0nBurn

Phre0nBurn

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Let me hear it.

I've tried a few different projects/campaigns on AdWords, both directly to Aff offer, and to my site with landing page (which I know wasnt the best), as well as redir through one of my sites.

I tried a dozen different offers on FB ads until I got fed up with them taking nearly 24 hours to approve campaigns.

Ive tried the ebook thing (don't worry guys, this was a loooong time ago, when I FIRST found out there was money to be made on the internetz)

Ive tried Craigslist and a shitload of other local classifieds sites for Aff offers

Ive offered an array of services, from directory submissions to local biz leads, debt leads (local and national), and a few other things

And I still can't seem to make more than a few bucks...

Don't get me wrong, Im still trying, but I have a feeling Im not really doing what is necessary, and Im having trouble figuring out exactly what that is.

How many times did YOU fail hard before you got something right?

And does everyone do the same shit? I feel like Im doing the same thing as every other n00b or semi-n00b that doesn't have a special honed skill they can narrow down and focus on (PPC, Writing, Coding, etc).
 


are you really working that hard? Sounds to me like you dont know how to learn from your mistakes and give up to easily. definitely try to focus on making double digits at something. don't stop until you do, and stop spreading yourself so thin.
 
barman's right. You're spreading to thin. Find a method (or two) your comfortable with and stick with it. What you should be spreading is the offers. Go through as many as you can until you find one that sticks and then keep doing that one while you continue to search through new ones. Pretty soon you should have a stack of converting offers while constantly trying out new ones.
 
Phre0nBurn said:
I've tried a few different projects/campaigns on AdWords, both directly to Aff offer
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Not always the best.

and to my site with landing page (which I know wasnt the best)
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Why conclude that a the campaign is a failure when you know yourself that you're sending it to a shitty page?

as well as redir through one of my sites.
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Same as direct linking, not always the best...

I tried a dozen different offers on FB ads until I got fed up with them taking nearly 24 hours to approve campaigns.
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So you quit because you got fed up, not because you failed.

Ive tried the ebook thing (don't worry guys, this was a loooong time ago, when I FIRST found out there was money to be made on the internetz)
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Enough said.

Ive tried Craigslist and a shitload of other local classifieds sites for Aff offers
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Try harder, there's still some slightly-shady money to be made there.

Ive offered an array of services, from directory submissions to local biz leads, debt leads (local and national), and a few other things
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Quit trying 100 things and fucking concentrate on 1 thing.

How many times did YOU fail hard before you got something right?
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Plenty, but I didn't try 8 million things. I choose to go with PPC and haven't stopped since I started.

And does everyone do the same shit?
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More or less, some people just do it better than others.

I feel like Im doing the same thing as every other n00b or semi-n00b that doesn't have a special honed skill they can narrow down and focus on (PPC, Writing, Coding, etc).
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So stop trying everything and narrow it down. And get your ass off of Wickedfire and start working ;).
 
You are probably trying on a too small scale. If something works, multiply. Not 10 times, not 100 times, thousands. Automate as much as possible, get software and scripts for the grunt work. You could even write it yourself, well, my PHP skills are pretty basic and suck, so I pay for it.

You can build a site paying for it's hosting and making 50$ net profit a month ? You won't automatically make 5k with 100 of those sites, but once you start growing and building your own networks you'll see the synergy effects.

Work, build, work, build. Don't spend too much time on tweaking and hugging existing stuff. Don't work 2 or 3 hours a day. If you want to make the same money you would make with a 9 to 5 job, work from 9 to 9 instead...long term it pays off.

Well, it's basically the errors I made when I started. I thought I'd work relaxed, a little here, a little there, build a bit, wait, wait, wait. Failure is rarely a result of a lack of knowledge, it's a result of focussing on the wrong things mixed with a little lazyness.
 
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that doesn't have a special honed skill they can narrow down and focus on (PPC, Writing, Coding, etc).
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Then get that one skill you need. Stop spreading yourself so thin. I admire your willingness to jump head first into everything (the opposite is my problem) but take a step back and focus on one thing until you've mastered it. Realize the things you'll never master and pay someone else to do those things.
 
well, even if you choose to stick with ppc, try to stick in your niche. See what the niche audience really wants. Read industry news, watch out trends, what's HOT for them, their slang, their criteria when they decide to buy products, etc niche related. Spy your competitor, why are they successful, what their landing page looks like, what they do and you don't, what can you do to be better. Focus is the key ;)

when you got converting offer on that niche scale it up and then you can experiment on another different niche

good luck phre :)
 
I've had far, far more failures than successes. However, the profits of success should be greater than the combined loss of failures - that's when you start making money. No one I know is successful every time out of the gate.

It's a lot of trial and error. And like everyone else said, it sounds like you're spreading yourself way too thin.
 
Spend some time and learn PHP (or ASP) as well as the basics of database management, CSS, Photoshop, HTML, and Javascript. It's a lot easier to do business in Germany if you speak German. It's a lot easier to do business on the internet if you understand the code that's underlying everything you're doing.
 
Phre0nBurn said:
Let me hear it.

I've tried a few different projects/campaigns on AdWords, both directly to Aff offer, and to my site with landing page (which I know wasnt the best), as well as redir through one of my sites.

I tried a dozen different offers on FB ads until I got fed up with them taking nearly 24 hours to approve campaigns.

Ive tried the ebook thing (don't worry guys, this was a loooong time ago, when I FIRST found out there was money to be made on the internetz)

Ive tried Craigslist and a shitload of other local classifieds sites for Aff offers

Ive offered an array of services, from directory submissions to local biz leads, debt leads (local and national), and a few other things

And I still can't seem to make more than a few bucks...

Don't get me wrong, Im still trying, but I have a feeling Im not really doing what is necessary, and Im having trouble figuring out exactly what that is.

How many times did YOU fail hard before you got something right?

And does everyone do the same shit? I feel like Im doing the same thing as every other n00b or semi-n00b that doesn't have a special honed skill they can narrow down and focus on (PPC, Writing, Coding, etc).
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People are making money doing all of this shit or else you wouldn't have tried it- so pick one thing and become an expert at it. Try until you've failed in every single way possible so you can narrow down the path to success. Start small and learn the fundamentals and then grow as you gain confidence (and money to lose). Try not to get bored with things (my downfall) even when they become really fucking boring and seem to be going nowhere. Try to find new angles or slight variations you can use to mix up your techniques to find more money in not so obvious places (but stay focussed on one thing at a time). It doesn't happen over night, so stick to one thing until you've built a strong ass core for your business and then venture outward and try new things (when you have time and can afford to test different waters).

Probably the biggest thing of all is to know how to balance the learning and doing aspects. I would say spend 10% of your time dedicated strictly to learning and 90% of your time working on your shit with no distractions... if you need to use some of the 90% to learn, only do it as you run into problems- get them fixed and get the fuck moving again. I was one of the people who sat around reading about this shit for 8 hours and then working for 1. Luckily for me: a) I realized I was being a fuckin douchebag and b) probably 80-90% of people who try to make money online do the same thing and will never learn, eliminating most competition before they ever start.

Keep your shit simple and track the shit out of it. If you just use your own common sense and the basic principles of internet marketing, you can pretty much adapt the concepts to all sorts of different techniques. Also, if you read a thread with some hot technique that has 87 pages of replies of people saying they are going to try it, it's probably been saturated for quite awhile already and/ or isn't worth your time and the little money you have to make grow.

There- I just saved you about 10 lessons that you don't have to learn the hard way.
 
Wellllllll shit...

Now that you all point it out, I guess you guys are pretty dead on... I do spread myself thin... I feel like there is so much out there to learn and to try that I feel if I try it all at once and learn a little of everything at once, I can get it all out of the way and make some money sooner.

Ill try to pick 1 broad thing, and learn it inside and out... My only problem is I don't know WTF to choose, haha... But thats something Im gonna need to sit down and really analyze and consider.

I know that nothing valuable is learned easily, you have to learn it the hard way... But I just want to make sure that Im fucking up the right way, and not the wrong...

As some of you pointed out, I am doing it the wrong way, and thats exactly why I brought it up!
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Try to partner with someone who *is* making money ... offer yourself as an intern or a full fledged partner on a project (on a % of earning basis). Learn as much as you can in the process, and keep investing in your education.
 
What's you're email address, bro? I'm not a huge earner but I do make money. I'd be happy to show you what works for me.
 
zany zoroaster said:
Try to partner with someone who *is* making money ... offer yourself as an intern or a full fledged partner on a project (on a % of earning basis). Learn as much as you can in the process, and keep investing in your education.
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I like this idea a lot, if anyone is interested in working with me on a few projects it would be great. My stengths are web development and copy writing - am still learning on the PPC front.

Ohh and sorry if this is a thread hijack, just thought it didnt warrant a new thread!
 
I make money just by making lots of sites that get natural traffic. I find a niche and then conquer all the sub niches in that niche and then move on. I build sites that are more geared toward sustainability and partner with a couple cmpanies ( in niches that I know have other companies that could step in any time) rather than chasing offers. I have found it very easy. But getting the work done is the hard part. I admit to being lazy. I never fail to make money ( and by money I mean residual income) unless I just stop making shit.

I am the opposite of a lot of people here as I never did well with PPC ( plus being banned from Adwords doesn't help)- and that's really what I am trying to pick up from being around. I'm trying to unify all my SEO and PPC and other marketin combined with a shitload of tactics to build my empire.

I'm not saying its EASY or that everyone who does it will get rich overnight, but I have never found it impossible to at least make SOME money and even in my hobby of buying up hundreds of domains when I am bored at 3am I have never had a bad one.
 
some of you peeps should seriously consider promoting porn...

I know there's the whole social stigma thing... but if you can make any amount of money doing niche mainstream marketing, you can make some money in adult too... same basic stuff just with tits and ass... just pick a niche that isn't too saturated and try to promote it...

I mean why put all your eggs in one basket?

one stupid example... in the last 24hours I've made 2 sales with the Amy Fisher sex tape via this blog: Amy Fisher and her sex tape — Amy Fisher Exposed

I've put less than an hour total worth of work into and the only traffic I get is little bit of organic SE traffic... so, for the cost of a domain and a little of my time I've made $59.90 just in the last 24 hours from it... and it'll keep bringing me sales even without updating or promoting it further... hell, even if it never makes another sale it's still been well worth my time to build...

that reminds me, I need to update my affiliate program stats page to include those sales w/redlightrevenue...
 
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