Why wouldn't a traffic source jack my campaign?

[bcc423]

However, being an affiliate where the barrier to entry is higher, i.e. media buyers, the outlook is going to be much different.

Yep. When you have bigger bankroll, you are definitely no longer competing against thousands of noobs who are burning through the last $100 on their last un-maxed-out credit card.

But think about this scenario.

You can either make a media buy and drive traffic to the offer (directly or indirectly).

Or you can make the same buy and drive traffic to your own project. And that project's main purpose should be building up and retaining audience. So that one day, aside from selling to them over and over, you'll also have others making media buys from you.

That's an example of trying to gain control of the audience. And I think that ultimately, that's a better business model.

Of course, you won't be able to recover your money right away. But that's just what makes the entry barrier even higher for anyone who wants to do the same exact thing.

It elevates you one step higher.

So if you made it to the point of having spare cash, then invest it in building your own brand instead of promoting brands of others.

Once you control the audience, you can make a lot of things happen.

 

[ontheconcord]

Yep. When you have bigger bankroll, you are definitely no longer competing against thousands of noobs who are burning through the last $100 on their last un-maxed-out credit card.

But think about this scenario.

You can either make a media buy and drive traffic to the offer (directly or indirectly).

Or you can make the same buy and drive traffic to your own project. And that project's main purpose should be building up and retaining audience. So that one day, aside from selling to them over and over, you'll also have others making media buys from you.

That's an example of trying to gain control of the audience. And I think that ultimately, that's a better business model.

Of course, you won't be able to recover your money right away. But that's just what makes the entry barrier even higher for anyone who wants to do the same exact thing.

It elevates you one step higher.

So if you made it to the point of having spare cash, then invest it in building your own brand instead of promoting brands of others.

Once you control the audience, you can make a lot of things happen.

Captain obvious strikes again. Sell me your ebook!

 

[bcc423]

Captain obvious strikes again. Sell me your ebook!

Desperate and pissed at life much? I don't think an e-book is going to help you.

 

[Koschei]

Desperate and pissed at life much? I don't think an e-book is going to help you.

You talk like you are the only one who ever thought of building your own properties.

 

[Rajuthan]

Desperate and pissed at life much? I don't think an e-book is going to help you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFgXF0a_Yw4

 

[bcc423]

You talk like you are the only one who ever thought of building your own properties.

Where did I say that or even imply that? I was simply replying to another post.

 

[Koschei]

Where did I say that or even imply that? I was simply replying to another post.

Um, maybe because you think if someone is an affiliate they are "desperate and pissed"?

 

[bcc423]

Um, maybe because you think everyone else is "desperate and pissed"?

Nope. Not everyone. Just one dude there.

What would make you think that post was directed at "everyone else"?

 

[Koschei]

Nope. Not everyone. Just one dude there.

What would make you think that post was directed at "everyone else"?

Because you exude a little too much superiority talking about how you ban affiliates from your AdSense.

Dude, smart affiliates know that traffic sources come and go, and plan accordingly. Just like I am sure you know that rankings and traffic on your property pages go up and down. There are and there will always be new offers, new traffic sources and new arbitrage opportunities. A lot of guys here, myself included, run content sites with AdSense while doing affiliate marketing, so no need to hate.

 

[bcc423]

Because you exude a little too much superiority talking about... blah blah

So let me get this straight.

You read something I wrote.
You then started hypothesizing what my words mean instead of taking them for face value.
After that, you took what's now essentially your thoughts and attributed them to me.
And then, you responded to your own thoughts but in my direction.

There is a medical condition that describes it. I believe it's called being a fucking idiot.

And judging by the fact that it seems to be spreading, I would venture to say it's contagious.

Now, on a serious note:

Dude, smart affiliates know that traffic sources come and go, and plan accordingly.... There are and there will always be new offers, new traffic sources and new arbitrage opportunities.

Right. As I mentioned multiple times through my posts above, it's pretty much non-stop hustling. You can't chill for very long or you'll get fucked by a bunch of other hungry fuckers.

Just like I am sure you know that rankings and traffic on your property pages go up and down.

Yep. But relying on search engine traffic and building an audience are two different things.

If your business goes bust the minute you lose your ranking (or quality score or a media contract), then you don't really have a business.

So if you assumed that when I mentioned building an audience I meant to say building some piece of shit Adsense site (or "empire") in hopes of scoring some free traffic, then you mistook my meaning.

A lot of guys here, myself included, run content sites with AdSense while doing affiliate marketing, so no need to hate.

I do too.

I'm not hating. The only reason you would even think that must be because you are getting defensive. Although I honestly can't understand why you would. But it certainly explains your (newly contracted) fucking idiot condition

 

[Koschei]

LOL. What do I have to be defensive about? You are the one throwing a fit. I just thought your post trashing affiliates was ridiculous.

 

[veneficus]

pictures like the anteater are adooorable!

 

[bcc423]

I just thought your post trashing affiliates was ridiculous.

I'm not trashing anyone. I'm just calling things the way they are.
Think of it this way. An ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyer is an ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that.

And if you get a room full of ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyers, they might joke about themselves being a bunch of ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyers.

Unless one or two of them get defensive all of the sudden for some weird reason and start inferring hidden meaning where there isn't one.

You might call it "contextual-advertising-monetized web property" while I might call it "a piece of shit AdSense site", but we would still be talking about the same thing.

Yet, just because I chose a certain way to describe something (a way which I think most accurately describes it), you assumed that I hate it or that I'm against it in some way.

The only thing I said is that affiliate marketers are at the bottom of the food chain. And I also illustrated that fact with an example from my own experience.

I believe that trying to use the money made by affiliate marketing to get away from affiliate marketing is a smart strategy.

How is that hating or throwing a fit or trashing anyone?

 

[Koschei]

I'm not trashing anyone. I'm just calling things the way they are.
Think of it this way. An ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyer is an ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that.

And if you get a room full of ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyers, they might joke about themselves being a bunch of ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyers.

Unless one or two of them get defensive all of the sudden for some weird reason and start inferring hidden meaning where there isn't one.

You might call it "contextual-advertising-monetized web property" while I might call it "a piece of shit AdSense site", but we would still be talking about the same thing.

Yet, just because I chose a certain way to describe something (a way which I think most accurately describes it), you assumed that I hate it or that I'm against it in some way.

The only thing I said is that affiliate marketers are at the bottom of the food chain. And I also illustrated that fact with an example from my own experience.

I believe that trying to use the money made by affiliate marketing to get away from affiliate marketing is a smart strategy.

How is that hating or throwing a fit or trashing anyone?

Dear Friend,

Your concern for the well-being of affiliate marketers is greatly appreciated.

Now if you drop the attitude someone might just pay attention.

Good luck bro

P.S. You might call what you produce "valuable audience" while I might call it "a piece of shit sheeple inventory". Not that anything is wrong with it.

 

[ontheconcord]

Desperate and pissed at life much? I don't think an e-book is going to help you.

Make more sense.

 

[ontheconcord]

I'm not trashing anyone. I'm just calling things the way they are.
Think of it this way. An ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyer is an ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyer. There is nothing wrong with that.

And if you get a room full of ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyers, they might joke about themselves being a bunch of ambulance-chasing sleazebag injury lawyers.

Unless one or two of them get defensive all of the sudden for some weird reason and start inferring hidden meaning where there isn't one.

You might call it "contextual-advertising-monetized web property" while I might call it "a piece of shit AdSense site", but we would still be talking about the same thing.

Yet, just because I chose a certain way to describe something (a way which I think most accurately describes it), you assumed that I hate it or that I'm against it in some way.

The only thing I said is that affiliate marketers are at the bottom of the food chain. And I also illustrated that fact with an example from my own experience.

I believe that trying to use the money made by affiliate marketing to get away from affiliate marketing is a smart strategy.

How is that hating or throwing a fit or trashing anyone?

PHD in analogies.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

bcc423 is correct. If you guys are defensive about it's only because you aren't seeing the whole picture.

 

[productionhead]

bcc, so basically you monetize with adcents? talk about building value

 

[kingfish]

bcc423 is giving exceptionally good business advice that it appears most people are too stupid to recognize and are even flaming him for it. It's actually rather sad when people are so stubborn and defensive they can't take high quality freely given advice without starting to cry about something.

If you don't think people will take your campaign off of their adsense page and run it then your either stupid or naive. It's good business for them and it'd be a disservice to themselves it they didn't. The same goes for any other traffic source.

As was said affiliate marketing is a byproduct of the inefficiencies in the online advertising marketplace. An affiliates job is to find and fix these inefficiencies. If they do it well they make money at it. But it's the job other persons in the market to take the fixes to the efficiency that the affiliate created and apply them, thus ultimately and eventually weeding out the affiliate. Then the affiliates job is to move on and fix more inefficiencies.

That is the basic economic foundation of affiliate marketing and will continue as long as we operate under a free market. If you want to continue to find inefficiencies and fix them then stay as an affiliate. If you don't like the constant phase switches that come with the job then become another player in the market either by taking control of the product or the purchasers. If you want to refute this and say "Oh well I have this campaign that's ran for years" then that's great I congratulate you but all it means is you've found a weakness in the market that the other parties have yet failed to address and continue to do so. Keep it up but it doesn't change the basic economics of the system.

Now I'll return to posting mostly silly pictures.

 

[ontheconcord]

bcc423 is giving exceptionally good business advice that it appears most people are too stupid to recognize and are even flaming him for it. It's actually rather sad when people are so stubborn and defensive they can't take high quality freely given advice without starting to cry about something.

If you don't think people will take your campaign off of their adsense page and run it then your either stupid or naive. It's good business for them and it'd be a disservice to themselves it they didn't. The same goes for any other traffic source.

As was said affiliate marketing is a byproduct of the inefficiencies in the online advertising marketplace. An affiliates job is to find and fix these inefficiencies. If they do it well they make money at it. But it's the job other persons in the market to take the fixes to the efficiency that the affiliate created and apply them, thus ultimately and eventually weeding out the affiliate. Then the affiliates job is to move on and fix more inefficiencies.

That is the basic economic foundation of affiliate marketing and will continue as long as we operate under a free market. If you want to continue to find inefficiencies and fix them then stay as an affiliate. If you don't like the constant phase switches that come with the job then become another player in the market either by taking control of the product or the purchasers. If you want to refute this and say "Oh well I have this campaign that's ran for years" then that's great I congratulate you but all it means is you've found a weakness in the market that the other parties have yet failed to address and continue to do so. Keep it up but it doesn't change the basic economics of the system.

Now I'll return to posting mostly silly pictures.

We're not flaming him, just fooling around on how hard he is trying in terms of his approach. Anyone with a half a brain in this industry or any industry that involves lead generation or direct sales comprehends and agrees with his theory.

Now, on with the silly pictures.