Why wouldn't a traffic source jack my campaign?

kingfish said:
bcc423 is giving exceptionally good business advice that it appears most people are too stupid to recognize and are even flaming him for it. It's actually rather sad when people are so stubborn and defensive they can't take high quality freely given advice without starting to cry about something.

If you don't think people will take your campaign off of their adsense page and run it then your either stupid or naive. It's good business for them and it'd be a disservice to themselves it they didn't. The same goes for any other traffic source.

As was said affiliate marketing is a byproduct of the inefficiencies in the online advertising marketplace. An affiliates job is to find and fix these inefficiencies. If they do it well they make money at it. But it's the job other persons in the market to take the fixes to the efficiency that the affiliate created and apply them, thus ultimately and eventually weeding out the affiliate. Then the affiliates job is to move on and fix more inefficiencies.

That is the basic economic foundation of affiliate marketing and will continue as long as we operate under a free market. If you want to continue to find inefficiencies and fix them then stay as an affiliate. If you don't like the constant phase switches that come with the job then become another player in the market either by taking control of the product or the purchasers. If you want to refute this and say "Oh well I have this campaign that's ran for years" then that's great I congratulate you but all it means is you've found a weakness in the market that the other parties have yet failed to address and continue to do so. Keep it up but it doesn't change the basic economics of the system.

Now I'll return to posting mostly silly pictures.
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I would not argue that he has some great points and plenty of people could learn something from his rants.

But it is ridiculous to assume that all the inefficiencies that affiliates exploit are just simply going to completely disappear or that every traffic source and product owner will be able to find and exploit them themselves. If as the owner of AdSense site, all bcc does is stare at his affiliate ads to try to jack them, he is clearly not focusing on the big picture he needs to grow and monetize his property.

There is a place for every link in the ecosystem and there are profits to be made at every level. Of course, affiliates relying solely on paid traffic are the most vulnerable to shifts. But so is anyone who thinks that building, keeping and monetizing their "audience" is always going to be profitable. That is while paid traffic affiliates building lists and audiences can monetize them many times over.

Look at Wall Street. Traders and arbitrageurs exploit information inefficiencies just like the affiliates. Averaged across greater ups and downs, they have usually done better than investment bankers getting business off their relationships (audience). These two groups get into similar fights over "who is more important" and who should be the boss of their firm.

If anything online advertising keeps getting more complex, resembling financial markets with a lot of room for more market-makers.

But if in doubt, stay out and let us make the monies. AFFILIATE MARKETING IS DEAD!

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Instead of driving media buys into your property, how about driving the affiliate property into buying Properties, paying to create AWESOME content, not mention buying massive amount of GREAT Links..

Because building property is the most difficult link in that food chain.. because your media traffic means shit if they aren't going to stick. you could say Opt in? But everybody is doing it already.. And if your property is Sticky, you don't even need Media Buying today... There are a million better ways to build traffic if your site is worth visiting twice..

But noone is going to comeback to Ashleysdietblog again..
 
But then, since Ashleysdietblog converts better, and there is huge competition for every traffic source, those who are making hay with ashleysdietblog now will be in a better position to buy the Property you are building up.. If you are not selling, there are others who are...
 
Thanks bbc423 us lowly affiliates have to buy our traffic some where. We need people that think they are so much better off building a site and controlling an "audience" and maybe that's the best thing for you given your skill set.

All your posts really boil down to saying is, make sure to save some money to invest so you don't always have to hustle to pay the bills. In your business saving is built into what you are doing unless you sell your sites and blow the cash while in affiliate marketing you have to activity decide to not spend some cash and save it somewhere long term.

So to reiterate, everything is a hustle. No matter what you do when you stop working you stop earning only your investments can continue to make you money then. That audience you control that you spent time working to get is no different then an affiliates stock portfolio they spent time working to get.
 
But it is ridiculous to assume that all the inefficiencies that affiliates exploit are just simply going to completely disappear or that every traffic source and product owner will be able to find and exploit them themselves.
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Dude. Where did I say that anything is going to disappear?

Are you projecting your own thoughts onto me again? LOL. I think it's getting worse.

These two groups get into similar fights over "who is more important" and who should be the boss of their firm.
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The only thing is, I didn't get into "who is more important" argument. You just assumed that I did. Again, you are just arguing with your own thoughts here, not with anything I said.

Anyone with a half a brain in this industry or any industry that involves lead generation or direct sales comprehends and agrees with his theory.
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Apparently not.

But then, I would say that judging by some posts here (productionhead's being one example) some people can't even understand what they are reading, let alone understand any theory.
 
All your posts really boil down to saying is, make sure to save some money to invest so you don't always have to hustle to pay the bills.
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Yep. Pretty much. But not save, instead I would say use the money to slowly change your entire business model.

So to reiterate, everything is a hustle.
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It's true to some extent, but you can't really compare day-to-day hustles of an owner of some corner shop which the whole community uses and likes with hustles of a door-to-door salesman roaming the streets.

They both need to work for a living. And a good salesman can make more money in a shorter period of time, not to mention the fact that he can start with nothing and make some money.

But do you really want that kind of a hustle for the rest of your life? Or would you rather use that money to get away from such business and get something more stable?
 
bcc423 said:
But then, I would say that judging by some posts here (productionhead's being one example) some people can't even understand what they are reading, let alone understand any theory.
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keep getting your panties in a bunch, it really amuses me, i was simply issuing a playful jab at you for using Adsense for monetization when you advocate higher and greater things than that

also I don't need understand any of your theories, anyone who has scaled up a campaign as an affiliate knows what's above the ceiling
 
Koschei, backed into a corner by first arguing with me, and then by agreeing with me, and then by ridiculing the obviousness of what I'm stating (which implies your agreement), yet still trying to frame it in a form of disagreement.

Good. My work here is done :)
 
ontheconcord, the same goes for you too :)

Me satisfied and amused. We can close the thread now.
 
bcc423 said:
Koschei, backed into a corner by first arguing with me, and then by agreeing with me, and then by ridiculing the obviousness of what I'm stating (which implies your agreement), yet still trying to frame it in a form of disagreement.

Good. My work here is done :)
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Thanks for entertaining us! You are a good sport :)
 
This is a great thread.

I have to basically agree with bcc. Affiliate marketing is not going anywhere and it has it's place, but that place is best used as a training ground to learn the business as you evolve into building your own sites/traffic/products.

-Mark
 
IMadvisor said:
This is a great thread.

I have to basically agree with bcc. Affiliate marketing is not going anywhere and it has it's place, but that place is best used as a training ground to learn the business as you evolve into building your own sites/traffic/products.

-Mark
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we need this guy at the end of every thread from now on
 
IMadvisor said:
This is a great thread.

I have to basically agree with bcc. Affiliate marketing is not going anywhere and it has it's place, but that place is best used as a training ground to learn the business as you evolve into building your own sites/traffic/products.

-Mark
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I agree. This is a great way to summarize the thread, without insulting affiliate marketers.
 
Some of you guys are way too sensitive, what bcc423 says is 100% correct and it's as if some of you can't see the big picture or don't want to hear that you are on the bottom of the food chain cause you are making good money so you instead get defensive.

Yes you can make good money there and I have been doing just that for years but at the end of the day it's an extremely volatile business model and one that is very hard to build anything more than a one man show out of (but not impossible) which is why you see many big affiliates move up the latter and become advertisers, networks, etc. I personally don't feel very secure without a steady monthly income of automated cc charges rolling in to pay all the office expenses, employees, etc whether or not I spend a penny on advertising or not.

Every affiliate should take a step back and think about the big picture once they get good at what they do and build up a bankroll. That's just smart business, no one wants to hustle so hard to chase the next dollar (hot niche) forever.
 
First of bcc I totally get what you're sayig. And I think you're not discerning between the two core things that are being talked about and you're blending them.

1. Work
2. Investments

Now you're talking about investing your cash into properties that build users. This would be considered a capital investment into buildng a asset that could potentially throw off cash in the future. Really this is the same as taking the investment and putting it into a property, renting it and then having it generate income for you.

Doing the above goes without saying. But don't confuse investenting with work. Now you can work on your investment or you can hire other people to work on your investment. This would be the difference between a passive and an active investment. Back to the house example I can buy a house swing a hammer and remodel it myself. Then I can find renters, and manage the property myself. This can become my full time job if I want. Buying house and fixing them up then renting them out. These properties will be worth a lot in the future and will generate cash flow at some point down the road. The other option is buy a house, hire a contractor, hire a property management company and make that investment passive.

I think you'll find a lot of affiiliates actually enjoy the hustle. They enjoy the shifting market and that's what keeps it interesting and has always drawn me to affiliate marketing. Like most successful long term affiliates I take my cash and invest it, same as you, into assets that will throw off cash for me in the future. I just chose to make those assets passive vs. active.


Bottom-Line if you're making cash invest it into some sort of asset that is going to give you an income in the future and appreciate. Welcome to wealth building 101.

Just my 3 cents as always.

Smaxor out :D

P.S. I own a site, have lots of users ( affiliates, advertisers ) and it's 100x's more of a hustle then I ever had as an affiliate.
 
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