anyone here been to Vietnam?

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was planning a trip to Thailand and was going to see Vietnam as well . I heard it was beautiful there but also heard there was like 2 million land mines still in that country left over from previous wars.

I was also planning and seeing china as well when over there

anyone here been to either china or Vietnam?

if so what was the climate like? people, cost of living , girls, food etc?

I have seen several threads on here that have said you can live like a king in Thailand and similar places for years on only like 50 K
 


I spent about a month traveling there. Not my favorite country...actually my least favorite. Not awful, but the people view you as a walking wallet which wasn't my experience in other parts in Asia. It happens in other places but it's endemic there.

Thailand and China are much, much better in almost every way. Don't sweat the landmines...unless you're trekking in hardcore jungle you don't need to worry.

Climate is cold as fuck in the North if you're going in the winter...the south is nice all year round.

Decent place to visit because it's really beautiful and the food is good. But I wouldn't go back.
 
I spent about a month traveling there. Not my favorite country...actually my least favorite. Not awful, but the people view you as a walking wallet which wasn't my experience in other parts in Asia. It happens in other places but it's endemic there.

Thailand and China are much, much better in almost every way. Don't sweat the landmines...unless you're trekking in hardcore jungle you don't need to worry.

Climate is cold as fuck in the North if you're going in the winter...the south is nice all year round.

Decent place to visit because it's really beautiful and the food is good. But I wouldn't go back.

thanks for the input
 
For 50K/ Year you can live king life provided you already have a place to reside in and a car to drive.


yeah that is what I heard you can really make your money last over there.

has anyone considered becoming a full citizen of Thailand or one of the southeast countries?
 
I've been living here for the past 8 months in HCMC.

I'm just gonna say it's not a tourist friendly country at all. If you're visiting here, everyone's going to try to fuck you over $ wise. The more Vietnamese you know, the better your experience will be. I'm Asian and speak conversational Vietnamese, and they still try to fuck me over.

Money wise this country's cheap, the average person here makes $200 a month. A local lunch or dinner runs $1. 2 bottles at the hottest club costs $100. My new 2 bedroom condo's about $1000 (it matches western apartments).

Girls wise it depends on you. The problem is the language barrier because most girls don't speak English. However my friends that are english teachers here clean up, you just gotta know where the English speaking girls hang out at.

Viet girls have a bad reputation of being gold diggers, but most of that stems from guys vacationing here and falling in love with massage girls / PR girls at the clubs. There's plenty of beautiful, available women here, on top of that they all know how to cook.

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I would say 20% of guys here are gay and 70% of guys here make around $200 a month here. Lets just say the odds are in your favor, especially if you learn the language.

The country has great beaches too, Nha Trang and Phu Quoc.

The food is one of the best food places in Asia. The only places better are maybe Kuala Lumpur and Hong Kong.

If you come here just PM and I'll show you around
 
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For 50K/ Year you can live king life provided you already have a place to reside in and a car to drive.
Well, you can live pretty damn good in North America on $50k/year if you have a home and a car too.
 
For 50K/ Year you can live king life provided you already have a place to reside in and a car to drive.

Lol wut?

You can live like a god in Vietnam for $25k a year and that includes having to pay for accom, if you've ever been to Vietnam then you'll know a car isn't the greatest idea either.

Went there for a month and it was great. Just don't be a pussy and rent a moped, makes travelling around towns and cities so much better.

I did north to south on the coast. Make sure you go to Halong Bay, get a tailor made suit from Hoi An and go to Nha Trang as well. Make sure you swerve Da Lat at all costs, it's a ghost town and the most tourist unfriendly place in Vietnam.
 
I've been living here for the past 8 months in HCMC.

I'm just gonna say it's not a tourist friendly country at all. If you're visiting here, everyone's going to try to fuck you over $ wise. The more Vietnamese you know, the better your experience will be. I'm Asian and speak conversational Vietnamese, and they still try to fuck me over.

Same in a lot of poor countries. I don't think this is a Vietnam thing. You probably notice it more because you live there.

I lived in Thailand for several years and you get that same feeling. In Thailand you are always a foreigner no matter how long you live there or how well you speak the language.

And they don't just fuck over the tourists in Thailand, they fuck over other Thais. You can only open the local paper and read so many stories of a bus crash and the locals rushing out to steal the luggage without offering any assistance to the injured before you realize that poverty drives people to think in a completely different way than you're used to.


I would say 20% of guys here are gay and 70% of guys here make around $200 a month here. Lets just say the odds are in your favor, especially if you learn the language.

Thailand's the same way.

And, at least in Thailand, it's not like the guys making $200 (in Thailand, it's about $350) a month are keepers. Most of the guys making the bare minimum like gamble and drink their wages away.

Women's rights have a long way to go and many men keep their women in check with a fist or the back of their hand.

A lot of the Thai women that I know only date foreigners. Not because they're looking for the big pay day when they land themselves a rich foreigner but because they know the chances of them finding a decent Thai guy is slim given the same sort of numbers you quotes (i.e. 20% gay, 70% earning minimum wage).
 
was planning a trip to Thailand and was going to see Vietnam as well . I heard it was beautiful there but also heard there was like 2 million land mines still in that country left over from previous wars.

I wouldn't worry about land mines. Unless you're planning on heading deep into the jungle, you have as much chance of being blown up by a land mine as you do in London.

I have seen several threads on here that have said you can live like a king in Thailand and similar places for years on only like 50 K

You hear a lot of people say stuff like that but it's a little on the bullshit side. You can live, one maybe two years on $50K unless you want to live like the locals.

And when I say live like a local I mean, 4000 baht per month apartment with no air conditioning, eating local food 3 meals a day, and not going out or doing much. But that sort of defeats the purpose of moving somewhere so you can live like a king, doesn't it?

I can't speak for Vietnam in terms of cost of living but in Thailand, in Bangkok specifically, you'll pay about $500 - $1000 for rent. I stayed in some pretty decent neighborhoods and my rent was 25,000 baht ($833 USD) per month.

Is that living like a king? Not king of any country I would want to rule :-) It's a decent furnished 1-bedroom, air-conditioned apartment in a nice building with a gym and swimming pool.

Yeah, in a big western city I would pay about $1200 - $1500 for the same place but surely few people in the US would consider a $1500 a month apartment living like a king.

Dr_Ngo says you can eat a local meal for $1 in Vietnam. Yeah, about the same in Thailand. Except, do you really want to eat Larb Moo every day?

If you want anything resembling a western lifestyle, you'll pay western prices. McDonald's will set you back $5 - $10 a meal.

$100 for two bottles in the hottest club in town? Yeah, same in Thailand (about 1500 baht per bottle of Johnny in a Bangkok nightclub). But, the hottest club in Bangkok isn't on par with the hottest club in New York or London or wherever.

In fact, when you start doing the math, you realize that you're paying either the same or slightly less than you might back home.

So, speaking of doing the math, $50K would be 1.5 million baht. My nut was about 100,000 a month for me and my girlfriend and we did not live some sort of superstar lifestyle at all. Sure, we ate out most nights and we went out fairly often but nothing really more than what I do back home.

So, 1.5 million over 12 months is 125,000 a month.

Apartment: 25,000
Internet: 1500
Mobile phone: 1000 (I had unlimited data plan)
Utilities: 1000
Food (300 baht per meal x 2 people) 54,000

Right there, that's 82,500 baht and I haven't even had a beer yet. That means I've got 42,500 to spend each month on entertainment or whatever. Or, roughly 10,000 per week (if I had your budget).

And, that doesn't include health insurance (if you feel you need it), transportation, clothing allowance to replace clothes as they wear out, the latest tech gadgets, holiday away from the city, etc.

So, let's say you want to live like a king on 10,000 a week . . . well, that's about 1400 per day/night. Beer will cost you 120 a bottle around most of Bangkok so 3 or 4 beers a day takes you down to about 1000 baht per day.

Sure, you can have fun on 1000 baht per day but don't plan on hitting the go-go bars and taking a girl home with you. She's gonna run you 2000 - 3000 baht for the night, plus the 600 baht barfine, plus a drink or two for her at the go-go (400 or 500 baht including your drink or two).

Obviously, I had a girlfriend so my food costs were double and you might enjoy eating local food a few times a day so your costs may vary but as you can see, $50K doesn't go as far as some people would lead you to believe. Not that you can't live on $50K, just that whole "live like a king" thing isn't quite accurate.

Instead of people saying that you can live like a king in Thailand or Vietnam or Cambodia or the Philippines, they should say that you can live there for next to nothing if you are willing to live cheap. You can live on 10,000 ($333) a month. It won't be a life of luxury by any stretch of the imagination but I think you would be hard pressed to live on $333 in any western country.

But as soon as you start mixing in any sort of western pleasures, you're really only saving about 20% - 25% over back home. So, a better way to think about it is to figure out what lifestyle you want to live.

If your aim is to live like a king then your cost of living isn't going to be radically different from back home. If this is a whole life change for you, and you're willing to live more like the locals, then it can be crazy cheap.
 
Yeah I pretty much agree with most of whats been posted here. I spent a month in Vietnam in March and although there were some highlights to the trip the walking wallet thing pissed me off....in fact the Vietnamese have a word for it....fatty cow. Which means tourists/people that have too much money and need to be taken advantage off.

Now, I flew into Hanoi in the north and although there were a fair amount of scams around...I actually had a fair bit of fun up there. Walking around Hoan Kiem Lake was a blast. Ha Long bay was nice but the boat trips were way over priced and the food on-board substandard.

Next went to DaNang and stayed at HoiAhn. This place was really nice...sort of smallish town and lots of decent restaurants...the beach near DaNang, China Beach, was amazing. It pretty much made up for everything laying on that sand there. Nha Trang can be decent too.

Unfortunately, once we got below the old DMZ the people seemed to change into hardended tourist scam artists. Saigon I found to be shit. It has some interesting sites but everywhere you go people are bugging the shit out of you for stuff and watch out for pick pockets around ben than markets. Sometimes you would walk into a shop and order something to eat and the price would double from whats on the board. Just because your a "fatty cow". Nightime you would have guys following you on motocyclo's trying to sell you everything from young girls to drugs and would even follow you up the road after you told them to fuck off.

Overall, I found Saigon to be the pits and with all the BS scamming ended up being way more expensive than Thailand. I doubt I would ever go back to the South considering some of the other awesome countries around there.

Anyway, thats my 2 cents.
 
I lasted about 48 hours in Hanoi before I left, even though had a week booked & paid for at the hotel. People tried to fuck me from the minute I walked into the arrivals area of the airport, to the minute I left.

I was staying in the old quarter, and am the type of guy who likes to walk the streets to check a new city out. Here's what you get though:

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Just wasn't for me. As mentioned above, I found the street vendors / sellers to be very aggressive in Vietnam. They would literally follow me for blocks, while I was just trying to wander around, and check out the city. I don't know, I just found it very cramped, dirty, crowded, and didn't like it.

One night went out for a few drinks, and while walking back, stumbled into a group of guys hanging out at a local shop. Had a beer with them, and ended up smoking some weed, which I'm absolutely certain was laced with something. I was completely out of it, and even though I knew my hotel was probably only a few hundred meters away, there's no way I could find it. Old quarter of Hanoi isn't exactly a nicely structured city like downtown Vancouver.

Kept wandering around what seemed like forever, even walked past those guys several times, and the assholes just laughed at me. Finally stumbled into a motorcycle taxi driver, so showed him the hotel's business card. Sure enough, he realized I was fucked out of my mind, so took me on a 20 minute tour of the city, even though I know the hotel was right close. Slept it off for a few hours, and headed to the airport to Thailand.

I lived in Thailand for several years and you get that same feeling. In Thailand you are always a foreigner no matter how long you live there or how well you speak the language.

But you lived in the expat area of Bangkok. For a small example, if I'm walking to the market, loads of times I'll have strangers stop and ask if I want a lift. They don't want anything from me, and are just being good Buddhists. I don't see anyone in Canada stopping for strangers, and offering a ride / help.

OP, if anything I'd say skip Vietnam and check out Bali, Ubud or somewhere. It's beautiful out there, and the Hindus kick ass. Had a great time, met lots of great people, the scenery out in the rice fields is a green that I've never seen before, excellent food, and never once did I feel like I was being taken advantage of.
 
I lived in Bangkok for a year in 2011. I agree with your cost breakdown except for food, $1800 a month on food?

I lived near Paragon mall so going to the food court's like $1 a meal. There's always ChefsXP.com - NO mark-up food delivery. Also it's ok to grocery shop and cook a few meals a day at night. Even a private chef would only set you back like $300 a month for their labor. But yea I'm thinking the average guy will spend around $600 on food.

As far as savings you gotta consider no car payment, no insurance, and no gas.
BTS / taxi's around $50 a month. That can easily be $1k a month saved.

But yea you can live extremely well for $50k a year. Not everyone needs to hit the clubs every night. Seriously one night at RCA and I'm done for the week.

As far as how does Bangkok / Vietnam costs breakdown I'd say Vietnam's maybe 20% cheaper. My internet is LITERALLY $5 a month, and my cell phone with 3g connection is $5 a month as well. The government heavily subsidizes it.
 
Thai massage is best :) i would love to get relaxed in massage parlor after the whole day trip from different islands. Well don't you think that you will get the specific info about climate like? people, cost of living , girls, food etc about from Google?
 
Thai massage is best :) i would love to get relaxed in massage parlor after the whole day trip from different islands. Well don't you think that you will get the specific info about climate like? people, cost of living , girls, food etc about from Google?

LOL...go down to Ratchadapisek Road and ask for a "special" massage lol.
 
I lived in Bangkok for a year in 2011. I agree with your cost breakdown except for food, $1800 a month on food?

I lived near Paragon mall so going to the food court's like $1 a meal. There's always ChefsXP.com - NO mark-up food delivery. Also it's ok to grocery shop and cook a few meals a day at night. Even a private chef would only set you back like $300 a month for their labor. But yea I'm thinking the average guy will spend around $600 on food.

As far as savings you gotta consider no car payment, no insurance, and no gas.
BTS / taxi's around $50 a month. That can easily be $1k a month saved.

But yea you can live extremely well for $50k a year. Not everyone needs to hit the clubs every night. Seriously one night at RCA and I'm done for the week.

As far as how does Bangkok / Vietnam costs breakdown I'd say Vietnam's maybe 20% cheaper. My internet is LITERALLY $5 a month, and my cell phone with 3g connection is $5 a month as well. The government heavily subsidizes it.


I used ChefsXP all the time. But, what's a normal delivery going to run you? There's very little on the menus under 300 baht ($10 USD) that you would call a meal. I just pulled up the ChefsXP site (still have my account active, LOL) and I'm looking at Sunrise Tacos. Definitely not hi-so. Pretty much Mexican fast food, right?

The Build Your Own 3 Taco plate is 263 baht. Factor in a drink or anything with that and you're at 300 baht easy.

So, 300 baht x 3 meals a day is 27,000 a month (roughly $900). And like I said, my girlfriend was living with me so double those prices and you're at $1800.

Yes, you can cook your own food but I don't cook my own food back home. I'm the sort of person that can burn cereal. :D

And, yeah, I probably didn't spend a full 300 on every meal. But, throw in a really nice (i.e. Vertigo, Four Seasons, etc) dinner with wine once a week or every other week and it's not too far off.

And I used to live by Emporium as well. Soi 26 to be exact. Before that I lived over by Central World and the embassy district. Maybe we were neighbors :D

And as far as the other stuff, that doesn't make living in Thailand any cheaper. I could sell my car and live without one back home too. By that logic you could say that to live like a rock star in the US you should sell your car. That would free up a lot of cash that you could spend on partying.

I guess this topic is one of my pet peeves because I still have business interests in Thailand (and Asia, in general) and at least a few times a week in some Asia forum someone will ask, "Hey, can I live in Phuket on $500 a month?" or "Hey, I heard that you can live like a rock star on $2000 a month in Thailand."

And then you get this race to the bottom with some broke ass English teacher talking about how he lives like a king on $1,000 USD a month. Believe me, that guy isn't living like a rock star. He's the deadbeat who runs out on bills when you go out as a group (ooops, forget I had to meet someone, gotta go), spends 2 hours complaining because the go-go bars raised the price of beer 10 baht, and takes the free (un-air conditioned) buses for transportation.

Maybe for him, that's a rock star lifestyle.