What Do You Do When Your Kids Want To Kill You?

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Unless you "happened" across these by accident, there was a reason you were checking her phone.

My teen knows both her mother and I have anytime access to check her phone. It's part of the stipulations of having a phone. If she doesn't agree, she no longer has a phone.
 


This might be retarded suggestion, but send her to one of those wilderness survival camps for a month or two. One of those places where you're for the most part forced to live off the land. Go down to the river to fetch buckets of water, filter it, chop firewood, take care of the livestock, go horseback riding, etc.

Just make sure it's somewhere with breathtaking scenery, such as the mountains in Utah or something. Nature + physical labor can cleanse the soul in a way that nothing else can. If she's actually mentally ill though, then it's a different story.
 
Sending her to juvie/jail is risky because it could push her completely over the edge, make her hate her parents, and connect her with more psychotics.

It all depends on her reasoning. You have to be good at reading people to know if they're being overly dramatic, if they're slightly delusional and cocky, or if there really is a screw loose.

If they're being overly dramatic, as high school girls tend to be, airing out grievances should help.

If she's delusional and arrogant, you need to shock her system aka "scare her straight". Maybe make her realize she never wants to spend time in juvie/county jail again. Teach her respect, aka never talk about her family members that way again.

If she's really a little off, it's tougher because the entire mental health game has changed. They don't have asylums anymore, they just drug people up. I don't think she is, though. She's either on drugs/pharmaceuticals, was molested/assaulted early in life, or has some extremely skewed/warped view of her current family life.

It all depends on a frank confrontation/conversation and seeing if she's the type of person who can be reasoned with, or if she's a sociopath and will lie to you no matter what.

There are absolutely still long term mental institutions around, both private and public. And forced institutionalization is definitely something that also still exists.

She's either on drugs/pharmaceuticals, was molested/assaulted early in life, or has some extremely skewed/warped view of her current family life.

That's a massive leap of an assumption, there are a lot more reasons why she could possibly be acting this way. I agree that a serious conversation needs to be had but I think taking the medical route is much more appropriate, especially for a child/minor as she doesn't really have any means of getting help on her own and probably doesn't have enough life experience yet to even know what that help would be.
 
Once she finds out you've been reading her texts, she'll never trust you again. And it'll probably fuel whatever crazy she already had.
 
This might be retarded suggestion, but send her to one of those wilderness survival camps for a month or two. One of those places where you're for the most part forced to live off the land. Go down to the river to fetch buckets of water, filter it, chop firewood, take care of the livestock, go horseback riding, etc.

Just make sure it's somewhere with breathtaking scenery, such as the mountains in Utah or something. Nature + physical labor can cleanse the soul in a way that nothing else can. If she's actually mentally ill though, then it's a different story.

A lot of the kids in those places are seriously fucked up. My cousin got put in one, because he was smoking pot. The stories he told me were as bad a juvy.
 
Kids joke around sometimes. It may not be funny for you to hear it, but it might not be as serious as you think.

First of all, you just need to talk to her.

Following that, if there is a problem, I would explore ways to improve her well-being before getting a prescription and having her doped up.
 
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Unless you "happened" across these by accident, there was a reason you were checking her phone.

We looked into her phone today after we discovered she had a 2nd (secret) Facebook account and had used it to send a message to an unknown individual that read "Is it strange that murder makes me horny?"

At that point, we took her phone away while we tried to figure out what the fuck that message meant.

I couldn't make this shit up if I tried. It's beyond belief.
 
Kids joke around sometimes. It may not be funny for you to hear it, but it might not be as serious as you think.

First of all, you just need to talk to her.

Following that, if there is a problem, I would explore ways to improve her well-being before getting a prescription and having her doped up.

Could not have said it better myself. rep coming your way.
 
That will end well.
Works for me too, mate.

I bought the unit, I pay the bill, it's MY MOTHERFUCKING PHONE.

Get that? And my 16yo son has ZERO problem with that, because that's the way it's ALWAYS been- the rules are what they are, and they NEVER change.

@Ice: Sit her down and confront- if you don't like the answers and feel totally comfortable, then call the cops right then and there- do NOT fuck around with this one second, bro. And by all means, bring the BF and his parents in on it asap.
 
The mental health worker was concerned that this had progressed from "homicidal ideation" into "planning", so they recommended a further evaluation.

Everybody went to the hospital, and I'm home with her 8 year old sister...

...who is sleeping in the next room totally unaware that her big sister, who she adores more than anyone in the world has been thinking about killing her.
 
That will end well.

Well, that's the way it works here.

Phones, Facebook, etc.... it's all an open book for the parents (if we wish).

It's not like we go snooping around all the time looking through her stuff, but she is aware that we could, at anytime.

My wife and I were teenagers once, not too long ago. And we remember the things we did. With that in mind, no way is our daughter going to be given unsupervised access to a phone, facebook, etc... that is a recipe for disaster.

These things are privileges. Privileges come with rules and responsibilities.
 
I'd sleep with a gun under my pillow while she's around. You have to be looking out for your own well being as well as others around you.
 
Works for me too, mate.

I bought the unit, I pay the bill, it's MY MOTHERFUCKING PHONE.

Get that? And my 16yo son has ZERO problem with that, because that's the way it's ALWAYS been- the rules are what they are, and they NEVER change.

@Ice: Sit her down and confront- if you don't like the answers and feel totally comfortable, then call the cops right then and there- do NOT fuck around with this one second, bro. And by all means, bring the BF and his parents in on it asap.
Well, that's the way it works here.

Phones, Facebook, etc.... it's all an open book for the parents (if we wish).

It's not like we go snooping around all the time looking through her stuff, but she is aware that we could, at anytime.

My wife and I were teenagers once, not too long ago. And we remember the things we did. With that in mind, no way is our daughter going to be given unsupervised access to a phone, facebook, etc... that is a recipe for disaster.

These things are privileges. Privileges come with rules and responsibilities.
Until, of course, they realise the fact that with their phone being monitored, it makes more sense for them to use other means of communication for doing anything they shouldn't. Doesn't stop a thing, just makes them hides things from you more, creates a barrier between you and them, and helps harbour (admittedly from that move only, mild) feelings of resentment.
 
The only suggestion that make any sense is Dchucks. This is not your normal teenager stuff. Any normal teenager may hate their normal parents for whatever reasons but its usually temporary and they understand enough that they'll be on the street without them.

"fantasizing about murdering her mother, her younger sister, and myself in a variety of highly detailed scenarios" and that "it makes her horny" is not normal by any standard. How are you going to confront her when she doesnot think logically? If shes decided to hate you she will hate you no matter what you say/do.

You definitely needs professional helps and not all drugs are bad.
 
Until, of course, they realise the fact that with their phone being monitored, it makes more sense for them to use other means of communication for doing anything they shouldn't. Doesn't stop a thing, just makes them hides things from you more, creates a barrier between you and them, and helps harbour (admittedly from that move only, mild) feelings of resentment.

We haven't made a practice of reading her texts, or FB messages or anything of the sort. We take her phone away, and use it as a carrot/stick, but that's the extent of it.

I suppose she'll have to be creative now if she wants to communicate secretly with people and plot murders, because she's not going to own a cell phone or use a computer again while she lives in my house.
 
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