PUA is about to be banned from Canada and the UK

acidie said:
I don't care if a person sleeps with a 1000's women. I know people who do, personally never understood why, but they enjoy it so more power to them.

Some people don't understand why I smoke so much. I enjoy it, so be it.

If you enjoy doing what ever it is your doing, ok.

But if you derive self worth from it, then maybe it should be based on something other then what people think about you.
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I'm trying to figure out what drives Pua culture too because it seems to be more of a grey area of individual drive than a simple acceptance issue, but yeah if you feel like smoking then absolutely go for it - nobody has the right to feel superior over your choice to do so just because they choose to go in the opposite direction.

I don't agree with gimpspack saying it's a deep rooted need for female approval, we're all fundamentally conditioned to seek approval from our environment including family, close friends, etc. so it's up to you to either choose to conform to their beliefs by altering your actions or say fuck it and do what you feel like then deal with the consequences that come up as a result. there is no black and white
 


This guy is a douche and violating local cultural norms, not even being aware of why gets away with frankly criminal behavior. He only makes it worse for everyone else. Stay in the west for these culturally insensitive puas.

Other than that the feminists can go fuck themselves, but RSD brought this rage on themselves by not going on full counter attack when they were first mentioned. Silence or apology DOES NOT WORK against public shaming by the feminist establishment. They do not care, they just smell blood.
 
kumansk said:
I'm trying to figure out what drives Pua culture too because it seems to be more of a grey area of individual drive than a simple acceptance issue, but yeah if you feel like smoking then absolutely go for it - nobody has the right to feel superior over your choice to do so just because they choose to go in the opposite direction.

I don't agree with gimpspack saying it's a deep rooted need for female approval, we're all fundamentally conditioned to seek approval from our environment including family, close friends, etc. so it's up to you to either choose to conform to their beliefs by altering your actions or say fuck it and do what you feel like then deal with the consequences that come up as a result. there is no black and white
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Obviously most humans seek approval from family, friends, lovers, etc. at times. That's natural.

I'm saying that dudes who get really into this shit have a disproportionate need for female validation.

Read some of the bios of these PUA gurus. Many (most) were traumatized by chronic rejection. Now they're making up for it.

It goes deep bro.

Not saying every guy who reads a book or attends a free seminar has some psychotic need for female approval. But a lot (most) PUA enthusiasts thrive on female validation to an unhealthy extent.

It's like they have an eternally leaky tank (self-esteem), and fucking chicks is the only way they can temporarily fill it.

For a lot of these guys, sex isn't about connection or even the euphoric sexual experience - it's about pure ego gratification and validation.
 
GimpSpack said:
Obviously most humans seek approval from family, friends, lovers, etc. at times. That's natural.

I'm saying that dudes who get really into this shit have a disproportionate need for female validation.

Read some of the bios of these PUA gurus. Many (most) were traumatized by chronic rejection. Now they're making up for it.

It goes deep bro.

Not saying every guy who reads a book or attends a free seminar has some psychotic need for female approval. But a lot (most) PUA enthusiasts thrive on female validation to an unhealthy extent.

It's like they have an eternally leaky tank (self-esteem), and fucking chicks is the only way they can temporarily fill it.

For a lot of these guys, sex isn't about connection or even the euphoric sexual experience - it's about pure ego gratification and validation.
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Sure, some. But you could make the same argument about people who chase money their whole life and make it their primary objective. it's kinda hard to imagine someone fucking a hundred women after being rejected his whole life being like "one moooore I need this or I'll fucking kill myself".
 
kumansk said:
I'm trying to figure out what drives Pua culture too because it seems to be more of a grey area of individual drive than a simple acceptance issue, but yeah if you feel like smoking then absolutely go for it - nobody has the right to feel superior over your choice to do so just because they choose to go in the opposite direction.

I don't agree with gimpspack saying it's a deep rooted need for female approval, we're all fundamentally conditioned to seek approval from our environment including family, close friends, etc. so it's up to you to either choose to conform to their beliefs by altering your actions or say fuck it and do what you feel like then deal with the consequences that come up as a result. there is no black and white
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A common theme is probably some sense of inferiority or lack of self worth. Think you're right though, the drive will differ depending on an individuals specific issues or shortcomings.

I know a couple of people who are young, good looking and successful who are quite into the PUA/NLP stuff, and what drives them is "let's bed as many women as we can" as opposed to "tfw no gf."

Personally I think that's a healthier approach towards this stuff anyway. OK, you could argue that they are over compensating or damaged in some ways, but at least they are socially adjusted enough to actually recognise the way it removes the human element, objectifying women as marks that can be manipulated etc. Teaching this shit to people like Elliot Rodgers is only going to twist their perspective further in my opinion, not help them.
 
ActionJackson83 said:
Goddammit Sir Konstantine!!!!
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Three things:

1. Game is primarily about getting out of the mindset of having everything you do center around getting female approval.

2. The PUA is only one part of game, and a lot of people mistakenly believe they are mutually inclusive.

3. Elliot Rodger was extremely anti-PUA and anti-game. In his case, game very likely could have saved him from doing what he did.

As an aside, having this happen to him is excellent for his bottom line.
 
potentialeight said:
Three things:

1. Game is primarily about getting out of the mindset of having everything you do center around getting female approval.

2. The PUA is only one part of game, and a lot of people mistakenly believe they are mutually inclusive.

3. Elliot Rodger was extremely anti-PUA and anti-game. In his case, game very likely could have saved him from doing what he did.

As an aside, having this happen to him is excellent for his bottom line.
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Thanks. I'm watching the free tour channel, this stuff is amazing.
 
kumansk said:
Thanks. I'm watching the free tour channel, this stuff is amazing.
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if you honestly dont know anything about that and secretly harbor girly issues, ill talk you through on skype for free before you get infected by the plague.
 
I'll get off of my soapbox in a moment. Before I do, I want to point out how this situation with PUA stuff and game as a whole ties into a lot of the hot issues that keep coming up on WickedFire including public school sucking ass, kids being pumped full of pills for not sitting still, the courts being fucked up and the elite keeping control over the general population in the style of "The Century of Self."

Point #1: If you look at the United States as an example, men are now in a situation where they are systematically raised to be feminized. Here are two drastically different examples showing how this is incentivized in drastically different ways.

  • Consider hip-hop culture with the recent push towards skinny jeans and the push now towards people like Kanye thinking it's cool to wear skirts. I mean real ass real-live skirts. They make more money doing this because it makes them more appealing to white people since people tend to be scared of the image of a strong, black male. As a result, younger fans think that being feminized is cool. Cliffs: Teaching young boys that being feminized is cool is incentivized.

  • Consider that public schools are almost entirely ran by women, and the rules that are created and enforced are almost entirely based on the strengths and preferences of girls. Boys are diagnosed as ADHD three times as often as girls (source) because the natural ways that even well-disciplined boys behave and learn do not fit into the girls club that public school has become. "Take your pill and be quiet." As a result, boys are taught from a young age that there is something inherently wrong with them and that they have to become feminized in terms of behavior if they want to avoid getting into trouble and being labeled bad. Cliffs: Teaching young boys that being feminized is cool is incentivized.
Point #2: You have tons of boys pumped up on pills with no direction and few good, masculine role models. Their natural desire to try to dominate their professional and personal lives has been sapped from them, and now they have to search for alternative methods to build self-worth.

  • Video games allow for a young man to build a sense of self-worth and achievement. The majority of the indicators for video game addiction center around the building of this self-worth and a sense of belonging to a group (source). Unfortunately, there is almost never a productive element to this in real life, but that's built in because a major part of video game addiction is escaping real life in the first place. Note that boys become addicted to video games at as much as 10x the rate as girls. Cliffs: The world is overly hostile towards young males in insidious ways that are almost impossible to avoid, so they escape through video games.

  • Thanks to divorce courts that almost always side with the mother for primary custody and alimony regardless of the circumstances, an overwhelming number of boys grow up without stable father figures. Many of the ones who have parents that haven't divorced have fathers who were also feminized along the same lines. These boys proceed to have a massive number of problems in life including increased chances of becoming an alcoholic, increased chances of suicide, increased chances of not having a stable sexual identity, and more. (source) Cliffs: The lack of strong male role models is fucking up the lives of these boys.
Point #3: Game is a way to provide boys and men with a means to gain control over their lives after they have been put through the government-mandated shitshow that's tried to strip them of their masculine identity in the ways listed above. Note that it encompasses a lot of different things, not just picking up women.

  • Frame is the most important concept in game. Having a strong frame means that you're doing something from a position of strength, and having a weak frame means that you're doing something from a position of weakness. It's often the case that a particular action can be right or wrong based entirely on what kind of frame you have.

  • Game is primarily about self-reliance, gaining self-esteem through healthy channels and avoiding the need to supplicate primarily to women but to anyone as a whole. Men have a natural need to try to excel (ie: dominate in their personal and professional lives), and game teaches men that it's okay to do this as long as you go about it from a strong frame.

  • The PUA aspect of game is one approach to handling your interactions with women, but it is not the only approach that falls under game. There is plenty of material and discussion of relationship-minded approaches to handling women, and two good examples would be Ian and Athol. The PUA side of things gets the most attention because it's the most polarizing.
I'll finish with this: If I was the elite and I wanted to minimize the chances that men as a whole were able to challenge my power or the power of my successors, then I would systematically feminize them and systematically shame them for wanting to be masculine.


*gets off soapbox*
 
Can some one explain what's he's trying to accomplish by pushing women's heads in to his crotch, in terms of PUA?

Is like when you hold chickens upside down and they stop moving?

You push a woman's head down and she automatically sucks your cock?

Is there actually a point to what he's doing besides marketing?
 
acidie said:
Can some one explain what's he's trying to accomplish by pushing women's heads in to his crotch, in terms of PUA?

Is like when you hold chickens upside down and they stop moving?

You push a woman's head down and she automatically sucks your cock?

Is there actually a point to what he's doing besides marketing?
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My opinion is that it's just marketing. For women, it gets attention and they want to flip out and share it and give it more media coverage. For men who suck with women, they think, "Damn if that guy can do that to women, then surely he can teach me how to stop being so awkward when I'm just talking to them."

With that having been said, the kind of thing that's getting the most attention (pushing head towards crotch, choking, etc.) will work out well in the right situations when you have the right read on the girl and the social dynamic even when you're first meeting her. The problem is that, even inside the pure PUA framework, it's not a good option because it carries a much higher risk without a higher chance of getting the lay.

If you're asking about the goal of the choking, pushing her head, etc. in terms of the PUA framework, then I can only provide an educated guess. A large part of attracting women in a short period of time is about the goal of establishing a simple dynamic where you have a higher social value than she does because you are leading effectively and that makes her want to follow. The more bold you are with it, the more successful you are with it as long as you maintain a strong frame. Being bold backfires in a major way if it's done from a position of weakness.
 
potentialeight said:
  • Consider hip-hop culture with the recent push towards skinny jeans and the push now towards people like Kanye thinking it's cool to wear skirts. I mean real ass real-live skirts. They make more money doing this because it makes them more appealing to white people since people tend to be scared of the image of a strong, black male. As a result, younger fans think that being feminized is cool. Cliffs: Teaching young boys that being feminized is cool is incentivized.
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Thats no big deal really, the only dudes you'll see wearing skirts are black hipsters. and that's kind of rare in itself. fucking kanye is so confident he has a reputation for arrogance, didn't you hear yeezus?

You say more boys are addicted to video games and pills, but their female counterparts just replaced cigarettes with smartphones and blog stupid cat pics on tumblr all day. they're even more of a wreck. I'm not saying this as an oldtimer from the scarface decades, I just got out of high school last year.

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I'm definitely trying this technique next time I'm out clubbin'. What could possibly go wrong?

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kumansk said:
Thats no big deal really, the only dudes you'll see wearing skirts are black hipsters. and that's kind of rare in itself. fucking kanye is so confident he has a reputation for arrogance, didn't you hear yeezus?

You say more boys are addicted to video games and pills, but their female counterparts just replaced cigarettes with smartphones and blog stupid cat pics on tumblr all day. they're even more of a wreck. I'm not saying this as an oldtimer from the scarface decades, I just got out of high school last year.

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That's what they said about black guys wearing skinny jeans until it became a prevalent trend. What's going to come after skirts? Garter belts, stockings and high heels? That's the direction it's heading in.

What the females are doing on Facebook is irrelevant to the systematic destruction of the masculine male.
 
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