Fox News Lies Again...
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More than agreed ... I don't see that happening though since 78% of the US is christian. It's just a voting line that politicians have to walk.
Agreed ... you 2 are more on the same page about this than you're seeing FU
I wasn't trying to post the worst.... It just a "loose transcript" of the entire thread.
I'm getting blamed for trying to impose my atheism (by you, in a PM) on people.
I'm simply noting the fact that they all wanted to engage in debate.
I've done an occasional atheist drive-by outside of this thread -> (Atheist Music). But as you say "We shit everywhere but we do it intelligently without angst."
So what's wrong with that?
That's fine, I'll buy that they're all facts and statements and I never said they were bashings.
We all have opinions about everything, yes, that's true. I'm an atheist they came into the thread and wanted to argue theism. (Perfectly, fine.)
We are both trying to argue our sides.... (That's how it's done)
Them theists vs. me/us atheists. (That's fine.)
All I'm simply stating is that it was debate. (We are suppose to try and impose our beliefs on the other side)
It was consensual. ( But I get a PM saying to stop imposing atheism on people. )
I'm not sure what post exactly or thread exactly you were referring to, but everyone is trying to impose a million things on each other in here.
So why pick out atheism and PM me to say stop it?
And again... you say "We shit everywhere but we do it intelligently without angst." So what's the problem?
" Christians (around here) aren't the type to force feed you their religion."
No.... but they OBVIOUSLY want to debate it. Look at all the argumentative posts made.
And other religious/political messages (closely linked) are strewn through WF, just as my atheist messages are.
I made a thread about "atheist music" that's it.
The theists (Christians in this case) were extremely eager to jump in and challenge my beliefs... That's fine.
I made a mistake by saying I want some "religious bashing" music. But other than that...
Got it now.
I'm just saying they stepped "through the door" into the thread. You can't say I'm imposing my atheism on them when they are actively engaged, on their own, with the debate. I was never seriously concerned about threadjacking, either.
How am I imposing my beliefs any different than everyone else is imposing theirs? Except that mine are atheist beliefs.....
All I'm saying is that this quote is obviously not the case... When he made innumerable posts in that thread.
He clearly wants to challenge atheism. Just as I want to challenge religion.
I think everyone needs to just go over to this thread:
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/74843-bump-when-high.html
That is all...
http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/74843-bump-when-high.html
That is all...
Maybe, you thought this one was offensive....erect?
It's definitely not slander....
PM me the specific posts you have a problem with. (Then maybe I'll tone down those types of posts)
I've repeated it multiple times throughout this thread and via PM, apparently you can't seem to comprehend what I'm saying. There's a difference between bashing & debating.
Don't twist my words around to make it seem like my virgin ears can't handle the atheist argument. Impose & rationally debate all you want, I wouldn't have it any other way. To be fair, I did get sidetracked on a few of my replies which might have made you miss my point. I withdraw those arguments.
Bashing, however, is akin to racism, and Brar has recently threatened to pull a rule out of his ass over that one. In that thread, if zeros had previously said ... "Indians are uneducated idiots, does anyone have any militant Indian bashing music for me to vent to?". How do you think that would have gone over? His ass would have been banned and I would have backed Brar 100% on that decision.
I'll leave you with my original statement. Perhaps it will sink in this time.
:steps back out of corner:
Last night, I was sleep deprived.... I took offense to this last night, but now I can think clearly.
You can't compare (belief or religion) bashing to racism.
Here's why:
You can choose to change your beliefs, however someone can't choose their race.
If that's not enough.
All races are equal while all beliefs aren't.
Someone could believe that flowing through electrical wires are little green men so small that we can't see them each carrying a little bucket of "power juice" to their destination. This belief would be ridiculed quickly. This wouldn't be considered offensive. It also can't be proven wrong since the person believes we can't see them. It would be good to point out the ridiculousness of this statement to the person (we want them to be an electrical engineer), their beliefs are false.
All of this scales right up to religion (where it gets offensive).
I can bash other religions (but I'll stop) because one belief can be proven superior to others. Theists will get mad as hell at the statement I just made, however they have no problem looking at the "inferiority" of Islam (or any other religion that they don't believe in). So even they know that all beliefs aren't equal.
There are a million different people all believing their "little green men" theories.
Some beliefs need bashing! It's good for mankind. I want the "little green man believer" from above to be an electrical engineer so he can make cool shit for mankind.
I want theists to step down from their pedestals, walk into reality, and free themselves from the burden of their belief system (they even admit to struggling about their beliefs).
An atheist doesn't really struggle with his or hers belief too much. (we may quibble about minor semantics) Atheists want to free others from their "belief burden".
I think it's a noble thing. (Even though I'm not always noble about it.)
We get accused of having no morals and being completely intolerant. Now, I'm being equated to a racist. It doesn't hold water.
I want to free minds. (although I'm not successful at it.)
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And I still think that theists are "entering the arena" under their own volition every time they argue with me.
I never post to a random person and ask, "what do you believe"? (although, I may post "offensive" atheist material, just as they could post "offensive" Christian material) They usually come at me with the attacks. (which I was trying to show with my ridiculous posts above) I'm not posting to anyone that hasn't somehow given me permission to engage.
The debates are intense and it gets offensive for people once we reach a point and I sometimes don't see where that line is. It's only offensive, however, because we're talking about beliefs. If they were intellectually honest with themselves they could change that belief.
Someone can't change their race. So please don't equate me to a racist. It may approach intolerance similar to racism. But some beliefs are intolerable. No race is intolerable and all races are equal. Some beliefs are intolerable and all beliefs aren't equal. See the difference.
So... it may be "akin to racism", but it sure as shit isn't racism.
In fact, if I'm being honest about my beliefs (you don't have to believe it). I think atheism is downright noble.
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This said, I do realize that in the current society we live it's offensive just to be an atheist. So I'll try to tone down my rhetoric. For the sake of everyone.
HUGE LULZ ChrisS
I'm all out of +Rep right now
Somebody please +Rep this Pedo NOW!
I'm all out of +Rep right now
Somebody please +Rep this Pedo NOW!
Yesss Everyone, Let the hate flow through youuuu Yessssss
Took you long enough, was starting to get concerned you pussed out.
I can compare it & did not say it was equal to it. What is similar is the hatred, bigotry & prejudice that goes along with it.
Liberals are extremely misguided, but do I hate them? Is there a need to find liberal bashing, militant conservative music to make me feel more secure in my beliefs? Of course not to both.
Beliefs are part of a person just as much as their skin color. Hatred towards either is just another form of intolerance. The only difference is that you physically can't change that part about you ... or can you?
Same with the belief that the earth was flat but those bashers sure looked like fools too.
The only way you can prove that you are right and religious people are wrong is to prove that life was spontaneously generated .. you can't do that. So what we have here is blind hatred.
They don't "know" that. They falsely assume that and look like total idiots for doing so. However, there will be a point where somebody's beliefs can be proven ... we're nowhere close to that.
I was taught that Jews & other religions were wrong and were inferior ... they even went as far as bashing other sects of Christianity. Did I mention that those are the bible thumpers I hated most in life? It's 100% due to their intolerance and desire to shove their beliefs down other people's throats (sound familiar?). Even though I used the word "hate", you still don't see me going around taking cheap shots daily. In fact, I'm pretty sure this is the 1st thread I've ever brought it up here.
I've been rejecting their ideology since I was about 8 years old so much so that I rejected religion in general due to all the bigotry and hypocrisy I've seen. Never lost faith in intelligent design though.
I think the word you're looking for is "challenging"
Now you are the misguided one. Just because you have issues with theology doesn't mean that everyone else is struggling and won't admit it. Catholics are the only ones burdened by their religion, but they get to get it off their chest weekly in confession.
Correct, you guys love imposing. When you do it intelligently it's called debating and is welcomed, otherwise it's called bashing and intolerance.
100% agreed
I don't think you'll find that around here. There are enough 500 post threads where nobody gets reduced to tears to speak otherwise.
Exactly what I meant.
Everyone feels that way about their beliefs, you're not special.
The reason you two are even having this discussion is the same thing I've been saying all along; atheism is nothing more than religion bashing. It isn't a positive belief; it's a negative belief. It doesn't believe anything; it disbelieves something. It doesn't add anything; it takes away from something else.
This is why I call it a parasitical ideology; without religion, atheism wouldn't exist because they basically don't do anything but talk about how bad religion is and how they're wrong and blah blah blah.
This is why you can't separate the two; they're one and the same. I don't particularly care, but nobody can pretend to be surprised when atheists end up bashing religion. It's basically all they do. I find it rather boring, actually.
This is why I call it a parasitical ideology; without religion, atheism wouldn't exist because they basically don't do anything but talk about how bad religion is and how they're wrong and blah blah blah.
This is why you can't separate the two; they're one and the same. I don't particularly care, but nobody can pretend to be surprised when atheists end up bashing religion. It's basically all they do. I find it rather boring, actually.
Your an internet idiot so I dont have nothing to prove to you. It was part of the training I recieved in the military. If you had some kind of knowledge, outside of the shit your professors gave to you in college, you would understand.
Have you ever seen a friend die a horrible death right in front of your eyes?, have you experienced your child being born right in front you? Do you pay more in taxes than most people earn a year? Do you give more to charities than some make in a year? Have you killed a man? Have you ran a real business and put Americans to work? Are you responsible for raising a decent human being?
I thought so. I once was a ignorant liberal like yourself. Then I experienced life outside of the class room. The theorys my profs pounded in my head, turned out to be a bunched of theorys and thats all. They really didnt apply to the real world. Come back and preach to me when you really have lived a life.
Agreed. I need to tone down the rhetoric. My biggest mistake was posting this comment below. Which severely crippled my position.
I was really in the mood (due to things in my life) to listen to some music that supported my beliefs. (not because I was needing validation, however, just FTR.)
I know this wasn't the correct way to ask for that music as evidenced by the type of music that others posted after I made this comment. (satanist, death metal, etc.) It wasn't the right way to ask period.
You may not need to, but I'm sure you would find those songs enjoyable. :338: But, I get your point... There's no need to go seeking out this music. Unless, all of a sudden you thought the liberal world was collapsing on top of you and you needed an escape. (which is all I wanted, not validation or security, but an escape.)
Beliefs are part of a person just as much as their skin color. Hatred towards either is just another form of intolerance. The only difference is that you physically can't change that part about you ... or can you?
Well... this is funny. I'll admit. But you know this isn't actually changing one's race. (and I know you already knew that and are just making a joke)
However, when you say, "beliefs are part of a person just as much as their skin color." That's is true insofar as they are personal things. However, the fact still remains, beliefs can be changed and race can't. Skin color can be changed, but that doesn't change one's race.
Hatred toward either race or beliefs is intolerance, agreed. Which is why I cringe over the fact that I posted I wanted "religion bashing" music. I want that thread to die and bury itself.
The flat earth bashers turned out to be correct.
(doesn't matter, I know) They were before their time and weren't tolerated. Yes, but we can prove that we have no evidence either for the lack of god nor for the presence of god.
We can point out that it's senseless to believe in something you have no evidence for.
There isn't any proof for the lack of god either, I know.
So, maybe one shouldn't be an atheist? What are my other options then? I could choose to believe in a god, but still there is no evidence... I could choose to be a deist and just accept that there may be a god, but doesn't care about us... but still there's no reason to become a deist due to lack of evidence.
So the final position one must take is ultimately, agnosticism. Since one can neither prove or disprove a god. The final position of an intellectually honest person must be agnosticism. The final position isn't theism.
In short, it's isn't blind hatred when you know that the claims one's battling have no evidence. (I'll even go so far as to speculate that they will never have evidence either but that's pure conjecture.)
Furthermore, just because they can't be proven doesn't mean they're wrong......but that's just silly. There are an infinite number of things that one could conceive and then provide no evidence for. Another way to put this statement is, just because they can't be proven doesn't mean that they're right.
Agreed, I was trying to prevent a theist backlash after I made the statement that one belief could be superior to others. They would have pointed to me and called me a bigot. Just pointing out that even theists themselves can make judgement calls regarding other religions just as the atheist can.
Well, you said hated as in past tense. I'm guessing your passions about the issue aren't as strong now. At that time when your passions were the highest you may have let a cheap shot or two slip by (maybe not). My passions are high hence I let cheap shots slip by. I'm trying to tone down the rhetoric, however. But, at least we both admit that we're humans.
Yes, I must remove bashing from my vocabulary. (serious comment)
Not every religious person has struggles with their belief. However, it's a common theme I get from theistic anecdotes. Enough so that it's the impression I'm under. It may not and probably isn't true. So I digress.
I'll try to stick to the intelligent debate. Again, starting a little bit ago, I'm toning down my rhetoric.
They may not be reduced to tears, but, nevertheless they're offended. (This may be why you sent me that PM in the first place.)
So we agree that racism isn't equitable to atheism. (this is more a FTR thing. I know this wasn't your original position) I still get your point that insofar as the prejudice, bigotry, etc. that it is similar to racism.
Again, I'll tone it down.
No.... that means that all of us are special.
Back on topic:
The fact that we can't tell if Fox was intentionally doing this to be misleading or if it was merely a mistake clearly points out that Fox is known for being misleading.
Otherwise, we would have clearly known this is a mistake. But, it isn't clear is it?
The fact that we can't tell if Fox was intentionally doing this to be misleading or if it was merely a mistake clearly points out that Fox is known for being misleading.
Otherwise, we would have clearly known this is a mistake. But, it isn't clear is it?
UnripeArbiter - honestly, I don't have time to read all your posts, how is it you find time to write all that shit?
Go back to makin' some money
Go back to makin' some money