Assange Is Fucked

[phillian]

State-sanctioned history is written by the victors (the state). Revisionist history plays an important role is clarifying the state's "mistakes."

To your point, the public's perception of Assange in 100 years can go in a lot of directions. Propaganda driven through state-sanctioned history will have a huge influence.

A good example is found in the way we perceive Lincoln. Some feel he was a friend to blacks. Others consider him a tyrant. Countless other historical figures offer similar examples. I'm guessing the same will be true of our perception of Assange.

When it comes to public perception, it's anybody's ballgame. An emotional public can be easily swayed by propaganda.

Not to go off-topic, but I'd argue that propaganda alone can't remake the image of a historical figure. There is a great big difference between the way Christopher Columbus looks in the history of the United States taught in the classrooms (and thus, to the mass of Americans) vs. Howard Zinn's portrayal of him in "A People's History of the United States".

Perception is dictated by the narrator and the volume of people who believe him and this disproportionately favors the "victor". It takes mass.

 

[vesper]

I guess you guys don't know that his attorney is someone who works for the elites which means that he won't get arrested. They might show you in the media that he's behind bars but it's all to make you think that they catch the bad guy. Just like watching movies that looks so real. These guys are Devils at Mind Control. They hypnotize you so you can believe in the illusion. Very clever!

I totally agree, this is strictly theater, in a matter of a few days this story has caught on like wildfire, Its on every major media outlet in the world the attention alone is suspect.

 

[subigo]

Then why has nothing like this ever happened before Wikileaks?

Because nobody gave a fuck. Wikileaks has been around for 4 years and people just now cared enough to make it the topic of the day.

ps - And things like this have happened in the past, but documents were normally leaked straight to a news organization.

 

[reggid]

Not to go off-topic, but I'd argue that propaganda alone can't remake the image of a historical figure. There is a great big difference between the way Christopher Columbus looks in the history of the United States taught in the classrooms (and thus, to the mass of Americans) vs. Howard Zinn's portrayal of him in "A People's History of the United States".

Perception is dictated by the narrator and the volume of people who believe him and this disproportionately favors the "victor". It takes mass.

Exactly!

I totally agree, this is strictly theater, in a matter of a few days this story has caught on like wildfire, Its on every major media outlet in the world the attention alone is suspect.

Yup! You should read this thread also. Wikileaks diplomatic cables

 

[nvanprooyen]

Not working on my end either. What's really astonishing about that is that Wikileaks moved to the Amazon cloud yesterday after being DDoSed repeatedly all weekend.

And it continues: Amazon stops hosting WikiLeaks site: Senator Lieberman - Yahoo! News

 

[MadMaxNine]

Lieberman: "I call on any other company or organization that is hosting WikiLeaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them"

The site's hosted at pionen white mountain (bahnhof) out of Sweden so good luck with that. The domain registrar is dynadot out of San Mateo though, which could easily turn over the registrar account under some patriot act clause. It's all kinda weird.

 

[Drake]

Everyone and this thread title says Assange is Fucked etc. But if he is not in the USA. Not a USA citizen. And is not planning to go there what exactly can they charge him with?

Like what exact law?

There are jurisdiction laws for a reason. No one can follow all the laws of all the countries, without being there and without considering them.

I think people are just so getting used to USA being a tyranny that they forget there should be a law to charge him with if they are going to do it legal style. And not Guantannomo/Mafia style.

Dynadot is tough, I think that is who is registaring RipoffReport.

 

[phillian]

Everyone and this thread title says Assange is Fucked etc. But if he is not in the USA. Not a USA citizen. And is not planning to go there what exactly can they charge him with?

Like what exact law?

There are jurisdiction laws for a reason. No one can follow all the laws of all the countries, without being there and without considering them.

I think people are just so getting used to USA being a tyranny that they forget there should be a law to charge him with if they are going to do it legal style. And not Guantannomo/Mafia style.

Dynadot is tough, I think that is who is registaring RipoffReport.

He's on the lam from Interpol now, so clearly someone thinks he is in violation of international law.

But even if he wasn't, there are parallels to this story:
Swiss say Austrian tax evasion whistleblower killed himself - General News - Austrian Times Online News - English Newspaper

(Thanks to tobsn who brought it to my attention).

 

[andrewHB]

He is either going to be hanging out with Osama bin Laden and hiding or will be found dead by "natural causes". You know that every Black Ops / CIA / Interpol Agency have their guys looking to find this guy and take him out.

 

[Drake]

That Swiss was clearly violating Swiss banking laws, accepted money for it, and wears dreds.

All clearly breaking the law.

And that Interpol "red notice" is dogshit. Like really who cant score with Swedish chicks when you are a jetsetting, semi-celebrity?

I think one of the big mistakes Assange has repeatedly done is give people warning. Just spill your guts and dont let them think there is some advantage to killing you or taking your site down.

 

[JakeStratham]

Everyone and this thread title says Assange is Fucked etc. But if he is not in the USA. Not a USA citizen. And is not planning to go there what exactly can they charge him with?

Like what exact law?

There are jurisdiction laws for a reason. No one can follow all the laws of all the countries, without being there and without considering them.

While it's true Assange is not a U.S. citizen, the U.S.'s influence is strong. As long as our dollar still has reserve currency status, we can apply a lot of pressure on other countries' leaders.

To your point about which law Assange has violated, I dunno. Keep in mind the rule of law doesn't work like most people think. Folks think laws are objective. That belief is a myth.

When (if) we get our hands on him, we'll create/interpret whatever law we need to "deal" with him.

 

[unrealalex]

Some of you guys read too many Tom Clancy books.

 

[BackBanana]

assange had pissed off enough gov's/agencies prior to this, with previous releases. He's no more fucked than before.

 

[tobsn]

While it's true Assange is not a U.S. citizen, the U.S.'s influence is strong. As long as our dollar still has reserve currency status, we can apply a lot of pressure on other countries' leaders.

lol? like when the US needed money from the IMF and they told them to fix their shitty situations with their own money or when they right after getting denied asked around europe and just a couple gave them some money? there is no pressure anymore.
esp. not after losing your face internationally because of those wikileaks documents. the only country who backs up america so far is australia but i guess thats just because there is just not much in the cables that would hurt the relationship. so far...

about that he's not an US citizen... it's an interpol arrest warrant. doesn't matter much where he hides. look it up on wiki. almost every country is a member state of the interpol and if not, the police cooperates with them. esp. in rape cases.

he will end up like tron or the swiss tax fraud whistleblower (both hung "themself")...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tron_(hacker)
Man linked to stolen bank data found dead in Swiss prison | Reuters


assange is completely fucked and there is no way out of this. he will disappear at some point. a car crash, heart attack, hangs himself... who knows.

 

[barman]

in addition who gives a shit about Interpol when the US is after you.

it's like being scared when mall cops come after you while you're already being chased by the police

 

[tobsn]

in addition who gives a shit about Interpol when the US is after you.

it's like being scared when mall cops come after you while you're already being chased by the police

lol. well, i would be more afraid of the interpol because thats what they do. finding people international.

 

[JakeStratham]

How I feel about this thread:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU"]YouTube - Just when I thought I was out...they pull me back in.[/ame]


At tobsn:

It seems we disagree about the advantages of enjoying currency reserve status. I am okay with that.

 

[glennfriesen]

Um, no

Well... he DID rape those two innocent swedish girls afterall!

Dude, it's an obvious smear campaign designed to divert attention from the matter at hand (the illegal activities of the U.S. documented in the content of the leaked documents).

That Swedish girls were raped is very suspect, considering that their courts first dismissed the charge (and only brought it back up again after considerable efforts from the U.S. to come up with a reason to motivate Interpol into action). Not to mention, that these women were allegedly raped around a time in Assange's life when he would have been particularly careful -- actually he seemed particularly paranoid in conferences at the time the rapes allegedly occured that the United States goverment was doing everything in their power to kill, hurt or embarrass him. I recommend you watch his interview from the most recent Geneva convention.

 

[gdubs12345]

that guy is a pompus little bitch, he's really lucky to still be alive.

It's one thing for him to f with the U.S., but he's also causing problems for Isreal, Saudia Arabia, China, Russia, etc. A few of those country's would much rather execute, than bother with a trial, like i hope we would.

 

[advive]

You call the guy who has balls to piss off half the world "little bitch"???
You may or may not agree with what he's doing but he's got balls!!!