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[Jameel]

What's wrong with meat?

Also, anyone read about ideal diets specific to blood type? Blood types are a major superstition in Japan. But there may be something to the diet part of it. I'm A+ and apparently this is from the genetic lineage of modern humans (more advanced on the evolutionary scale) after the discovery of agriculture = grain and crop based diet is recommended for this blood type. Goes against all the paleo diet wisdom.

Also I started making soups with fresh veggies. Boil the ones that need to be softened then puree them in a processor/blender. That's basically all there is to it, tastes pretty good. Today I made a soup of: 6 tomatoes, 1 zuchini, 1 carrot, 1 eggplant, 1 potato, peppers, garlic, one chicken breast = pureed everything and boiled it again, added some salt and oats- tasted fucking fine.

It said "we need meat for our protein or we'll die" wasn't true and eating meat and dairy does more harm than good.

Forks Over Knives | The Official Movie Website

Also says you don't have to be a bitch ass skinny hippy vegan the UFC guy they showed didn't eat meat.

UFC Fighter Mac Danzig's Vegan Diet | Mahler's Aggressive Strength

If we can get protein from veggies / hemp protein, and iron from veggies why do we need meat?

List Of Iron-rich Foods For Vegetarians | LIVESTRONG.COM

It's 4 am and I'm too tired to find anything that says we need meat besides blogs and Yahoo Answers

I'm really confused because on the Ted Talk a few posts back she says she eats meat but avoid dairy

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/139834-buy-juicer-4.html#post1586769

fuck me

 

[EricVonDoobie]

It said "we need meat for our protein or we'll die" wasn't true and eating meat and dairy does more harm than good.

Forks Over Knives | The Official Movie Website

Also says you don't have to be a bitch ass skinny hippy vegan the UFC guy they showed didn't eat meat.

UFC Fighter Mac Danzig's Vegan Diet | Mahler's Aggressive Strength

If we can get protein from veggies / hemp protein, and iron from veggies why do we need meat?

List Of Iron-rich Foods For Vegetarians | LIVESTRONG.COM

It's 4 am and I'm too tired to find anything that says we need meat besides blogs and Yahoo Answers

I'm really confused because on the Ted Talk a few posts back she says she eats meat but avoid dairy

http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/139834-buy-juicer-4.html#post1586769

fuck me

You don't need animal protein at all, thought this was common knowledge actually. Animal protein is what kills people basically. Is this really the first time you've heard this?

 

[jellyfish]

You don't need animal protein at all, thought this was common knowledge actually. Animal protein is what kills people basically. Is this really the first time you've heard this?

Here I thought grains, er corn was what kills people.

You don't become a diabetic by eating meat now do you.

 

[EricVonDoobie]

Here I thought grains, er corn was what kills people.

You don't become a diabetic by eating meat now do you.

Grains aren't really good for people either, particularly wheat. We've only been eating wheat for ~12,000 years and we consume more of it now than ever and our bodies can't really handle it. Causes major problems.

We really didn't evolve to eat most grains since we've only been growing them for a short period of time, relative to how long we've existed.

 

[Uncle Tony]

You don't need animal protein at all, thought this was common knowledge actually. Animal protein is what kills people basically. Is this really the first time you've heard this?

Seriously, why? And what are the options if one were to completely stop eating meat and grains? Fruits and soy chunks can get bland after a few days.

 

[EricVonDoobie]

Seriously, why? And what are the options if one were to completely stop eating meat and grains? Fruits and soy chunks can get bland after a few days.

I don't know what you're asking "why?" to exactly. I agree fruits and tofu can get bland but if you check out even just one kind of cuisine like Thai or Indian food you can eat an animal protein free diet really easily and have a shit ton of options to choose from.

Tons of cultures have literally thousands upon thousands of ways to cook veggies and protein that taste incredible. It's true foods like Indian rely on dairy a bit but there are also tons of ways to eat completely animal protein free (which I don't even do myself as much as I should, I still eat dairy a few times a week but when I don't I feel 10x better in every possible way).

The biggest trouble with a 100% animal protein diet is you start to crave the fat/protein that usually comes with dairy, but there are ways around this.

 

[Jameel]

@Eric

Seriously, why? And what are the options if one were to completely stop eating meat and grains? Fruits and soy chunks can get bland after a few days.

Wouldn't you be able to get all your protein from a protein shake each day.

I've been reading and seeing in a lot of videos that the "your body can only absorb 30g of protein and the rest is waste" is not true.

30g protein myth - Google Search
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKJqK4zp6GQ&feature=player_embedded]Myth Busters: Digesting 30g of Protein - YouTube[/ame]

Veggie / Juice diet + Protein shake that has all your protein for that day = win?

 

[Uncle Tony]

I don't know what you're asking "why?" to exactly. I agree fruits and tofu can get bland but if you check out even just one kind of cuisine like Thai or Indian food you can eat an animal protein free diet really easily and have a shit ton of options to choose from.

Tons of cultures have literally thousands upon thousands of ways to cook veggies and protein that taste incredible. It's true foods like Indian rely on dairy a bit but there are also tons of ways to eat completely animal protein free (which I don't even do myself as much as I should, I still eat dairy a few times a week but when I don't I feel 10x better in every possible way).

The biggest trouble with a 100% animal protein diet is you start to crave the fat/protein that usually comes with dairy, but there are ways around this.

Why as to why is animal protein deadly? What's the harm in organic/farm grown poultry and cattle?

 

[jellyfish]

Why as to why is animal protein deadly? What's the harm in organic/farm grown poultry and cattle?

Death by propaganda. Don't overcomplicate things, and let the veg heads deal with their own internal issues.

 

[loyolabenson]

Why as to why is animal protein deadly? What's the harm in organic/farm grown poultry and cattle?

funny you bring that up. I was in a debate on THIS very topic with some guy the other day.


Logic tells me organic/grassfed/non gmo cattle/poultry can't be deadly.

 

[EricVonDoobie]

Why as to why is animal protein deadly? What's the harm in organic/farm grown poultry and cattle?

It isn't the protein itself but when you're relying on meat/dairy for your protein you're consuming more protein than you need and more cholesterol than you need among other things. More of that = shittier health overall, leading to death basically. Watch "The Last Heart Attack" about Bill Clinton going vegan, answers a lot of the details about this IIRC. (Found it: http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/podcasts/gupta/site/2011/08/29/sgmd.last.heart.attack.cnn )

Death by propaganda. Don't overcomplicate things, and let the veg heads deal with their own internal issues.

lol, u mad bro?

funny you bring that up. I was in a debate on THIS very topic with some guy the other day.

Logic tells me organic/grassfed/non gmo cattle/poultry can't be deadly.

Agreed.

 

[EricVonDoobie]

@Eric



Wouldn't you be able to get all your protein from a protein shake each day.

I've been reading and seeing in a lot of videos that the "your body can only absorb 30g of protein and the rest is waste" is not true.

30g protein myth - Google Search
Myth Busters: Digesting 30g of Protein - YouTube

Veggie / Juice diet + Protein shake that has all your protein for that day = win?

Yeah this is correct. Body builders need 1g of protein per 1 kg of body weight. Most Americans eat a body builders amount of protein per day and just sit on their asses doing nothing.

I've read recently too this perception in the body building community is changing and they think the amount of protein needed, even for a body builder, is significantly lower.

 

[Uncle Tony]

Not all amino acids that make protein are equal. The argument about "drink a protein shake and avoid cholesterol" applies in reverse as well- you're missing out on a lot of vitamins, good fats and other positive things which are present in whole food. Same as juicing vs eating an MV.

It's easier said than done about getting protein from non animal sources. I was born in a Hindu Brahmin family and was fed a vegetarian diet till age 11. I was a skinny malnutritioned kid and never really gained muscle mass or attained peak fitness until I started eating meat. I have a cousin about the same age as I am who is a vegetarian and he is still skinny and undernourished. Raising children on a vegetarian diet should be criminalized- it is a form of child abuse.

 

[EricVonDoobie]

Not all amino acids that make protein are equal. The argument about "drink a protein shake and avoid cholesterol" applies in reverse as well- you're missing out on a lot of vitamins, good fats and other positive things which are present in whole food. Same as juicing vs eating an MV.

It's easier said than done about getting protein from non animal sources. I was born in a Hindu Brahmin family and was fed a vegetarian diet till age 11. I was a skinny malnutritioned kid and never really gained muscle mass or attained peak fitness until I started eating meat. I have a cousin about the same age as I am who is a vegetarian and he is still skinny and undernourished. Raising children on a vegetarian diet should be criminalized- it is a form of child abuse.

Any good protein shake would contain at least 8 of the amino acids necessary to form a complete protein, so yes, it's all you need for protein. As for missing out on other minerals by drinking a protein shake, that doesn't really make sense--you drink a protein shake to get protein, that's it. You get everything else through vegetables/fruit/etc.

As for raising kids vegetarian, you're making some big generalizations. Whoever raised you simply didn't understand nutrition. There are many vegan/vegetarian body builders, so obviously any problems you had putting on mass were due to your ignorance of nutrition.

Eat more calories than you burn = put on mass. Eat enough protein while tearing muscle fibers and causing hypertrophy = you gain muscle.

 

[Jameel]

Not all amino acids that make protein are equal. The argument about "drink a protein shake and avoid cholesterol" applies in reverse as well- you're missing out on a lot of vitamins, good fats and other positive things which are present in whole food. Same as juicing vs eating an MV.

I'm having a hard time finding a definitive answer for this. Iron deficiency and B12 problems if you don't eat accordingly without meat but...

1. It just seems harder to get Iron, protein, B12 without meat, not impossible, so why exactly do we need meat?

2. Animal protein and meat seems to be linked to a lot of problems. There seems to be a bias on meat because it is apart of our lives but I'm still not seeing "You are getting X from meat that you can't get from some plant/veggie that you need to live."

If it's just a convenience since meat has all this stuff and tastes good but at what cost?

On the other hand they'll probably have the cure for all the cancers in 50-60 years so fuck it right?

It's easier said than done about getting protein from non animal sources. I was born in a Hindu Brahmin family and was fed a vegetarian diet till age 11. I was a skinny malnutritioned kid and never really gained muscle mass or attained peak fitness until I started eating meat. I have a cousin about the same age as I am who is a vegetarian and he is still skinny and undernourished. Raising children on a vegetarian diet should be criminalized- it is a form of child abuse.

Who Are the Vegetarian, Semi-Vegetarian, and Vegan MMA Fighters?

For those of you who follow MMA (I don’t), here are the fighters mentioned in the article… (and I imagine there may be more):

• Jon Fitch (“considered by most either the No. 2 or No. 3 welterweight in the world”)
• Jake Shields (“the next challenger for Georges St. Pierre’s welterweight title” — this April 30th fight has sold out the 55,000-seat Rogers Centre in Toronto)
• Nick Diaz (“Strikeforce welterweight champion”)
• Nate Diaz (.. Nick’s younger brother)
• Mac Danzig (“Season 6 winner of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ as a welterweight”)

Top MMA Fighters Raving about Vegetarianism

 

[Jameel]

Any good protein shake would contain at least 8 of the amino acids necessary to form a complete protein, so yes, it's all you need for protein. As for missing out on other minerals by drinking a protein shake, that doesn't really make sense--you drink a protein shake to get protein, that's it. You get everything else through vegetables/fruit/etc.

As for raising kids vegetarian, you're making some big generalizations. Whoever raised you simply didn't understand nutrition. There are many vegan/vegetarian body builders, so obviously any problems you had putting on mass were due to your ignorance of nutrition.

Eat more calories than you burn = put on mass. Eat enough protein while tearing muscle fibers and causing hypertrophy = you gain muscle.

Do you have a link or recipe for making that sort of protein shake.

I'm still having a hard time finding something that says "If you don't eat meat you are going to fuck this, this, and this up."

 

[EricVonDoobie]

Do you have a link or recipe for making that sort of protein shake.

I'm still having a hard time finding something that says "If you don't eat meat you are going to fuck this, this, and this up."

That's because it isn't even something that's debated by anyone who understands nutrition, obviously. More and more athletes are going vegan for just this reason.

You won't find reputable data saying avoiding meat will cause problems because there isn't any--aside from cases of malnutrition which occurs when people don't know what the hell they're doing.

As for the protein, just get a soy protein mix--soy is a complete protein on its own. You could even just pick up unsweetened soy milk and drink 2-3 glasses a day for protein.

 

[dogfighter]

ITT: A bunch of dudes who found the "Documentary" section on Netflix Watch Instantly and are now orthomolecular gurus (yeah, I saw Food Matters too).

 

[EricVonDoobie]

ITT: A bunch of dudes who found the "Documentary" section on Netflix Watch Instantly and are now orthomolecular gurus (yeah, I saw Food Matters too).

Actually seems to be the exact opposite in here. Just for the record I'm referencing my 20+ years of research/learning and 3 years of vegetarian body building, plus having a relatively large network of friends/family who are vegetarian + vegan athletes/body builders some of which were born and raised that way.

And ultimately, I don't care at all who eats what, doesn't affect me at all--but facts are facts and need to be properly represented IMO.

 

[Uncle Tony]

Who Are the Vegetarian, Semi-Vegetarian, and Vegan MMA Fighters?

For those of you who follow MMA (I don’t), here are the fighters mentioned in the article… (and I imagine there may be more):

• Jon Fitch (“considered by most either the No. 2 or No. 3 welterweight in the world”)
• Jake Shields (“the next challenger for Georges St. Pierre’s welterweight title” — this April 30th fight has sold out the 55,000-seat Rogers Centre in Toronto)
• Nick Diaz (“Strikeforce welterweight champion”)
• Nate Diaz (.. Nick’s younger brother)
• Mac Danzig (“Season 6 winner of ‘The Ultimate Fighter’ as a welterweight”)

Top MMA Fighters Raving about Vegetarianism

I wonder how many of them started out vegetarian as kids. Probably none of them.

Anemia is on the rise in India, says NFHS report - Express India

In any blood collection/donation program in an Indian college or university, most vegetarians' blood is not accepted because their hemoglobin levels are too low.