Call Fall military heroes?
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I think the idea of "battle glory" is very similar to the promise of eternal paradise that so many theistic religions promote. You can get human beings to do just about anything if you can offer them some kind of immortality.
Hey pal, I'm not his buddy nor yours either!
Your suppose to say, "I'm not your pal, friend"
Throw in some Authority, a good helping of Social Proof, and a dash of Reciprocity. Mix and blend. Then, find a Hitler. (There will always be a Hitler to fight.) It's a great recipe for a standing army that receives continuous accolades from Boobus Americanus.
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Every Memorial Day someone has to bring this up just to be contrarian, and it inevitably leads to an obnoxious shitstorm from both sides. Of course not all members of the military are heroes, but are some deserving of the title? Of course. Is the guy who fell on a grenade to protect the lives of the rest of his squad a hero? Yes, by far. Is the guy doing IT for the Air Force in an air conditioned room a hero? No - but I still say thanks for the service.
The politicians are the ones who corrupt the actual mission of defense, not the soldiers. There are shitty soldiers just like there are shitty people in any job, but it's still not them that corrupted it.
The politicians are the ones who corrupt the actual mission of defense, not the soldiers. There are shitty soldiers just like there are shitty people in any job, but it's still not them that corrupted it.
Some fallen military are Heroes - some are not. Just like some fallen lawyers are Heroes and some are not. I disagree with the blanket labeling of an entire group as Heroes, it just doesn't make sense.
I have family and friends that call me a Hero for what I've done in the military, it doesn't compute. At the end of the day I'm a very specialized technology professional that does a bunch of tactical networking type "stuff". I just happen to wear a uniform while doing it. Oh and I've had to go to some kinda dangerous places to do my job - whoop de doo!
The automatic labeling of an entire group of people as Heroes is more of a recruitment/retention tool for the military than anything else.
(Want to see a military with a less swelled head? Vote Ron Paul.)
Inbefore some other military person rips into me for saying it like it is
I have family and friends that call me a Hero for what I've done in the military, it doesn't compute. At the end of the day I'm a very specialized technology professional that does a bunch of tactical networking type "stuff". I just happen to wear a uniform while doing it. Oh and I've had to go to some kinda dangerous places to do my job - whoop de doo!
The automatic labeling of an entire group of people as Heroes is more of a recruitment/retention tool for the military than anything else.
(Want to see a military with a less swelled head? Vote Ron Paul.)
Inbefore some other military person rips into me for saying it like it is
That is exactly how Rome worked. The parallel between Rome and America is fascinating.
I am trying to think of other empires in the course of human history that were so powerful that an argument could be made that war was obsolete (for them, at that time).
That is to say, throughout most of human history, no matter which tribe/country you belonged to, war was a way of life and it was necessary to cultivate a class of warriors to defend your territory.
I'm trying to think of other examples but none come to mind right now...
Obama Lied, People Died.
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Noun:
A person who freely offers to take part in an enterprise or undertake a task.
Verb:
Freely offer to do something.
..just saying.
The one time in that asshole's life he was actually right about something, and he goes and issues an apology?
Just saying or just overanalyzing?
The way I understand it Memorial Day is a day to remember those killed in service, from the 1700s until today.
It's as fit a holiday as this country could have.
If you (and by "you" I mean anybody, not someone specifically here) view Memorial Day through the prism of how a 24-hour news channel and its respective pundits present it and then decide that it is, in fact, beneath you - then you probably have a Nielsen-sponsored bug up your ass.
The day is not about us. It's not even about our armed forces overseas - it's about those who gave their lives in service.
Let's make peace with ourselves, call these guys heroes, and move the fuck on.
Now is not the time to be a mini-Chris Hayes.
The idea that by joining the military you are somehow suddenly a hero is inane. By joining the military one is actively committing oneself to something with risks which one knows may cost one one’s life. This is also true every time one gets in my car. In both cases the chances of death are not immediate enough to warrant any real consideration.
I’ll let you think about that a bit more and see if you can figure out just how stupid that statement is for yourself.
Why is someone a hero for murdering the ‘heroes’ of another country? You can only make that argument if you accept every suicide bomber as a hero. Let's face it, that shit may be crazy but it takes a bigger sack than joining an army where one may or may not see action and may or may not take fire. At the end of the day, one's career path as a suicide bomber is pretty much just "boooom".
They get paid, they know the risks. Just like any other blue collar job, they might die. Why do you call dead soldiers heroes and not every hooker killed on the job? They both know the risks.
Why should they be given respect? There are few career paths with a lower barrier for entry. It's harder to become a post carrier than a soldier.
I’ll let you think about that a bit more and see if you can figure out just how stupid that statement is for yourself.
Why is someone a hero for murdering the ‘heroes’ of another country? You can only make that argument if you accept every suicide bomber as a hero. Let's face it, that shit may be crazy but it takes a bigger sack than joining an army where one may or may not see action and may or may not take fire. At the end of the day, one's career path as a suicide bomber is pretty much just "boooom".
They get paid, they know the risks. Just like any other blue collar job, they might die. Why do you call dead soldiers heroes and not every hooker killed on the job? They both know the risks.
There is a "International Drug Users Memorial Day." I'm sure it doesn't involve parades, but this highlights how debating about who is a hero is secondary to the intended purpose of a "memorial" day.
I imagine that Memorial Day is big in Gettysburg, with a remembrance of the Civil War dead (both North and South) being the focal point. If people there are going to argue about which side was more in the right or wrong, today wouldn't be the day for it.
One could actually argue that Memorial Day makes it harder for governments to wage war because its a reminder of the human cost that goes into it.
So a United States holiday is unbearable for you the Canadian who doesn't watch television or listen to radio?
Meanwhile in the USA people are happy to have a day off from work to spend time with family and such. :usa:
I imagine that Memorial Day is big in Gettysburg, with a remembrance of the Civil War dead (both North and South) being the focal point. If people there are going to argue about which side was more in the right or wrong, today wouldn't be the day for it.
One could actually argue that Memorial Day makes it harder for governments to wage war because its a reminder of the human cost that goes into it.
So a United States holiday is unbearable for you the Canadian who doesn't watch television or listen to radio?
Meanwhile in the USA people are happy to have a day off from work to spend time with family and such. :usa: