Case Study: Spending 25,000.00 on an offline biz using WickedFire BST services.

[JulianTrueFlynn]

So the words "pretty easy" made you comment?

The point was simple, it can be done.

I made a couple clear points, and your statement on it being pretty easy was a big one. It sounds like you're backtracking and avoiding them and claiming semantics, like you avoided my response in that initial thread we're discussing now or the multiple others in this one (pls reply).

I think it was clear that your main point was not a simple 'it's possible':

DDoS is a pretty easy was to destroy someones PBN. Another reason to have it for a lot of the members here.

There's numerous ways to break down that sentence on how it's wrong, 'pretty easy' and 'destroy' are big ones. I already laid out above how that would not 'destroy' someones PBN and how it's not 'pretty easy'. I just assume here that you're not familiar with the subject (which is fine of course), I just wouldn't be so adamant about it and to actually defend the statements you're making.

 

[tim2963]

I made a couple clear points, and your statement on it being pretty easy was a big one. It sounds like you're backtracking and avoiding them and claiming semantics, like you avoided my response in that initial thread we're discussing now or the multiple others in this one (pls reply).

I think it was clear that your main point was not a simple 'it's possible':



There's numerous ways to break down that sentence on how it's wrong, 'pretty easy' and 'destroy' are big ones. I already laid out above how that would not destroy someones PBN and how it's not 'pretty easy'. I just assume here that you're not familiar with the subject (which is fine of course), I just wouldn't be so adamant about it and to actually defend the statements you're making.

I don't respond to many of your posts because it just seems like you want to argue about something constantly. In my opinion it is easy to ddos a PBN and cause issues, in your opinion it is harder. In the other thread, it is my opinion from experience that selling leads either generates more money or leads to more money than flat fee client work, in your opinion it doesn't. If I don't respond I just don't care to go back and fourth with someone about it. But you feel the need to bring other threads into this thread to continually argue about points and verbage breakdowns.

So the final comment on it will be I make a lot more money selling leads or partnering with companies and supplying leads then I would ever make doing client work, I don't mean a few thousand more, I mean a lot more and I have experience of doing both client work and lead generation. I didn't feel a need to reply because your views on lead generation vs client work tell me you don't have a lot of experience with it, so no need to go back and fourth. It is literally the difference of hundreds of thousands of dollars a month and the difference of having the freedom to choose your clients and dictate who you are going to work with vs relying on flat fee client work.

That's it though. The next posts will only have to do with the case study from here, if you want to continue anything else, just PM me or bring it to another thread.

 

[Vadym]

In my opinion - you're full of shit and couldn't DDOS anything. And should stick to ranking 5 word longtails and pretending to be an expert.

 

[CCarter]

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

I don't respond to many of your posts because it just seems like you want to argue about something constantly. In my opinion it is easy to ddos a PBN and cause issues, in your opinion it is harder. In the other thread, it is my opinion from experience that selling leads either generates more money or leads to more money than flat fee client work, in your opinion it doesn't. If I don't respond I just don't care to go back and fourth with someone about it. But you feel the need to bring other threads into this thread to continually argue about points and verbage breakdowns.

So the final comment on it will be I make a lot more money selling leads or partnering with companies and supplying leads then I would ever make doing client work, I don't mean a few thousand more, I mean a lot more and I have experience of doing both client work and lead generation. I didn't feel a need to reply because your views on lead generation vs client work tell me you don't have a lot of experience with it, so no need to go back and fourth. It is literally the difference of hundreds of thousands of dollars a month and the difference of having the freedom to choose your clients and dictate who you are going to work with vs relying on flat fee client work.

That's it though. The next posts will only have to do with the case study from here, if you want to continue anything else, just PM me or bring it to another thread.

You're saying you're intimidated? That's BS, I've actually defended your ideas a couple times (example) and you've liked a couple of my posts too--so, what is it? Wouldn't this be another example of you backing out of a debate and not defending your statements like I've been saying since my 1st post in this thread?

Instead of paraphrasing your argument in a different way or summing mine up incorrectly why don't you actually talk about the points we're making. Do you want me to repost them? I can do the same for Mitzuoza and Unarmed from the other thread which points you paraphrased incorrectly as well in here. I wish it was a simple 'well that's just your opinion', business/marketers just go by data though for decisions.

Reputation is everything and if you don't want to defend your points why should anyone listen or respect them? Disagreeing with someone isn't disrespect and it's not like I have called you any names or anything, and yet you ignore. By you not replying I would say it's safe to assume that you were in over your head on this topic (and the other thread) and not able to defend yourself.

 

[Vadym]

You're saying you're intimidated? That's BS, I've actually defended your ideas a couple times (example) and you've liked a couple of my posts too--so, what is it? Wouldn't this be another example of you backing out of a debate and not defending your statements like I've been saying since my 1st post in this thread?

Instead of paraphrasing your argument in a different way or summing mine up incorrectly why don't you actually talk about the points we're making. Do you want me to repost them? I can do the same for Mitzuoza and Unarmed from the other thread which points you paraphrased incorrectly as well in here. I wish it was a simple 'well that's just your opinion', business/marketers just go by data though for decisions.

Reputation is everything and if you don't want to defend your points why should anyone listen or respect them? Disagreeing with someone isn't disrespect and it's not like I have called you any names or anything, and yet you ignore. By you not replying I would say it's safe to assume that you were in over your head on this topic (and the other thread) and not able to defend yourself.

I'm not going to respond to this post because it seems like you just want to argue.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

For anyone wondering what the site is, he linked all the images in this thread from the website (which I'm assuming is the one this thread is about). I don't even consider this outing, he did it to himself there.

 

[tim2963]

I'm not going to respond to this post because it seems like you just want to argue.

Vadym, aside from being a 25 year old troll who has survived off of Cheetos and energy drinks for the past 25 years of your life what have you contributed to this forum lately? The majority of your posts come from the "Guys I'm fat lets lose weight together" thread. Why are you even in here posting about anything shouldn't you be running up and down the street trying to fix your out of shape dad bod.

As for Julian, I'm not going to go back right now and find the post, but I remember going back and fourth with you either in your thread or mine and I told you to check out the BNI and do some in person networking in which you replied. "I have to leave my house, doesn't sound very fun at all". So I just never took you seriously enough to respond to the majority of your posts.

For anyone wondering what the site is, he linked all the images in this thread from the website (which I'm assuming is the one this thread is about). I don't even consider this outing, he did it to himself there.

You're suggesting this why? Because I don't care enough to go back and fourth with you about how to start an offline marketing business?

 

[Vadym]

Vadym, aside from being a 25 year old troll who has survived off of Cheetos and energy drinks for the past 25 years of your life what have you contributed to this forum lately? The majority of your posts come from the "Guys I'm fat lets lose weight together" thread. Why are you even in here posting about anything shouldn't you be running up and down the street trying to fix your out of shape dad bod.

As for Julian, I'm not going to go back right now and find the post, but I remember going back and fourth with you either in your thread or mine and I told you to check out the BNI and do some in person networking in which you replied. "I have to leave my house, doesn't sound very fun at all". So I just never took you seriously enough to respond to the majority of your posts.

Buddy - thems fighting words and I will fuck your wife and make her leave you for me. And then leave her.

Also - could you please give me a quote on screen enclosures in south Florida? Rofl. What a manual labor contractor peasant pretending to be a baller.

PS - you're bad at SEO. And couldn't DDOS anything, because you're a sad little bitch with basic skills. I wonder who's noob sites get DDOSed first, mine or the screen enclosures one

PPS - I am better at life and fitness than you, give up. That is all.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

As for Julian, I'm not going to go back right now and find the post, but I remember going back and fourth with you either in your thread or mine and I told you to check out the BNI and do some in person networking in which you replied. "I have to leave my house, doesn't sound very fun at all". So I just never took you seriously enough to respond to the majority of your posts.

You mean when I shared a Yellowbook footprint on how to scrape sites to do phone pitching (what I used to do when I got started). You said you attended meetings which isn't me so I said a joke. You liked the Yellowbook footprint post too, there was no 'back and forth'. It was in the thread I linked in this thread already.

I also posted above you linking to the site directly from this thread, c'mon man.

 

[tim2963]

Buddy - thems fighting words and I will fuck your wife and make her leave you for me. And then leave her.

Also - could you please give me a quote on screen enclosures in south Florida? Rofl. What a manual labor contractor peasant pretending to be a baller.

PS - you're bad at SEO. And couldn't DDOS anything, because you're a sad little bitch with basic skills. I wonder who's noob sites get DDOSed first, mine or the screen enclosures one

PPS - I am better at life and fitness than you, give up. That is all.

You really are an idiot aren't you. Go back and eat that fried chicken in the hotel you've been living out of.

 

[Vadym]

You really are an idiot aren't you. Go back and eat that fried chicken in the hotel you've been living out of.

No, just a guy who baits mamas basement antisocials who play expert on forums for 6 hours a day. Like I said, go rank some 5 word longtails, you peasant bitch.

PS - moved countries three times since you read whatever I wrote. Too bad you cant afford to travel. You should enclose more patios with screens, bro.

 

[tim2963]

No, just a guy who baits mamas basement antisocials who play expert on forums for 6 hours a day. Like I said, go rank some 5 word longtails, you peasant bitch.

I'll be on later ladies, I'll catch you after your slow jog tonight Vadym, good talk tubby.

 

[Vadym]

LOL - only took me 4 posts to turn your case study into a joke and make yourself look about as credible as a Tim.

Now that I tanked everything you stand for, you sad little clown, you should know I lift more than you. And your wife says my name at night.

 

[tim2963]

LOL - only took me 4 posts to turn your case study into a joke and make yourself look about as credible as a Tim.

Now that I tanked everything you stand for, you sad little clown, you should know I lift more than you. And your wife says my name at night.

The case study's been done and those pics are hosted on a burner site that was for PPC. Not only did you not derail anything, the case study was successful, so successful that I can eat more than just Cheetos and fried chicken now. Btw just because you lift your fat ass out of bed in the morning does not mean you 'lift heavy'. Thanks for your time, I know it's been hard to be a troll on here because of your fat fingers. Just know that we see all of your edits.

 

[SteveGG]

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[tim2963]

LOL - only took me 4 posts to turn your case study into a joke and make yourself look about as credible as a Tim.

Now that I tanked everything you stand for, you sad little clown, you should know I lift more than you. And your wife says my name at night.

In all seriousness, funny posts aside. I don't have any issues with you or Julian, most of the posts you referred to Julian I didn't know were there, I just went back and checked my old thread and there are a ton of replies I haven't even gone through. I literally just didn't think you were serious when you told me you didn't want to leave your house, nothing personal. If you want to talk about that stuff just do in your thread or my other one and if I don't respond PM me, I'm really only paying attention to this thread and a few other random shooting the shit threads.

I don't really have any updates on this case study for now, rankings are the same, Second has run into some personal issues which I won't post about so everything has really been delayed. As soon as there is something more I'll post.

Vadym, keep up the weight loss man

 

[daveclever]

Yeah Vadym, you tub of lard.

 

[JulianTrueFlynn]

Just want to point out that none of my points have been proved wrong for either thread. This wasn't like a personal attack, if you're going to give marketing advice I will make a point if I disagree--it's a marketing discussion forum. The same way I would anyone, it's not like I was calling you names I was discussing your points.

I pointed out that all the pics were in this thread are from the site you're writing about (my assumption) because then I felt later you were deliberately dismissing me and putting words in my mouth in this thread. This was about the only time I got personal and made a call on your character...

I'm not going to chase you or PM you n' stuff man, I'm obsessive but not that obsessive. I simply saw that you answered my question that Konstantine brought up which made me reply here.

 

[tim2963]

Just want to point out that none of my points have been proved wrong for either thread. This wasn't like a personal attack, if you're going to give marketing advice I will make a point if I disagree--it's a marketing discussion forum. The same way I would anyone, it's not like I was calling you names I was discussing your points.

I pointed out that all the pics were in this thread are from the site you're writing about (my assumption) because then I felt later you were deliberately dismissing me and putting words in my mouth in this thread. This was about the only time I got personal and made a call on your character...

I'm not going to chase you or PM you n' stuff man, I'm obsessive but not that obsessive. I simply saw that you answered my question that Konstantine brought up which made me reply here.

Sure, fair enough. You just have to understand I have Konstantine who you can take or leave depending on what he says who is in a flame war with another guy in here, then you came in, followed by an obvious troll in Vadym. Your questions really just got caught up in the bullshit that was all of that.

I posted this case study for a few reasons, but the most important reason was to get a few decent posts going that actually had something to do with IM on this forum since it was so slow, the other is to give credit to the vendors that I have been working with, some of whom I've been working with for years. Now the site that is hosting the pics is def not the site the case study is about it is still pretty malicious to try and bring it to that level. Either way i get that things got heated so it is what it is.

As for the DDoS, my point with Konstantine was that it is possible. I had honestly forgotten about the post you brought up. Perhaps "very easy" and "destroy" were dramatic words, but none the less you can disrupt a few things with the right tools if done right. Can I do it myself? No I don't have the tools or care enough to hire someone to do something like that. But in some niches where there is big money it would def be an option for someone. I'm def no hacker in anyway shape or form but I have discussed denial of service attacks with people who have done similar things to someones affiliate network, which is messed up.

I'll find your other posts that I didn't respond to and make a reply later.