Census Trouble, but I'm not backing down. Help?
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Well, you could move to Cuba or Venezuela or Russia. Then you will be glad just to answer 10 extremely generic questions. And the people knocking at your door are only doing their job - they have to pay bills, too. Do you think they enjoy it dealing with assholes like yourself? Do you think they feel safe with the show your pulling of? For ousy $8/hour (or whatever they get) they get to meet "great" people like you. Awesome!!!!
filling out the census isn't an inconvenience to me. I'm not worried about privacy. I've even filled it out in the past years just because it came and its helpful to my community's funding. I just don't like to be bullied into anything with threats against my rights. Let others cave to the pressure. I don't give a fuck what they do. As soon as they started pulling the aggressive card this year I threw mine out and have no intentions of answering any questions. The government does have a right to census the people, but they don't have a right to force citizens to participate who have a right to their privacy. The constitution doesn't contradict itself. They have a right to census, we have a right to our privacy outside of it's bounds. That to me sounds like it's optional and NOT a crime. It's the same constitutional rights that makes it not a crime to not fill out a tax return, but it is a crime to evade paying your taxes.
Let them come after me. I'll cost them as much as I please in court costs trying to get that ticket money out of me and my conscience is just fine with it. I don't back down as easy as others when it comes to invasion of my rights. I don't see how that in any way is a conspiracy?
Let them come after me. I'll cost them as much as I please in court costs trying to get that ticket money out of me and my conscience is just fine with it. I don't back down as easy as others when it comes to invasion of my rights. I don't see how that in any way is a conspiracy?
I agree, just let those minimum wage earners do their job.
You live in America buddy - the more America bankrupts itself the worse this is going to get. Go along with the jig until you get sick of it, then leave.
ROFL
You live in America buddy - the more America bankrupts itself the worse this is going to get. Go along with the jig until you get sick of it, then leave.
ROFL
So you're saying that it's ok for the US government infringe on my liberties because another country infringes on liberties even more?
You know, I don't like to be bullied into wearing a seatbelt or speeding, but is it against the law if I don't wear a seatbelt, or cause a disturbance late at night while expressing my free speech? Yes. Tough shit - Laws infringe on "rights" all of the time.
The aggressive card? From what I remember, I received a form in the mail, without any sort of aggressive notes or people beating down my door... Sent it back business reply mail, didn't even have to get out a stamp...
Apparently they do have the right... Almost everything with the census has already been challenged legally (for decades, according to some listed at Census in the Constitution - 2010 Census ), so the likelihood that you have this novel idea that the government has no right to force citizens to comply, and it has not been challenged in court is pretty darn slim.
So this invades your right to privacy? The supreme court has ruled that it does not, so tough shit, it's legal. I wasn't referring to you specifically on the conspiracy part - more on the paranoia part. From my taxes, job history, 1099s, passport, driver's license, car registration, student loans, and any other random data the government has, they know tons of shit about me already - Would I rather that the government save their money, and figure out how to use this existing data to conduct a census? Yes. But until then, I'll just give them the information that is at no harm to me, and is less useful than all of the other data they have on me, and not waste tax money to have someone knock on my door.
Bitch about tax dollars going to waste all you want, but when you're causing the waste, it's about what you deem to be your constitutional rights, but has legally been decided otherwise.
Last I checked, the supreme court is constitutional, and their decision stays until it is successfully overturned, so if you're going by the constitutional rights argument, that right has been defined by a constitutionally supported body.
Census = good for equal representation. It's the main tool used to apportion the members of the US House.
Since the last few years have seen unusual turmoil in the US housing industry something new has happened - the shift to the south and west (ie, Cali, AZ, and FL) has finally stopped. People have started moving back. Pretend I posted the actual stas on that, I don't give a shit right now.
The important thing is that if you live in any of the other 47 states you might get MORE legislators if you help the census.
You can decide for yourself if that's a good thing or not.
Since the last few years have seen unusual turmoil in the US housing industry something new has happened - the shift to the south and west (ie, Cali, AZ, and FL) has finally stopped. People have started moving back. Pretend I posted the actual stas on that, I don't give a shit right now.
The important thing is that if you live in any of the other 47 states you might get MORE legislators if you help the census.
You can decide for yourself if that's a good thing or not.
A few of you have said, "It's just a few questions. It's no big deal. It's not a huge breach of privacy. So, fill it out and stop complaining."
The amount of effort involved is not the issue. Nor is the level of privacy violation. The issue is the erosion of liberty. This census appears a small matter, and thus most people comply. Their acquiescence does more damage than they realize to their liberty and that of everyone around them.
Liberty is eroded gradually by a monopoly state. It rarely occurs overnight. Nor does liberty grow under a monopoly state. The two are incompatible, continuously at odds with each other.
People often look at erosions of liberty that seem to have little to do with them, and turn a blind eye. A brief glance through history will reveal why that leads to less liberty for all.
I do not smoke cigarettes, but I'll argue that others should have the right to do so. I do not own a firearm, but I'll be damned if I'll let those I know say they should be banned without pressing the matter. I don't hire prostitutes, freebase, or text while driving. But the moment someone says banning such things is okay, a small piece of liberty is eroded for everyone.
The same is true with filling out the census beyond a headcount. I'm not saying everyone should be a martyr and endure fines, imprisonment, or whatever else our monopoly court system can concoct. But surely a few of you arguing that others should "just fill the thing out" realize that doing so erodes liberty, if only a little at a time.
We have the benefit of history from which to derive conclusions regarding the future of our freedom.
The amount of effort involved is not the issue. Nor is the level of privacy violation. The issue is the erosion of liberty. This census appears a small matter, and thus most people comply. Their acquiescence does more damage than they realize to their liberty and that of everyone around them.
Liberty is eroded gradually by a monopoly state. It rarely occurs overnight. Nor does liberty grow under a monopoly state. The two are incompatible, continuously at odds with each other.
People often look at erosions of liberty that seem to have little to do with them, and turn a blind eye. A brief glance through history will reveal why that leads to less liberty for all.
I do not smoke cigarettes, but I'll argue that others should have the right to do so. I do not own a firearm, but I'll be damned if I'll let those I know say they should be banned without pressing the matter. I don't hire prostitutes, freebase, or text while driving. But the moment someone says banning such things is okay, a small piece of liberty is eroded for everyone.
The same is true with filling out the census beyond a headcount. I'm not saying everyone should be a martyr and endure fines, imprisonment, or whatever else our monopoly court system can concoct. But surely a few of you arguing that others should "just fill the thing out" realize that doing so erodes liberty, if only a little at a time.
We have the benefit of history from which to derive conclusions regarding the future of our freedom.
Census data has been used in the past to imprison Japanese AMERICANS during WWII for the entire duration of the war.
"the Census Bureau's involvement included identifying concentrations of people of Japanese ancestry in geographic units as small as city blocks, lending a senior Census Bureau official to work with the War Department on the relocation program and a willingness to disclose names and address of Japanese Americans."
The trust people place in our government simply for convenience magnified 300 million times is sad.
"the Census Bureau's involvement included identifying concentrations of people of Japanese ancestry in geographic units as small as city blocks, lending a senior Census Bureau official to work with the War Department on the relocation program and a willingness to disclose names and address of Japanese Americans."
The trust people place in our government simply for convenience magnified 300 million times is sad.
Well, I guess liberty has been eroding since the first census in the 1790s...
I don't see many people here saying they object to filling out the census beyond a head count - You can pretty much put whatever information you "believe" in, whether truthful or just in your head, and that doesn't matter much. What I see here is a lot of people refusing to even send back headcount data.
i did this once with mormons and they never came back, but the catholic nuns were a whole different story...
Well that sucks because I claimed to 1/2 Japanese 1/2 black when the guy came to my door. I'm actually Irish, and pretty sure I wasn't fooling anyone. If they start the round-ups this time I wonder if that gives me an extra "out". I also insisted that my 3 year old be recorded as a half-person since she is so short and hardly eats anything. Of course, I'm already on every imaginable watch list there is so I'm not worried.
Yeah do that, so instead of asking you your ethnicity they can just check off "passive-aggressive pussy" on their list.
Why are you being such a cunt? It's the census. Do it, get it over, and don't think about it for another 10 years.