Does Liberalism Make You Fuckin Stupid?

" . . . he saw Christianity as the highest expression of natural religion and Jesus as an incomparably great moral teacher. He was not an orthodox Christian because he rejected, among other things, the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God."

He believed in the teachers of Jesus. He did not, however, believe . . . "the doctrines that Jesus was the promised Messiah and the incarnate Son of God."

As was stated in the same passage, this was fairly typical in the day, which allowed him to classify himself as a " . . .real Christian . . . "

so he was a jew?
 


No, he was a Unitarian, and said such. He followed many of the principles taught in the new testament, but rejected the idea of the trinity.

Great...but please explain the quote when he exclaimed himself a Christian. Was that quote fabricated? I operate from facts. If someone states they are Christian then I have to assume they are.
 
Great...but please explain the quote when he exclaimed himself a Christian. Was that quote fabricated? I operate from facts. If someone states they are Christian then I have to assume they are.

I have said I am a christian before, but does that really mean anything?
 
Great...but please explain the quote when he exclaimed himself a Christian. Was that quote fabricated? I operate from facts. If someone states they are Christian then I have to assume they are.

He was a REAL Christian. He understood the REAL story. 99.9% of Christians do not. He could quote for or against Christianity depending on who he was talking to. He was way beyond most people and would frame his conversation however who he was talking to would need to hear it, just like Jesus had to talk down to people in parables.

Here's another fact you may like from Jefferson on Christianity:

"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson

So there are clearly quotes by Jefferson FOR and AGAINST Christianity. It is up to you, the mindful reader, to make of it what you will. It is not so simple as most people like to make it out to be.
 
Great...but please explain the quote when he exclaimed himself a Christian. Was that quote fabricated? I operate from facts. If someone states they are Christian then I have to assume they are.

many people disagree when I say I'm a "real conservative" when I'm a libertarian, and I say I'm more true to conservatism than most modern day republicans. Doesn't mean I'm a republican.
 
ahh

When I see these kind of discussion I feel so lucky f being raised in Scandinavia =)

Being religious in any form or shape here just don't happen...

nope, but being slaves of a highly taxed welfare state sure does though. Welcome to the Church of State..
 
In answer to your question, Popeye, liberalism/stupidity is what people are before they have a chance to become truly educated. That's why the first thing the progressives set their sights on was the schools.

Now the public school system is run by liberals, is a black hole for taxpayer dollars, does not teach the fundamentals of the Founding of America, and is more concerned with fisting classes and free condoms than concepts of American patriotism, free markets, liberty, and Christianity.

BTW Popeye, I stopped checking out those garbage sites years ago. I can barely look at Huffpo for more than 30 seconds without my skin crawling, and don't even get me started on DailyKossack.
 
"I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion? To make one half the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support roguery and error all over the earth." - Thomas Jefferson

Men of his time couldn't express their true feelings on some issues due to the sheer resistance from others, but he was on the path to the real truth.

The truth is plain to see if you want to see it objectively. Religion is a complex expression of the fear of death. We elevate ourselves and tell each other that there is a purpose to life, and there is an afterlife because we fear nothingness.

Believing anything more is the arrogance of man.
 
In answer to your question, Popeye, liberalism/stupidity is what people are before they have a chance to become truly educated. That's why the first thing the progressives set their sights on was the schools.

Now the public school system is run by liberals, is a black hole for taxpayer dollars, does not teach the fundamentals of the Founding of America, and is more concerned with fisting classes and free condoms than concepts of American patriotism, free markets, liberty, and Christianity.

BTW Popeye, I stopped checking out those garbage sites years ago. I can barely look at Huffpo for more than 30 seconds without my skin crawling, and don't even get me started on DailyKossack.

government and religion lol
 
I remember reading a article where some university held a study in London if I recall correctly and the results were that people who are liberals, atheists, and males combined actually have a higher IQ then the majority of the population.
They know more and more about less and less, I'm sure.
Check this article.
Survey: Most doctors believe in God, afterlife - Health care- msnbc.com
76% of Doctors believe in God. Highest paid and just about the hardest profession to get into academically.
Its turns out were not all stupid, or live in the 19th century.
 
Religion is a complex expression of the fear of death. We elevate ourselves and tell each other that there is a purpose to life, and there is an afterlife because we fear nothingness.

Speak for yourself, moron. Maybe Mommy didn't hold you tight enough when you were small, but don't project your neuroses on the rest of us. Just because you're fucked in the head doesn't mean everyone else is.
 
They know more and more about less and less, I'm sure.
Check this article.
Survey: Most doctors believe in God, afterlife - Health care- msnbc.com
76% of Doctors believe in God. Highest paid and just about the hardest profession to get into academically.
Its turns out were not all stupid, or live in the 19th century.

Their belief in God might be a coping mechanism, especially considering those doctors who deal with death on a daily basis. It may become far more difficult to see people die right in front of you when you don't believe in God, whereas if you subscribe to God & heaven, then you may be comforted by the thought that this person has moved on. On the other hand, if you don't believe in God, then the person has simply died. There is no comfort.
 
They know more and more about less and less, I'm sure.
Check this article.
Survey: Most doctors believe in God, afterlife - Health care- msnbc.com
76% of Doctors believe in God. Highest paid and just about the hardest profession to get into academically.
Its turns out were not all stupid, or live in the 19th century.

Belief in God is very ambiguous, and I'd wager most of those doctors are hardly fundamentalists/orthodox, etc. A medical doctorate is a purely applied degree, there is no basic research involved. Get to the doctorates that challenge actual physical principles (Ph.Ds in chemistry, biology, physics, biochemistry, math, etc) and then see what the percentage is. I'm not an atheist, but I'm certainly no religious fundamentalist either.

Also allow me to be a dick for a second here and say there are a lot harder professions to get into academically
 
There should be God. But chance is He is way different than what all of us think.

As for religion, it's what politician make up to change the focal nash equilibrium.

Say I am an emperor. I can honestly say that I am an emperor because I killed the last one, and I managed to pay brahmana to convince the whole world that I got Mandate from heaven.

I won't be emperor for too long. Soon, another opportunist will kill me and hire western PR expert to bullshit the world that he is Jesus' brother/sister/whatever. And then another one will kill him and hire me, to spam forums with ideologies, etc.

So basically if I have a good time, I like to keep things that way. I do not want people to change things. A way to do it is to convince the world that some God or something have decided that.

I would say that I am an emperor not because I want to be the emperor and have done many tricks to achieve that. I would say that I am an emperor because God wants me to be the emperor and there is nothing in the world that can change that. How do you convince a God to change his mind anyway?

It makes people believe that my status quo cannot be changed. Even if people want to change it, they won't know because they do not understand what's going on. In ancient Hindu, Sudra must not learn Veda. In ancient Christianity, bible cannot be interpreted. The same goes for Muslim till now. In western civilization, kids cannot watch porn. We are hidden from even think of changing the status quo, let alone changing it.

But how do we make people believe on things that are false? Simple. Faith.

Now about focal nash equilibrium. Say I rode a bike and you also road a bike. One of us need to move out or otherwise we'll hit each other. Say I believe, and openly say, that God told me to move anyway and that I will go to heaven with 1000 hot babe if I die in bike crash. Would you move out?

Here both you moving out and I moving out is a nash equilibrium. When one of us is determined to go forward the other will be better of chickening out.

That's why armies burn ships. That's why martyrs die even though they are tortured. That sets a precedent to all emperors that they can't force others to worship and kowtow them and hence they'd better yield and embrace more egalitarian right. Believes are very self fullfiling. Faith does move mountain, either positively or negatively.
 
Er.... wasn't Jefferson himself a liberal?

He certainly seemed to agree with many aspects of liberalism... did that make him fucking stupid?