Does Liberalism Make You Fuckin Stupid?

papajohn56 said:
Because the context of "turning the other cheek" was not mentioned, because the actual story doesn't mean for you to not protect yourself or family.
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But it was so obvious what context he was saying it in. And you're saying that as if its fact and widely accepted. The first Christians were pacifists so to be honest I trust their interpretation of Jesus, as they basically knew him. These other interpretations just spring out of the fact that pacifism is inconvenient, and people will find any way possible of justifying something they support.

EDIT: also the fact that he sought to see the best in people would probably mean he would despise the Bush doctrine.

To slap someone in return because they slapped you is one thing he clearly disagreed with, but to slap someone because you suspect they might slap you is another thing altogether.

I support(ed) the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, but then I'm not a Christian.
 


So popeye, when all the stuff you post about all the time continues to happen are you just going to move in to a cave in the wilderness or what? I mean what is your solution, kill the stupid people? That would be going against the principals that the Jefferson quote speaks to. Are you going to educate them? Not by posting insults.

The thing is that the assault on Jefferson's principals is coming from all sides at this point. What he warns of in that quote is happening right now and it has nothing to do with god. What Jefferson said in that quote is that when personal liberties are no longer respected as something very important ("god-given" even) that bad things will surely be coming.

We're there, Jefferson is right, you are right, now what?
 
Jefferson considered himself a deist; he also considered himself a follower of Jesus. This is not a contradiction, in Jefferson's view, because he believed Jesus to be merely human, not divine, and believed the precepts Jesus taught to be deistical. Much of traditional Christianity, Jefferson claimed, was error and corruption added by later followers of Jesus.
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To add to this, atheists identify with Jefferson’s harsh criticisms of Christianity. They then wrongly assume he must be an atheist, indeed because they are desperately looking for a reflection of themselves in historical figures to further validate their worldview. They then reject contradictory evidence.

In defense of the ”stupid” liberals, it would be very dangerous for Jefferson to publicly admit to disbelief in a personal God in those days (if it were the case). Most people don’t tend to become disbelievers overnight and Jefferson might have been shedding his old Christian ideals over time. We can quote the guy all day but will never know what he really thought.
 
Look People, Ron Paul Libertarians are the only smart people in politics. The rest can suck on my 7 inch cock.
 
avatar33 said:
God exists because random does not exist. Our existence, the trees, animals, planets, could not have randomly appeared there... There was an original intention behind creation, an energy, a bearded man, a mathematical equation or whatever, it doesnt' matter... that is your god

Same thing as when you throw a dice, the result is not random, it involves tons of equations including at which speed you threw it, where you threw it, how you threw it etc etc etc.... It's simply too complicated to explain and involves millions of equations... so we decided to call it random to simplify our lives. In this example you are the intention behind it.
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This can be applied to 9/11 too

9/11 was an inside job because a bunch of conqincidences dont happen all at once.

-Building 7
-Explosions heard base of the towers
-Phone calls being made from 30,000 feed with 2001 cell phone technology.
-No plane debree from the one that hit the pentagon
-Pull It
-Larry silverstein geting an insurance policy on terrorism 6 months before the attacks

The list goes on.

No Homo
 
turbolapp said:
So was Jesus. But considering most self proclaimed christians don't follow any real teaching from the man it's not too hard to believe they forget his social ideologies.
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I wouldn't say liberal. The new testament talks against homosexuality, and talks about proselytizing Christianity by force at times.
 
papajohn56 said:
I wouldn't say liberal. The new testament talks against homosexuality, and talks about proselytizing Christianity by force at times.
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Mark 8:34
The first condition of proselytism among the Jews was, that he that came to embrace their religion should come voluntarily, and that neither force nor influence should be employed in this business. This is also the first condition required by Jesus Christ, and which he considers as the foundation of all the rest:—If a man be willing to come after me.

where does jesus talk about using force?

jesus also said that you should give all your possessions to the poor, so right wing protection of private property contradicts this.

He also said that its harder for a rich man to go to heaven than it is for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. Interesting since you could probably classify the majority of people in developed countries as being rich.
 
I would say that most politically neutral/indifferent people would hold the belief that being on the right wing makes you stupid.

You only have to look at Fox News for example to see how propaganda is constantly being shoved down right wing America's throat and seemingly accepted without question.. The stuff that was said during the health care debate was crazy.

Thank god we have the BBC :)
 
popeye said:
So your the person I should listen to when it comes to sprituallity ? Your just some dumb fuck idiot kid on the web. Give me proof that my beliefs are wrong! You and the "Real" scientist can't even prove how the earth was born. Why should I listen to you.

P.S I can't provide proof that my position is correct, please provide solid evidence that yours is.......or shut the fuck up.
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The burden of proof is on you. How the fuck can't you get that simple concept through your head?

"You and the "Real" scientist can't even prove how the earth was born. Why should I listen to you."

Irrelevant.
 
Speaking of Thomas Jefferson, apparently the Texas State Board of Education thinks that "not conservative enough" Jefferson is no longer relevant when it comes to our history; and that the more religious/conservative founding fathers should be emphasized.

- Thomas Jefferson no longer included among writers influencing the nation’s intellectual origins. Jefferson, a deist who helped pioneer the legal theory of the separation of church and state, is not a model founder in the board’s judgment. Among the intellectual forerunners to be highlighted in Jefferson’s place: medieval Catholic philosopher St. Thomas Aquinas, Puritan theologian John Calvin and conservative British law scholar William Blackstone. Heavy emphasis is also to be placed on the founding fathers having been guided by strict Christian beliefs.
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source - U.S. history textbooks could soon be flavored heavily with Texas conservatism - Yahoo! News

I don't even know wtf is going on anymore.
 
popeye said:
NO...he did state that he is a Christian. I am not a radical, so it matters not to me. It just pisses me off that the little kid liberals of today accept ANYTHING they read on the internet. Learn to read real books and learn to think for yourself.
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In general, can't someone have one belief at one point in their life and change their beliefs later on? So couldn't be be a christian at one point and a Diest in another?

You can't attribute a belief to an entire person's life based on a quote from one period.

p.s. i am Conservative and i am just trying to make an objective point on the stupidity of labeling his beliefs for his whole life based on quotes (unless you have consistent quotes saying the same thing throughout his entire life)
 
I probably should have made another thread, but I'm going to just bump this instead.

Texas is, in effect, BANNING Thomas Jefferson, one of the leading and most direct influences to the Constitution (the philosophy by which our country should be governed), from being taught about in public schools.

While Texas is making irrelevant one of the leading promoters of individual religious freedom (separation of Church and State), all because "he's not Christian enough," we're arguing over each other's religious preferences.

Jesus fucking Christ.
 
blueRAP said:
Speaking of Thomas Jefferson, apparently the Texas State Board of Education thinks that "not conservative enough" Jefferson is no longer relevant when it comes to our history; and that the more religious/conservative founding fathers should be emphasized.



source - U.S. history textbooks could soon be flavored heavily with Texas conservatism - Yahoo! News

I don't even know wtf is going on anymore.
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Hilarious how you buy the propaganda in that article. What basically happened is some liberal bitches are crying because they couldn't erase American history, so they're fearmongering sheeple like you into thinking something big and bad is happening.

What essentially happened is the libs on that board wanted to erase early American history from the textbooks and start at the mid 1800's. Normal people were like, "Fuck no, we're gonna include the Founders, the Declaration, etc..", and now the libs are crying like the little bitches they are. And you're just swallowing their lies.
 
blueRAP said:
Speaking of Thomas Jefferson, apparently the Texas State Board of Education thinks that "not conservative enough" Jefferson is no longer relevant when it comes to our history; and that the more religious/conservative founding fathers should be emphasized.



source - U.S. history textbooks could soon be flavored heavily with Texas conservatism - Yahoo! News

I don't even know wtf is going on anymore.
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Its ridiculous, a couple nut jobs and massive domino effects

this segment on the daily show wasn't even about Jefferson - Video: Don't Mess With Textbooks | The Daily Show | Comedy Central
 
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