E! True Hollywood Story - Jon Fisher - Phase II
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A lot of interesting opinions and comments on here. Soaking it up and taking my time to put final touches on the strategies so long as they align with the overall vision. Please respect the process at least.
I used to proclaim things on very ambitious time frames and then not meet those objectives because I just assumed everyone working with me was just as enthusiastic as I was... and they weren't. I'm not blaming them, but rather myself instead. It was those unrealistic expectations I put onto others and demanded results and then disappearing into the darkness to handle, whatever the fuck I was focused on elsewhere, leaving them to hold it and run with it.
So right this moment, as I'm soaking up the opinions, the criticism (valid or not, doesn't really matter anymore), seeing old faces/names reappear, participating in healthy and fun convos, I'm rather glad to see how things have turned out up until now. Regardless of how much bigger and more active this place once was. I'd rather have it than not.
Let me be VERY clear here, on a few important points specifically.
1- WickedFire will no longer be an affiliate, internet marketing only, or even seo kind of watchdog or forum.
2- WickedFire will no longer be guilty by association for being tied to anything blackhat, shady, scammy, etc.
3- The way we're currently testing out our handling of scammers is light years ahead of anything out there by comparison. Heh, if you thought I was tough before, you aint seen nothing yet. (lawyers are just happy as pigs in shit over this one)
4- There are other forums out there. If you don't see the value in this place, free or paid, don't come here. Hell, I don't want you wasting your precious time here anyway. I can assure you, your naive criticism of this place is going to fall on deaf ears.
5- Raids for lulz and trolling (though, it should be done in more of a satirical sense not a mean dickhead way, unless the person is a pedo or just an outright scumbag, then have at it you mitzvah man!) will be encouraged within the open forum for as long as it stays open. However will not be tolerated in the paid sections. We still need to attract a larger more diverse audience, and hell, we don't want anyone not aligned with our culture to make it into the paid areas unless they deserve it.
6- The audiences we're going to target are more general entrepreneurial, born hustler mindset, start up culture, people of all color, creed, gender, nationality, age etc that just have that desire inside of them to want to know more but lack the push necessary to do so.
7- Same as above'ish but with a much higher experience level under their belt. Those who are far more accomplished but have grown bored or stagnant in their current areas of business or career focus.
Numbers 6 & 7 are what we'll be grouping you guys into, two primary categories, two pretty fair price models, both well under $100.
Even though I've gone on and on about contributing.. I realize it's a losing game for me to require it. So those of you that are up for it, you'll be compensated for it. Those who aren't, well, you will have delayed access to the good stuff. I want to keep things fair and even.
The outer/free forum part, like this place, will be expanding too. However it will be more of a cock tease in terms of content. We'll also be adding a far more robust marketplace at a greatly reduced fee. HOWEVER the paid areas will have it's own sellers that we'll hand pick and vouch for, this way god forbid one of them steps over the line and scams, outing them on it will be the least of their worries. Pepper that ass if you catch my drift, bitch.
All paid members will be invited to beta test all products/services that WE produce or test out, free of charge (unless it's something srsly resource intensive or instantly profitable, like the portfolio assets).
I'll be finishing up the lists of what you can expect and what you shouldn't expect on it, by end of today. But I won't release it until I am dead set on how much of this stuff is going to remain on the forum vs another platform (same account creds to login at a content portal). Not trying to be complex or confusing but I am trying to factor in how things can work out easier for everyone. Anyway, work in progress.
Total commitment, time wise for all of this to take place over.... two years. So from this moment on, let's assume WickedFire itself has gone back into soft re-launch mode. It's going to take some time and I want to do things the right way this time, but not as slow as you may think. Just being totally realistic here. Gradual changes and handling things with care and respect is what I'll be doing and managing, personally. Our staff is pretty limited, but we're adding some new folk to the mix.
The end goal here, the real vision... is to turn WickedFire into a business incubator. Because that's really where I see the most value that this place has a strong and long history of inspiring in people to set out and accomplish for themselves with the help of a strong community of some really great people, and a few shitty ones.
I see the future of the WickedFire brand as a different kind of nurturing and tough love culture of like minded folk that have real conviction and purpose at their core character. Building people up and offering them the support and guidance necessary throughout the entire process is just one factor that I see the world of business and the whole VC industry just lacking. This isn't some cry for help or pointing fingers at this or that and slut shaming them, I've always wanted to make a great difference on people's lives by empowering them and leading by example on just how they can find the power within themselves if they are ready for it, open to guidance without coddling, and realizing that it's a journey by adventure of risk and reward, not a goddamn marathon! (who the hell wants to run for so long anyway!?) -- I'm also very anti-pitching to VC's and anyone with funds, I want to show everyone how being successful without those fools is worth more than anything you'll ever know or experience for the rest of your days.
So yeah.. WickedFire is just a forum now... but it's about to be so much more. If you don't see value in that, well... (I promised to not be insulting like I want to, so please just leave here and don't make a fuss about it... otherwise... drama..)
A lot of interesting opinions and comments on here. Soaking it up and taking my time to put final touches on the strategies so long as they align with the overall vision. Please respect the process at least.
I used to proclaim things on very ambitious time frames and then not meet those objectives because I just assumed everyone working with me was just as enthusiastic as I was... and they weren't. I'm not blaming them, but rather myself instead. It was those unrealistic expectations I put onto others and demanded results and then disappearing into the darkness to handle, whatever the fuck I was focused on elsewhere, leaving them to hold it and run with it.
So right this moment, as I'm soaking up the opinions, the criticism (valid or not, doesn't really matter anymore), seeing old faces/names reappear, participating in healthy and fun convos, I'm rather glad to see how things have turned out up until now. Regardless of how much bigger and more active this place once was. I'd rather have it than not.
Let me be VERY clear here, on a few important points specifically.
1- WickedFire will no longer be an affiliate, internet marketing only, or even seo kind of watchdog or forum.
2- WickedFire will no longer be guilty by association for being tied to anything blackhat, shady, scammy, etc.
3- The way we're currently testing out our handling of scammers is light years ahead of anything out there by comparison. Heh, if you thought I was tough before, you aint seen nothing yet. (lawyers are just happy as pigs in shit over this one)
4- There are other forums out there. If you don't see the value in this place, free or paid, don't come here. Hell, I don't want you wasting your precious time here anyway. I can assure you, your naive criticism of this place is going to fall on deaf ears.
5- Raids for lulz and trolling (though, it should be done in more of a satirical sense not a mean dickhead way, unless the person is a pedo or just an outright scumbag, then have at it you mitzvah man!) will be encouraged within the open forum for as long as it stays open. However will not be tolerated in the paid sections. We still need to attract a larger more diverse audience, and hell, we don't want anyone not aligned with our culture to make it into the paid areas unless they deserve it.
6- The audiences we're going to target are more general entrepreneurial, born hustler mindset, start up culture, people of all color, creed, gender, nationality, age etc that just have that desire inside of them to want to know more but lack the push necessary to do so.
7- Same as above'ish but with a much higher experience level under their belt. Those who are far more accomplished but have grown bored or stagnant in their current areas of business or career focus.
Numbers 6 & 7 are what we'll be grouping you guys into, two primary categories, two pretty fair price models, both well under $100.
Even though I've gone on and on about contributing.. I realize it's a losing game for me to require it. So those of you that are up for it, you'll be compensated for it. Those who aren't, well, you will have delayed access to the good stuff. I want to keep things fair and even.
The outer/free forum part, like this place, will be expanding too. However it will be more of a cock tease in terms of content. We'll also be adding a far more robust marketplace at a greatly reduced fee. HOWEVER the paid areas will have it's own sellers that we'll hand pick and vouch for, this way god forbid one of them steps over the line and scams, outing them on it will be the least of their worries. Pepper that ass if you catch my drift, bitch.
All paid members will be invited to beta test all products/services that WE produce or test out, free of charge (unless it's something srsly resource intensive or instantly profitable, like the portfolio assets).
I'll be finishing up the lists of what you can expect and what you shouldn't expect on it, by end of today. But I won't release it until I am dead set on how much of this stuff is going to remain on the forum vs another platform (same account creds to login at a content portal). Not trying to be complex or confusing but I am trying to factor in how things can work out easier for everyone. Anyway, work in progress.
Total commitment, time wise for all of this to take place over.... two years. So from this moment on, let's assume WickedFire itself has gone back into soft re-launch mode. It's going to take some time and I want to do things the right way this time, but not as slow as you may think. Just being totally realistic here. Gradual changes and handling things with care and respect is what I'll be doing and managing, personally. Our staff is pretty limited, but we're adding some new folk to the mix.
The end goal here, the real vision... is to turn WickedFire into a business incubator. Because that's really where I see the most value that this place has a strong and long history of inspiring in people to set out and accomplish for themselves with the help of a strong community of some really great people, and a few shitty ones.
I see the future of the WickedFire brand as a different kind of nurturing and tough love culture of like minded folk that have real conviction and purpose at their core character. Building people up and offering them the support and guidance necessary throughout the entire process is just one factor that I see the world of business and the whole VC industry just lacking. This isn't some cry for help or pointing fingers at this or that and slut shaming them, I've always wanted to make a great difference on people's lives by empowering them and leading by example on just how they can find the power within themselves if they are ready for it, open to guidance without coddling, and realizing that it's a journey by adventure of risk and reward, not a goddamn marathon! (who the hell wants to run for so long anyway!?) -- I'm also very anti-pitching to VC's and anyone with funds, I want to show everyone how being successful without those fools is worth more than anything you'll ever know or experience for the rest of your days.
So yeah.. WickedFire is just a forum now... but it's about to be so much more. If you don't see value in that, well... (I promised to not be insulting like I want to, so please just leave here and don't make a fuss about it... otherwise... drama..)
You're a mod at another forum that you decided to take action there rather than here. You didn't think I knew how to use this crazy intrewebs thing of tubes and unicorns eh?
I can get all mean about it but I won't because you did a solid job here as a mod when you were on point and wanted to be active. Same goes for the others. Initially I was going to "do the right and polite" gesture and approach each mod separably, thanking them for their years of service and tolerance... but the truth of it, is that most of you have directly benefited too, in fact, you guys def did. That was the trade-off.. and on top of that, over the last few years none of you were as active as you could have been.
You left with others and that's how you took action. This isn't the first time, but this is absolutely the last time I'll ever tolerate that kind of behavior from anyone on here as a moderator.
Since demoting all of you... has anything changed drastically, in terms of content curating, spam control, security issues, scammers dealt with properly, etc? Actually activity has picked up because I came back here and took over again.
When was the last time you, Barman or any of the long time active moderators did anything significant here? Do you even remember?
I came back and admitted my lack of focus and dropping the ball and took blame because I own the place. You came here instead looking for a nod of respect and an apology from me.
Would you like me to draw you a map to where those two things are located currently and will be sent directly to over there??
Perhaps the time has come for you and any other disgruntled moderator chiming in on here looking for answers to do what you guys do best. Say nothing and do nothing and just let things fall where they may, because it's not your problem anymore.
Now please, have some self respect and give me a while to follow through and process things again. I don't hate you guys, but I'm really disappointed in what many of you respectable leaders took from here and quickly forgot what to give back in return. You treat me with disrespect and disregard, I'll treat you like the whore you are right back.
Important note: This isn't all of the mods, some of them were fucking excellent, even Emp did some great things over the years, but a few were just... shits.. or became shits after a period of time. It's dealt with now. Time to move on.
Yes. Absolutely.
I outlined a conceptual strategy for a business crash course primer for India specifically, since I'm a big fan of Indian work ethic in general.
I wanted to do something in the future with Russians and Chinese coders too, because they are just so untapped for greatness. But, we'll have to take that as a one miracle at a time kinda deal.
First need to get this place fixed up and revamped, then I'll tackle those arenas afterwards.
First... I'm not a damn guru. I hate when people say silly shit like that.
Second... You won't be banned for constructive criticism, actually I'm glad you use critical thinking and it would be fucking absurd for everyone to think this is a good idea or that it's a good fit for them. It won't be. That's just not even possible..
You also make a bunch of wrong assumptions and base an opinion around those, which justify the whole basis of the skepticism you're using as your platform topic in the first place.
You're assuming that I'm sitting here saying "I've got a change of heart and I want to help you, save you, save the world, and save the fuckin whales while we're at it!" -- Actually, I'd save the whales first before saving you or anyone else for that matter, because those whales are up against some nasty humans and they need all the help they can get. Plus, whales don't have wallets, so it would be a selfless responsibility... anyway, I got away from the point...
The point here is that it takes a shitload of time, money, patience etc to run something properly.
You can criticize the fuck out of that reality all you like, but you'd be wrong. WickedFire is not PBS. We're not a publicly run or funded free service for the good of the people. We're a private company that should have been charging from the beginning but didn't because it was initially created to start something, which it did, and then changed it, which it did too... but it also operated on a very naive scale that people, like you, would volunteer and give back in a "sharing is caring" kind of way, so that money wouldn't have to be a factor.
Just so you know what costs are like now... We've been getting DDoS'ed, every single day straight, for the last NINE YEARS consecutively. Sometimes, like over the last year or so, it's really bad. Like, being told by our security provider "holy shit, we normally see these types of volume attacks on banks! It looks as if the entire country of Iran is attacking your site! Who are you and what did you say to them??" -- Yeah.. thanks guys. -- That costs money. Are you willing to fund it? I doubt it.
Technically, I shouldn't explain any of this to you or anyone else. Not because it's a pride matter, but because it's a private business matter. But I do. I take the time out to try and show you that, even though you ASSUME (wrongly albeit) -- I'm not a tyrant out with a sinister or misleading agenda.
If you truly believe that I am.. then I strongly advise you to log out immediately and never come back. Because you'll be angry at me forever and in the wise words of Sheriff Woody... poison the fuckin water hole.
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You joined here in March 2015. I checked your posts, they are all general shit. Nothing business oriented.
And yet... you think... your opinion should hold weight on any of this?
I disagree. I don't care what you think of me or the forum. Your contribution of said "value" is null.
So I wonder, why comment at all? Why even join here?
Entertainment? Banter?
If that's all, then what type of value were you seeking in the first place oh wise and self entitled to everything but contribute nothing back, one?
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That's your limited contribution. Nonsense. And the most significant post you've made is the one I quoted you on right now.
Did you stop and think before you posted it that.... I would just ignore your history here? Maybe miss the fact that you've been here for possibly six months of the NINE YEARS this forum has operated for?
Did you know that nearly all of the other forums you reference, those admins came from here?
Did you also know that WickedFire single handedly was responsible for the funding of Facebook's self-serve advertising platform AND Myspace's? The members here, funded those two now, well, one at least, conglomerates?
Shit. I wonder if STM or BHW did the same? Nope. Not even fucking close.
You see, you're what we call a piece of shit. You come here, you take, you don't give anything back nor did you ever intend to, but then you decide "I know... I'm going to criticize something now and shake shit up because my opinion = comment = fact" -- Unfortunately for you and much of how people function on the internet now too, you don't consider consequences to anything. You just..... do stuff..... and expect it to work out or not... and go on about your day.
I'm going to find out who you are and see to it you never gain a shred of intel on anything this place is ever involved in again.... And that proxy you logged in on, is weak. You should have upgraded to the paid version over there with the money you made from all of these "secrets of good stuff" that was posted elsewhere, since it's sooooo amazing!
Yes, all of the above.
I don't even want Google indexing the regular public stuff anymore. To hell with them. I had been actively seeing to it that we don't appear for noob aff marketing related keywords for years now... who else do you know would do that? heh.
The archiving and neat organized part is the most challenging.
The 90-day password change will be done away with.
I've got some really interesting "full picture" kinds of reports that I've been writing, adding bits and pieces to over the last few months specifically. -- Nothing hidden.
One of those will be on how the aff marketing industry really works... a break down... naming names... showing proof and based on these crazy things called FACTS.
Another factor is a sub-section of no speculation allowed. Everything there will be fact based and finite. None of this "teasing by answering a question with two more questions mindfuck nonsense" ... like from the tv show Lost... ugh! It seems like everyone is afraid of answering things totally these days or being all PC and legal beagle about it. It's ridiculous. So, finally, some real answers.
Other major topics I've got reports planned on or partially completed on are How to hide in plain sight... How to properly set up asset protection legally for Americans... There are other topics which I won't bother with on here but will openly discuss in there.
However nothing will ever be discussed on anything that's officially classified or even non-officially. Regardless of what one may think or assume about me personally and professionally. There are just some topics I refuse to even participate in.. 9/11 is also one of those topics I will never ever comment on, nor do I ever want to be asked about, so that's def off limits. The whole Ed Snowden debacle, that too, still pretty fresh, open wounds wise to the entire IC/NCS. But active or not, those are things that cannot be confirmed and are all purely speculative now and will remain so forever, especially for me.
Oh, last topic.. the bitcoin stuff and my no bullshit, full story on how my crew gamed it and for what purpose, the proofs and more or less, it's going to be a massive report, so I wanted to do it as a discussion in person or something where minds can be blown and everyone can see just how game-able that entire deal is. (not related to the Mark K nonsense or any of his drama, that boy needs to be locked the fuck up asap.)
Oh wow, Brian. You dun fucked up now...
Should I tell them about your amazing music career? Or about your other account here and the noob style of signing up you did to clearly not protect or hide anything of yourself, except your username... I don't understand the logic on that one. Perhaps your own forum and blog have more info on this and that's what led you to the, what I'll now chalk up to as a 'competitor' of here (I say that lightly because well, your sites suck a dick.. you don't use any privatewhois on the money sites either?!?! BRO. Get with it.) -- So you add that comment purely as a jab thinking you were anonymous eh?
But you used your blog's email alias to register... lol
And the proxy wasn't even anonymous... fuckin transparent shit, looks like one of those free HMA ones that kids who want to log onto Facebook without their naive parents knowing it bypasses their netnanny software block...
Half of your damn Skype convo logs are easily accessible too!
Hrm. If you're trolling me and this is bait, WELL PLAYED....
But I know it's not. You're a fucking idiot dude. Imagine.. all you had to do was keep your shitty comment to yourself, and nothing would have happened. You would have gotten in, seen everything, and learned how to source capital without pitching or begging for it from VC's and Angel investor folk.. And you blew it.
Well, back to making FruityLoopz beats then I guess! You fucking twerp.
I think, besides the much more ambitious plans, a move to paid forums is necessary simply because all the "talk" has moved to paid forums, and something as simple as $99 a month is a good bullshit firewall. As a free/public forum WF just doesn't fill a niche as the #realtalk moved onto paid forums. BHW takes the sleazy shit niche. Warriorforum takes the "marketers" being marketed to niche.
I think a move to a paid forum is necessary for WF's survival.
And I know WF won't be a SEO/AFF whatever forum anymore but it is now.
I think a move to a paid forum is necessary for WF's survival.
And I know WF won't be a SEO/AFF whatever forum anymore but it is now.
Jon, it might be time to skip a dose of adderral in the morning by the way your posts read m8. But I'm definitely interested to see what's to come.
I've only had the opportunity to provide one EM-worthy post and a handful of development and design-related comment contributions, but some of that is due to the gaping vaginal wall that is the lack of modern SaaS discussions happening here.
Even now, many of the WF Skype groups I belong to, people are asking questions like "How do you market to Redditors?" (light-bulb: topic idea) or "Hacker News is full of hipsters". I mean, I'm 28 and can understand the angst against millennials but jesus fuck, it's become painfully clear just how many members of this community don't have an ear to the ground.
Would greatly love to see more startup vibes. I'm specifically interested in meeting more SaaS folks and exchanging data about the long road to building valuable web products, the implication of good UI and UX (which bad marketers generally seem to dismiss) and talking with people who have real scalability problems. A blowjob would be nice, too.
Also, wtf happened to that crazy fuck Dresden? And lol at the "well trained dogs" tag added by someone who hasn't made more than $100 here.
Good luck, here's hoping for good shit.
I've only had the opportunity to provide one EM-worthy post and a handful of development and design-related comment contributions, but some of that is due to the gaping vaginal wall that is the lack of modern SaaS discussions happening here.
Even now, many of the WF Skype groups I belong to, people are asking questions like "How do you market to Redditors?" (light-bulb: topic idea) or "Hacker News is full of hipsters". I mean, I'm 28 and can understand the angst against millennials but jesus fuck, it's become painfully clear just how many members of this community don't have an ear to the ground.
Would greatly love to see more startup vibes. I'm specifically interested in meeting more SaaS folks and exchanging data about the long road to building valuable web products, the implication of good UI and UX (which bad marketers generally seem to dismiss) and talking with people who have real scalability problems. A blowjob would be nice, too.
Also, wtf happened to that crazy fuck Dresden? And lol at the "well trained dogs" tag added by someone who hasn't made more than $100 here.
Good luck, here's hoping for good shit.
I respect what you are doing, but no.
I am not a mod anywhere else. If you are referring to a forum starting with B.. please check again. I am not a mod.
Do I use other forums?
Yes. Everyone does.
And accusing me of not taking action here?
I was very active well after this place went into decline. With Mr. Jon Fisher nowhere to be seen.
I cared about this place and the community in it for a long time.
About your actions right now? Not so much. And I expected nothing.
The "no mentions of mods in there" was not "waaah, he didn't mention me" but a "there was no mention of mods being removed".
If at all, I'd have liked a short message saying "All mods are removed."
I put a lot of work into this place, but it is falling apart.
Will turning it into a paid forum about general entrepreneurship help?
I don't know. You'll find out.
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Ohhhhhhh shit now THERE'S a name I haven't heard for a long, long time!
Win.
Quick Q Jon - what happens to all the posts currently available?
Who knew all this change and revival started with MGrunin?
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