Fucking consumerism. Rant inside.

Ignorance is Bliss...


Take that quote to heart, and you might just be far better off. I seriously worry you think too much, and that can often be a social disorder that A LOT of smart people deal with.
 


...hmmmmmm thinking too much? Now that you said it. I have caught myself doing this quite often.

Same thoughts come and go, you try to analyze everything and everyone. Shiiittt....
 
Sorry for waking up a dead man.

But today I finished watching all the 4 parts of the documentary "Center of Self", and for fuck sake. To all those people that haven't watched it yet - spend 4 hours to watch this movie. I can't even describe it.

Now I understand the term some posters said earlier "You either are the shepherd or the sheep". I mean, what the fuck is wrong with the world, society and, us - humans? How is this even possible? It was a nice reality check for me.

Right after I finished watching the movie, I went up on a roof of a 14 story building with 4 beers and couple of smokes, sat on the edge of the roof and just watched to all the people that were walking/driving beneath me, while listening to this: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lehNhyotCrI"]YouTube - ‪Street Dogs - Free‬‏[/ame]

I can't describe the feeling, now I really feel like an "alien". WTF?

If you haven't done it - watch the movie NOW!. Not tomorrow, fucking
NOW!


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyPzGUsYyKM"]YouTube - ‪The Century Of The Self-Full Length Documentary‬‏[/ame]
 
Ahh... I'm a college student and I now know I'm the only one who's intelligent on this planet!!!
 
You're not stating anything that millions of other 20 year olds around the world have not already said.

Welcome to the real world, only mummy and daddy love you and you're lucky if you have that.

For all of our 20-year old wisdom you have yet to understand that you are 20. You say that you understand and then throw up shallow words to describe your understanding.

"Oh, I went up to the top of the building with beers and looked out at the people......." How many movies has that scene been in?

It seems to me that there are many television shows and movies where the outcast kid that knows more than everyone is the hero. Or college professors that swear spending a few years in the Peace Corps will change your life forever. On and on it goes. So much smarter than everyone else.

Just as with the popularization of Tatoos. What was once a sign of true rebellion or harshness (criminals, military, "bikers") it is now a sign of conformity. Follow this through to your feelings and you are simply identifying with a currently popular subculture.

What I am saying is - You are a conformist.

Why am I writing this.....

You are 20.
 
You don't like sports or go to nightclubs because you think they make you a "sheep"? People don't follow sports or go to clubs to fit in. They do it because they enjoy it. People don't just buy gadgets to inflate their egos and try to impress people. Nearly all gadgets are useful and enjoyable or fun to use. The 42" TV you mentioned? Have you ever actually watched a movie on a big LCD TV compared to a small crappy tube TV? The difference is ridiculous. The BMW you mentioned? That's pretty obvious - most guys get them to impress chicks, which obviously makes them happy in the end if all goes well. The nice clothes and jeans and belts you mentioned? The same exact thing. Your mini-rant about Skype and Facebook? That's probably the most obvious of all. People like socializing and talking to their friends and family. Skype and FaceBook obviously allow that. How could you even remotely argue that you're against Skype and FaceBook because it falls under your umbrella label of consumerism?

Everything you've been bashing more or less provides actual value to the consumer. It's fairly apparent that you just seem to hate everything to do with modern society, probably because you've been influenced by people who try to make you hate it, and it clearly worked. There's nothing wrong with doing things that make you happy or provide entertainment. No one expects long-term happiness from these things. All these BS arguments against consumerism seem very Puritan-like at their roots.

Are there people who ARE shallow and get these clothes just to make themselves feel better, etc? Yes. But that doesn't mean everyone is like that.
 
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Sup bros. The other day I came to the realization that like, people are sheep and stuff, and I realized it when I was just chillin, drinking Budweiser beer and smoking Marlboro Lights cigarettes.
 
You don't like sports or go to nightclubs because you think they make you a "sheep"? People don't follow sports or go to clubs to fit in. They do it because they enjoy it. People don't just buy gadgets to inflate their egos and try to impress people. Nearly all gadgets are useful and enjoyable or fun to use. The 42" TV you mentioned? Have you ever actually watched a movie on a big LCD TV compared to a small crappy tube TV? The difference is ridiculous. The BMW you mentioned? That's pretty obvious - most guys get them to impress chicks, which obviously makes them happy in the end if all goes well. The nice clothes and jeans and belts you mentioned? The same exact thing. Your mini-rant about Skype and Facebook? That's probably the most obvious of all. People like socializing and talking to their friends and family. Skype and FaceBook obviously allow that. How could you even remotely argue that you're against Skype and FaceBook because it falls under your umbrella label of consumerism?

Everything you've been bashing more or less provides actual value to the consumer. It's fairly apparent that you just seem to hate everything to do with modern society, probably because you've been influenced by people who try to make you hate it, and it clearly worked. There's nothing wrong with doing things that make you happy or provide entertainment. No one expects long-term happiness from these things. All these BS arguments against consumerism seem very Puritan-like at their roots.

Are there people who ARE shallow and get these clothes just to make themselves feel better, etc? Yes. But that doesn't mean everyone is like that.
QFT and repped. OP go live in a cave.
 
You basically just summarized my feelings aswell. Fuck it, It's their life, if they want to spend it on pointless things to make them appear to be "happy" then it's their way of doing so.

It does actually make people happier to constantly consume.:rasta:



THIS.

I used to hate materialistic "sheeple" who were being brainwashed by consumerism and such.

But it turns out that such thoughts mostly stemmed from a superiority complex and feelings of jealousy developed during high school. My parents would force me to stay at home to study, while all the other kids were out socializing and having fun. So basically, I just hated them for it and made myself feel better by convincing myself that they were just "stupid".

Now I'm just content to accept people for how they are. I don't argue with them. I don't criticize them. Mainly, I don't really give a shit about them. If they wanna click on my ads and throw away their money on products they don't really need, then so be it. Of course there are some people I do care about, but for everyone else -- I don't give a flying fuck.

I also believe that everyone has the right to choose what they want to do with their own money. People seem to look down upon gamblers as scum. I just say, "who cares?" As long as it's their money and not stolen, they can do whatever the hell they want with it. For another example, I like to dine at expensive restaurants. Some people tell me that's fucking stupid and a waste of money, but I don't give a shit. I thoroughly enjoy eating some expensive food and being treated like a king for an evening. It's my money, I paid for it, so don't hate.
 
Everything you've been bashing more or less provides actual value to the consumer. It's fairly apparent that you just seem to hate everything to do with modern society, probably because you've been influenced by people who try to make you hate it, and it clearly worked. There's nothing wrong with doing things that make you happy or provide entertainment. No one expects long-term happiness from these things. All these BS arguments against consumerism seem very Puritan-like at their roots.

Are there people who ARE shallow and get these clothes just to make themselves feel better, etc? Yes. But that doesn't mean everyone is like that.
I was one of them for the first 28 years of my life. I went to football games, bought shit I didn't need, maxed out lots of credit cards I should never have been given, and basically tried to keep up with the joneses because I felt it was expected of me.

I can honestly say that the VAST MAJORITY of the shit I did and bought was done or bought out of some sense of keeping up with others or even impressing them.

My freaking House certainly was. God I regret that decision especially, and the $8k engagement ring I bought too... Sure I enjoyed being a homeowner and sure I appreciated the look on my wife's face when she saw such a nice ring, but I'd take both decisions back in a heartbeat if I could, along with 1 Million Plus other bad investment decisions.

Lets take a simple example that everyone here can relate to: Beer.

People who buy shit have been sold shit. Plain and simple. If you buy a beer, then somebody sold you that beer. Some commercial, some salesman, somewhere at sometime... You got an image of a beer as a good thing that someone else put there. The desire for it did not originate within you.

Were you thirsty?
Did it taste good?
Did it make you feel great?

...All irrelevant!

Beer is NOT the best at quenching your thirst; Gatoraide would do a better job.

Beer is NOT the best at getting you drunk; some Bacardi 151 would do the job far faster & cheaper.

The only thing you should be asking yourself when you feel like a beer is if it is the best beverage to do the job of quenching your thirst or getting you buzzing. (Unless there is some 3rd reason to drink one I'm not aware of.)

Why? Because all desires are put there by others. So if you discard desire, then you can make the SMARTEST decisions.

No human CREATES a desire for something within themselves... Others tell you what you want, plain and simple. That's the underlying problem here. That's what American Culture hides from us; you should be master of your own desires.

Century of the Self shows you exactly why you aren't. Wake up.

What you're calling "actual value" has no value at all that you'll appreciate in the future.
 
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Lets take a simple example that everyone here can relate to: Beer.

People who buy shit have been sold shit. Plain and simple. If you buy a beer, then somebody sold you that beer. Some commercial, some salesman, somewhere at sometime... You got an image of a beer as a good thing that someone else put there. The desire for it did not originate within you.

Were you thirsty?
Did it taste good?
Did it make you feel great?

...All irrelevant!

Beer is NOT the best at quenching your thirst; Gatoraide would do a better job.

Beer is NOT the best at getting you drunk; some Bacardi 151 would do the job far faster & cheaper.

The only thing you should be asking yourself when you feel like a beer is if it is the best beverage to do the job of quenching your thirst or getting you buzzing. (Unless there is some 3rd reason to drink one I'm not aware of.)

You must drink shitty beer. Newsflash, good beer tastes fucking good, in fact it tastes great! I've been drinking Dos Equis long before their marketing campaign with the Mexican Seah Connery started up.

Spend money when it's worth it, don't when it's not. Fashionably poor hipsters signal 20 times worse than the "sheep".

I found a pic of the OP before he went up to the roof to smoke cigs and do Serious Thinking... ooops, my mistake it's a pic of the archetyical cliched counter culture, anti-establishment, non-consuming outsider that Madison Avenue and Hollywood have been marketing for decades :D
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Gotta agree with lukep for the most part.

Sure, having nice things is nice, but it's so totally overboard in the West that it's almost insane. For example, just look at Black Friday deals within the US. Or a new model of the iPhone comes out, and millions of people immediately rush out to buy one, as if it's one of the most important events of the year.

Or when you goto someone's place for dinner, and have to listen to them droan on while they show off their stupid, useless shit. How their plates are from some small village in Southern Italy, wine glasses are from some winery in Peru, and whatever. As if I'm supposed to be impressed because you were stupid enough to spend $3000 on a set of handmade dishes.

Then you have the special class of IKEA folk... you know the type. These people don't have any money, but care oh-so-much about keeping up with the Jones', so they buy all this cheap, low quality shit from IKEA, with hopes people will be impressed, and think they're important and special. These people are some of the most shallow, hollow, soulless people I've ever met in my life.

As for live and let live, for us on this forum it's easy. We can just make money from home, say 'fuck you' to everyone, and not worry about it. It'd be difficult to do that in the actual workforce though, because people will judge you based on what type of phone you have, how expensive your suits are, what you drive, etc. For example, if you want to work in the Western Canada oil patch (at a good position), you basically have to buy a new truck every 3 years. If you show up on a lease site with a truck that's more than 3 years old, everyone is going to think you're a broke loser.

Back in my younger days, I did the same as lukep too, and it's one of my biggest regrets. Was 20 years old, gave this online business world a shot, and quickly started making a killing. I was loving it. Looking around, and seeing all these 40 year olds going to the office everyday, while knowing I'm making probably 8 times them, with none of the bullshit. Was great.

What did I decide to do though? Figured since I'm making good coin, I should get a nice condo in a highrise, and some fancy leather furniture, nice large screen TV, and a bunch of other stupid shit I didn't need, or care about. Don't know why I did that. I guess just because that's what everyone else does, what was expected of me, and I figured that must be the way to a good life. How wrong I was. Instead of binding myself down into some condo with a bunch of expensive and useless shit, I could have been travelling the world, hanging out on the beaches of Rio, etc.

Anyway, this is more than long enough, so I'll leave it there. Having nice things is nice, but not to the point where you forget you're alive. Because then you wake up one day when you're 60, and realize you pissed the majority of your life away on stupid material shit that doesn't matter, and chasing a dream that doesn't exist (because it's a dream).
 
This seems appropriate. :)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsDuL4jTkz0]YouTube - ‪George Carlin on Consumerism - Edited Audio‬‏[/ame]