Getting ripped and Paleo eating

joshman1204

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I am in pretty decent shape but I want to be totally fucking ripped. I know I probably wont put in the work to sustain that kind of body but I want to do it once just to say I did. Problem is I hate eating pretty much all vegetables and fruits. I have heard of paleo diets but dont know much about it. Anyone here know eat paleo or know if it is even an option for gaining a ton of lean muscle and having a very low body fat.

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If you want to get ripped you need to eat a high protein, low carb diet. Should be eating no more than 50grams of carbs per day. Keep lifting weights.

Very difficult to sustain long term. Longest I went was around 8 weeks till I need a carb re-feed. Once you have hit your body fat goals in terms of % it is much easier to maintain, you will find that you will be living your life in cycles of "off season" and "on season" where your BF% will vary. Most guys use off season to bulk and get stronger, then cut for the summer.

Keep building your muscle mass. If you really don't know where to go for more info try reading some of Kyle McDonalds books.

Lyle McDonald - Bodyrecomposition

Pretty simple though, nearly everyone has great abs hidden under layers of fat. Just need to get rid of the fat.
 
Fuck fruits and vegetables. We've been sold a bill of goods on how to eat healthy. Grains, wheat, flour, sugar - all of that shit is poison.

Paleo and keto are good ways to ease you into Intermittent Fasting, because with a diet that is so high in protein your appetite is essentially non-existant.

Check out Leangains.com if you want to gain lean muscle mass with insanely low body fat%.

LG = IF + Proper Macro Ratios + Proper Workout (2x/wk, compound lifts, high weight, low reps, no cardio) + Fasted Training (Optional)

At its core, the LG method doesn't care where the macros come from - as long as you hit the proper ratios. You've got people hitting their carb macros with chocolate cake and shit...

Leangains.com has tons of information about the scientific basis of LG, IF, and fasted training but Martin Berkhan is a bit of a rambling writer. Check out the links on the leangains reddit for some concise guides on how to do it.

GS
 
Im no expert on health but you have to be careful eating all/mainly protein. I did it and developed gout in my foot which is about the most painful thing ever....This is a known side effect of eating mainly protein.
 
Im no expert on health but you have to be careful eating all/mainly protein. I did it and developed gout in my foot which is about the most painful thing ever....This is a known side effect of eating mainly protein.

Why would you eat mainly protein?

2g protein per kg bodyweight per day, then make sure you get plenty of healthy fats and lots of vegetables. Then add some carbs on top of that unless you are trying to lose weight.
 
Im no expert on health but you have to be careful eating all/mainly protein. I did it and developed gout in my foot which is about the most painful thing ever....This is a known side effect of eating mainly protein.

Nah, high protein diets have nothing to do with gout, it's been proven too.

Recent studies have found dietary factors once believed associated are, in fact, not, including the intake of purine-rich vegetables (e.g., beans, peas, lentils, and spinach) and total protein.

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The level of consumption of purine-rich vegetables and the total protein intake were not associated with an increased risk of gout.

Although eating tons of meat is correlated.

Epidemiology of gout. [Cleve Clin J Med. 2008] - PubMed - NCBI

The main risks of diets very high in protein are to your kidneys, but you're talking 400g+ a day of protein before that's a serious concern. Just make sure you keep yourself well hydrated by drinking plenty of water.

I'm 20 days into the velocity diet at the moment, on 200-250g of protein a day, 1200/1500 (non-workout/workout days) calories, and I'm fine.
 
I don't see much alternative to eating lots of fruits and vegetables next to your proteins, which really is the essence of paleo. Our ancestors foraged for nuts, berries, root vegetables, edible plants. I would look for alternatives to the vegetables you grew up with, different ways of preparing them, whatever. Just find a way to like them.

Weight gain got out of control here at casa flaming panties, as I was unable to stay with any diet for more than a few days. I don't know why, just saying. I forced myself to finally deal with this using an unconventional method: I booked myself for a long distance trip in March that will be extremely strenuous. Worked wonders. I'm sticking to a modified paleo regimen since late December, cutting out carbs by 2/3. I lost a lot of inches from my stomach and small amounts from all over. Running on the treadmill every day wearing a weighted belt doesn't hurt either. As I become more fit I add metal bars to the belt.

I think I got good value from the trip booking, as the enforced weight loss is probably saving my health.

Tip for whatever stage you're at: ditch your old frying pans for nonstick cookware. I was using lots of oil in my expensive Calphalon pans. Food still stuck! I bought a pair of inexpensive "green" ceramic surface nonstick cookware that's fume-free and safe. Use just a dot of oil and food rolls right off. I think this is saving me at least 100 calories a day.

GLB (Good Luck Bros)
 
I eat Paleo.

First if you really want to learn then buy the Primal Blueprint which is an awesome walkthrough for Paleo lifestyle.

When I first went Paleo I was in pretty poor shape. 24% body fat with a skinny-fat body and low energy. Within 3 months of going on it I lost 20 pounds of fat, actually gained some muscle definition without weight exercise and felt incredible. My income also went up substantially because I was working like a beast.

The hard part is getting on the train though -I tried a few times before and I just couldn't keep up. I was used to easy eating from boxes that I could open and eat within a minute.

I got around this by making things simple for me in the beginning.

Here's how:

Morning I would always eating two whole eggs, 3 slices of chicken bacon and optionally an apple with a little bit of organic peanut butter.

Keeping your breakfast super simple is key because once that falls in line its easier to keep momentum. I don't like to think in the mornings what I'll make. I make this in 10 minutes and down it in 2.

For other meals what worked best for me is keeping it equally simple;

1 part meat, one part vegetables. Usually chopped chicken breast cooked on a pan (5 minutes) with a large handful of prewashed mixed greens (bought in plastic container. Once you're in to this switch out to organic and ditch the plastic) I would use fried onions on top to give more flavor which allowed me to ditch dressing.

so

MEAT (chicken breast or thin beef) + LARGE PORTION MIXED GREENS + FRIED ONIONS

Works everytime.

To keep it from being repetitive I would switch out the meats and I would buy some of the premade meat spices (montreal chicken etc)

I would also add something new beside the meal as a desert;

-greek yoghurt (pretty good)
-oranges
-apple with peanut butter (always works)

I also cut out ALL grains (no bread, etc) and almost all dairy.

The problem is when starting out most of us try and go perfect -it doesn't work. Going from eating cereal to cooking up a $50 dinner does NOT work. Keep it simple.

One part meat, one part mixed greens and one part fruit. You can later add and to this if you feel like it but at it's core thats it. Don't fuck around with soups, gravies, dressings or anything that require skills. Slab of meat + handful of greens keeps it about as simple as possible. If a chimp in the zoo couldn't cook up your meal then don't even try.

Every meal takes a max 10 minutes to make from standing up to sitting down.

Important rules:
  • NO grains
  • Large portion of protein with every meal (I keep it around 30-40 grams. DON'T COUNT. Meat will make this automatic) Hunger is the number 1 killer of diets. Protein kills hunger.
  • Meats (keep it easy. Either chicken breast (chopped or strips) or thin slices of beef.
  • Vegetables. Keep it easy at first. Go with mixed greens. No chopping involved. Grab and throw.

And when you're hungry or cravinh sugar or carbs eat some apples with peanut butter, oranges or other sugary but relatively healthy fruits.

Drink a lot of green tea/black tea. It works in accelerating weight loss.

Don't worry about fats or cholesterol. I did blood tests 6 months in and my T was doubled, cholesterol normal and everything else perfect.

To make exercise fool proof...

Set up a fail-proof work room. As IM's I'm guessing most of us sit our ass in front of a PC for most of the day. TURN THAT IN TO FAT LOSS.

I bought some treadmills and put a few flat screens on wall mounts and work that way. I stole this idea from some other Wicked poster (forget who sorry!) and damn it, it works!! It's free health and calorie burning while my bank account grows. I don't even have to pay attention. I work, scratch my ass, watching movies all the while I walk at 1.7mph.

I have a defined muscle tone now and am a fucking beast when it comes to getting shit done. First thing I noticed was that I was sleeping less and waking up at 7 (11 was normal for me) and getting straight to work. It's WORTH IT.
 
I don't see much alternative to eating lots of fruits and vegetables next to your proteins, which really is the essence of paleo. Our ancestors foraged for nuts, berries, root vegetables, edible plants. I would look for alternatives to the vegetables you grew up with, different ways of preparing them, whatever. Just find a way to like them.

Weight gain got out of control here at casa flaming panties, as I was unable to stay with any diet for more than a few days. I don't know why, just saying. I forced myself to finally deal with this using an unconventional method: I booked myself for a long distance trip in March that will be extremely strenuous. Worked wonders. I'm sticking to a modified paleo regimen since late December, cutting out carbs by 2/3. I lost a lot of inches from my stomach and small amounts from all over. Running on the treadmill every day wearing a weighted belt doesn't hurt either. As I become more fit I add metal bars to the belt.

I think I got good value from the trip booking, as the enforced weight loss is probably saving my health.

Tip for whatever stage you're at: ditch your old frying pans for nonstick cookware. I was using lots of oil in my expensive Calphalon pans. Food still stuck! I bought a pair of inexpensive "green" ceramic surface nonstick cookware that's fume-free and safe. Use just a dot of oil and food rolls right off. I think this is saving me at least 100 calories a day.

GLB (Good Luck Bros)

There's nothing wrong with oil bro. Coconut oil or extra virgin olive oil is good for you. If you're not losing weight because of 100 calories a day then you're doing it wrong.

That said I agree with your recommendation for the pan. I use the same and it's great. But it's making it a PITA for someone starting out. Use whatever crap pan you have. Once you notice the difference in energy you'll be motivated to take it to another level and go out and buy better pans, etc.
 
If you want to get ripped you need to eat a high protein, low carb diet. Should be eating no more than 50grams of carbs per day. Keep lifting weights.

Very difficult to sustain long term. Longest I went was around 8 weeks till I need a carb re-feed. Once you have hit your body fat goals in terms of % it is much easier to maintain, you will find that you will be living your life in cycles of "off season" and "on season" where your BF% will vary. Most guys use off season to bulk and get stronger, then cut for the summer.

Keep building your muscle mass. If you really don't know where to go for more info try reading some of Kyle McDonalds books.

Lyle McDonald - Bodyrecomposition

Pretty simple though, nearly everyone has great abs hidden under layers of fat. Just need to get rid of the fat.


50g of carbs a day is good for rapid weight loss but makes it a huge PITA tracking. Also kills energy levels especially if you're doing any exercise at all.

From my experience tracking macro nutrients is really hard starting out. Eat lean meats, vegetables and a bit of fruits and you'll lose weight and gain energy along the way on its own -if you're not after 3 weeks then look in to your numbers more. Right now I'm eating about 80g of carbs a day which is a good maintenance level. You could go up to 100-130 and be fine. But getting lost in the numbers is a big turn off for someone looking for a simple change for massive results. I agree with tim ferris on the concept of minimum effective dose (his diet is shit btw) Follow the simplest changes for the maximum results.
 
50g of carbs a day is good for rapid weight loss but makes it a huge PITA tracking. Also kills energy levels especially if you're doing any exercise at all.

From my experience tracking macro nutrients is really hard starting out. Eat lean meats, vegetables and a bit of fruits and you'll lose weight and gain energy along the way on its own -if you're not after 3 weeks then look in to your numbers more. Right now I'm eating about 80g of carbs a day which is a good maintenance level. You could go up to 100-130 and be fine. But getting lost in the numbers is a big turn off for someone looking for a simple change for massive results. I agree with tim ferris on the concept of minimum effective dose (his diet is shit btw) Follow the simplest changes for the maximum results.

If you try to do it all at once (counting macros, calories, not missing a day of your work out, preparing healthy meals, etc) you'll definitely fail. I know because I've done it countless times. If you take it step by step, it becomes habitual and you slowly do it without the voice in your head that makes you lazy about doing stuff like that.

With regards to specifically counting calories and macros, once you have a good idea of the macros in what should be the staples of your diet (oats, eggs, chicken, veggies, etc), it becomes much easier and you can eventually ween your way out of tracking everything by pen and paper (apps, whatever).
 
That's really not that much. For a 200 pound guy, 200g of protein is macro maintenance. 250-300g for a bulk...
I'd eat even more than that if I'm seriously bulking. I'm at 180 now and I'm eating 270g per day at the minimum in about 6 meals.