Going Vegan
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Meat Eating Behind Evolutionary Success of Humankind
Meat eating behind evolutionary success of humankind, global population spread, study suggests
Thanks for contributing to the eventual downfall of all mankind....asshole.
Meat eating behind evolutionary success of humankind, global population spread, study suggests
Thanks for contributing to the eventual downfall of all mankind....asshole.
Vegan since January 2009.
Vegan has ZERO to do with health. Absolutely zero. If your only concern is being healthy, just fucking be healthy. Eat lean meat, eat fruits and vegetables, and exercise. It's not rocket science.
I went vegan for animal rights purposes, which is really the only sensible reason to go vegan.
I challenge one person to give me a single reason why killing people is wrong but killing animals is fine.
Some people go vegan for environmental reasons, which I get. But the truth is that our environment is going to shit whether everyone eats veggies or not. Eating meat just accelerates our own self-destruction by 10x because the animal industry is the biggest global contributor to greenhouse gases.
Vegan has ZERO to do with health. Absolutely zero. If your only concern is being healthy, just fucking be healthy. Eat lean meat, eat fruits and vegetables, and exercise. It's not rocket science.
I went vegan for animal rights purposes, which is really the only sensible reason to go vegan.
I challenge one person to give me a single reason why killing people is wrong but killing animals is fine.
Some people go vegan for environmental reasons, which I get. But the truth is that our environment is going to shit whether everyone eats veggies or not. Eating meat just accelerates our own self-destruction by 10x because the animal industry is the biggest global contributor to greenhouse gases.
wow this thread just took a turn for the worse
just eat healthy, happy animals from legit farms. and if you really feel bad, do what the native americans did and talk to your food
also yes soy is hidden in a ton of foods but if you're not a retard and can read ingredients its not that hard to avoid...if you eat real unprocessed food you should rarely encounter it
and finally, m0rtal, you don't have to be a vegan to explore new fruits, please don't pretend like only vegans get to try awesome fruits and vegetables
I think the key is in moderation, and fresh, truly free range stuff. People growing their own crops, raising their own geese etc are probably reasonable cooks, and therefore include both. Plenty of people count roast potatoes as 1 of their 5-a-day of vegetables. (While I'll admit they have some nutrients, it's fairly low in comparison to other vegetables, especially if roast potatoes are pretty much the only vegetables you eat.)
Also, producing your own food means you get more nutrients due to the freshness, as well as any animals you eat will generally be lower in fat. I know Hugh Fearnley-Whittingstall eats very free-range food, he goes pheasant shooting at my friend's farm.
Now you mention it, let's address the elephant in the room.
The biggest problem the planet is facing today is that there are TOO MANY HUMANS. Going vegan, switching to renewables etc is all well and good for making yourself feel better, but there a 7 Billion other people in the world, most of whom couldn't give a fuck about greenhouse gases.
We are breeding at an unsustainable rate. Unfortunately, the only possible consequence of this will be a population crash, caused by disease, natural disasters, war, famine, or drought. Probably all of the above.
There is no other way this can end. The most damaging thing a human can do to the environment is reproduce. If you want to be truly humane, get yourself sterilised, that way you won't be creating any children to suffer through what's likely to follow in the next couple of centuries.
People have been saying this forever but they always forget about technology. Birth rates are already drastically down in just about every developing nation and as more technological advances are made the amount of humans Earth can hold will go up as the population also goes up.
Those are big claims.
I think when discussing this issue people often mistake the sheer number of people on the planet with the environmental practices of the people on the planet, and particularly the practices of the .001% of the population in control of the vast majority of earth changing decisions.
It may just be semantics but I don't think so.
Vegan = less collective amount of calories = lose more weight
That's no lie.
This is more true though:
Vegan = less calories than a normal human being is supposed to be sustained on = malnutrition = lose fat AND muscle.
Just eat a balanced diet with meat and vegetables with a caloric deficit and you'll be fine bros.
That's no lie.
This is more true though:
Vegan = less calories than a normal human being is supposed to be sustained on = malnutrition = lose fat AND muscle.
Just eat a balanced diet with meat and vegetables with a caloric deficit and you'll be fine bros.
Happy until they're brought to slaughter, I assume?
And it's not even about animals being happy or not. I could give a shit less about how happy another animal is. Much the same as my opinion on other humans. If I see a miserable person on the side of the street, strewn on the floor with ripped clothing, I sympathize but at the end of the day, I can't say I feel much one way or the other. Same with other animals. But you won't see me murdering a homeless person just because I don't care much for his well-being.
It's not about making sure other animals are happy. It's about leaving them alone for the same justification as we leave other human beings alone.
+1, nail on the head. But when the only solution to an environmental issue is to do the single LEAST human thing (not reproduce), I think the environment is just due to get destroyed one way or another.
And you know what, that's the way it should be. Plenty of species will be around when we're gone. That's life.
That question always gets the "witty" answer without anyone seriously tackling the issue. I've been around this merry-go-round about 200 times and there's always someone who tries to humor the crowd out of facing the issue head on.
201...
What the fuck are you talking about?
Let's send nutritional aid STAT to all of these poor malnourished vegans.
Robert Cheeke, poor under-fed vegan:
When you're a person who's used to eating meat and protein daily to fuel your body and you suddenly cut off that fuel source your body has to find other sources of energy to use. It'll start utilizing stored fat AND muscle for energy.
Bottom line: if you're used to eating meat frequently and you suddenly switch to another less plentiful fuel source, your body is going to start digging into reserves of fat (essentially stored pockets of back up energy) and muscle making you feel hungry even more often. If you're someone who's able to resist cravings and their body's cry for sustenance (or if most of your diet is comprised of vegetables) you shouldn't have much of a problem becoming a vegan.
Yes, I'm seous.
The issue has been faced head on here multiple times in many threads but we can continue to beat that (unfortunately) dead horse if you like.
We've been raising animals for food for thousands of years. Rational people can understand the differences between animals raised for food, working animals and companion animals. We do it because we want to and because we can, the same reasons a lion hunts a zebra. At the end of the day, we're just an animal that likes to eat other animals, like the lion, and occasionally another animal eats one of us. It's called the circle of life.