I was almost mugged today but..

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My wife and I were robbed by two guys with 9mms before we got married.

We had no cash, which just infuriated the attackers, so they wacked me twice in the back of the head with the butt of the 9mm.. Obviously a coward, he hit me while I was looking the other way, so I did not see it coming at all. They then laid us on the floor of my carport, and I definitely thought it was the end of our lives. Truly was just about the only time in my life where I felt completely helpless, it was the most horrible feeling ever. Once you've stared down the barrell of a loaded 9mm, with a blurred image of yellow, crack-smoking eyes behind it, you'll never be the same.

You can't ever know what it's like - unless you've experienced it. I always check "my back" wherever I am, although I don't carry a weapon. EMP is 100% correct, aggression invites aggression, so if you pull out a knife or a gun you'd better know how to use it, and be ready to use it. Fact is, most people don't, even most tough guys who carry one won't know how to use it, and it'll ultimately be used against them by the attacker.

Whenever I get a new haricut I'm reminded of this event that happened in July of 96', when two scars are revealed behind my ear.

The WORST part of the whole experience was not being able to do anything to protect my wife, and the crazy thoughts that race through your head about what "could have happened". It still affects me today, 12 years later, and with two kids in tow, I hope never to have to re-experience anything like it.

It happened in a neighborhood a few blocks from Beverly Hills in an otherwise "safe" area mostly known for good restaurants and a healthy night scene.

(ps) Although I would have had no chance to use it, I had sold my Glock about a year earlier. Had I still had it in my apartment, the story may have unfolded a bit differently, and it would have been hard to write this post from a jailcell.
 


In America, under what circumstances are you allowed to shoot your attacker?

I believe it's a case-by-case basis, but basically if your life is in danger and a weapon is your only chance of survival, then you'll be fine. On the flipside, if your attack started retreating and you shot them as they were running away, you'll probably end up in Jail.

Regarding break-ins, I believe most states incorporate the "castle doctrine" which basically lets you defend your home. Some states are really wack though and you can actually get in trouble for assaulting someone who broke into your home.
 
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Why in the name of holy fuck would you chose a knife for self defense instead of a gun? It's not NEARLY as effective, and you'll still get in the same amount of trouble for using it.

It's also highly plausible that you'll get the knife turned around and used against you. If you haven't had any knife training then you're just begging to get your own throat slit. I actually trained Eskrima for over three years and I would NEVER want to be anywhere near a knife fight. Even the best fighters know that they will probably get cut all over.

Or...ever hear the saying "He shouldn't have brought a knife to a gun fight"?
 
In most of the cities in the united states (not Texas and some western states ), carrying a gun is just asking for jail time. Pocketknives aren't a big no-no since many judges and businessmen as well as many working men carry them. If you go that route, take a karate or self defense class and know how to use it without thinking about it. And seriously, just give up your damn money if that's all they want. It will be a lot cheaper than either a lawyer or jail time.
 
1. Get a second bank account with a debit card, or a pre-paid debit card. Put the minimum walking-around money you need on it. Don't carry lots of cash.

2. A mobile 'phone is like an electronic tag; do you _really_ need to be available 24 hours a day to your Missus/Neurotic clients etc.? Leave it at home if you don't need it.

2. A kick in the shins, in the cojones, punch to the throat, eyes (yuk), stamp on the feet, kidney punch etc. is worth a try, if the opportunity presents itself. Learn some basic dirty street-fighting moves. Don't worry about being Bruce Lee.

3. Each situation is different; sometimes you can talk your way out of it, sometimes a boot in the balls will do it, sometimes being quiet and giving them no feedback puts them off, or being chatty ...

Following a set procedure, like relying on a knife or a gun may get you in worse trouble.

4. Give them the money or the 'phone. They're not worth being hospitalised or being killed for. Hollywood churns out rotten fantasies like 'Death Wish'; enter the real world, and be a lot calmer in yourself :)

5. If you're a bit weedy, 15 minutes of muscle building exercise in the morning, in the home, five days out of every seven will bulk you up nicely in a few years, and you'll feel a lot better. It's easier to keep to than going to a gym.

6. Confidence. Dogs go for pople who exude fear, or look vulnerable. Same for humans, I'd say. Muggers are looking for easy targets. They'd sooner rob a blind woman than a bulky, confident looking chap walking purposefully.

7. Don't avoid all eye contact but don't stare them out either. A quick cold look of appraisal, then walk on. They need to know you're aware of them, and you're not a total pushover. There's a knack to this.
 
Interesting thread. The statements about people getting their weapons used against them are very accurate. Don't bother carrying it unless you know how and are willing to use it.

Someone mentioned pepper spray/mace. It should be stated (and restated) that this doesn't affect everyone and those who are affected don't usually feel it instantly. So don't count on it.

General rule on when it's ok to shoot someone is the endangerment of life, yours or someone else's. In the end it really depends on the prosecuting attorney. I've seen cases where the armed mugger was fleeing, got shot in the back of the head and died and no charges were filed. And I've seen the opposite.

On home invasion, check your state laws. There are a few states that require you to flee to the part of the house furtherest away from the intruder, then if you're followed you're allowed to defend yourself. Otherwise you're to hide and wait until the intruder is done stealing you stuff. It's wise to know ahead of time what your state expects.

As for self defense, go for the throat or eyes if possible. Buy yourself some time and run like hell.

my $.02 worth.
 
I outran them... it was 3 black guys, like 10 Pm and I was walking home... they where across the street and just like walked sorta parallel to me but slowly cutting me off.

Well I stopped walking, so did they... So I started jogging in the other direction, and they started running after me.

Well, my season of soccer just finished about 3 weeks ago, im still in pretty good shape...

I sprinted for like 4 blocks, they stopped chasing me, then I ran home.

My adrenaline was pumping, it was quite exciting...

Anyone else ever almost been mugged or mugged?

I only had about $20 on me, which I would have given, but they probably would have beat me up, which I dont really want to happen.

Got mugged this last X-Mas Eve by two black guys. I got the shit beat out of me, who does that? I'm only 5'2" man, I would have just given them my purse. BASTARDS.
 
Not being racist here but why is it always some experience with some black guys?

Same here too.

I guess black guys do more low tech, brute force crime then other ethic gang groups.
 
Some Mexican dude tried to mug me in the back of a diner one night but made his intentions known while standing a good 10 feet away from me. Gave me time to pop my trunk with the remote and pull out a baseball bat. Nothing happened, I'm pretty sure he was wasted.
 
I got beat up in Camden New Jersey when I traveled there for the door-to-door sales job i had. I knocked on this door in a trailer park (dont ever do that btw) and this pretty decent looking chick answered the door. She was looking at me with "fuck me" eyes and I admit, I was getting pretty turned on. I noticed she was pregnant and immediately sensed a bad vibe. 2 seconds later, out come like 6 or 7 black guys all yellow eyed and high. The leader started yelling at me for hitting on their "baby momma". Since I look like a typical California surfer dude, they took an immediate dislike to me, so I tried to bail (as in R-U-N).

Long story short: I got hit a couple times and got my nose all bloodied up. I got away after a couple punches and continued to knock more doors a couple blocks away, scoring 3 pity sales.

Oh...and Fuck New Jersey. I have a couple more stories from "hell"... in particular "Atlantic City"
 
amanda11 said:
Not being racist here but why is it always some experience with some black guys?

Same here too.

I guess black guys do more low tech, brute force crime then other ethic gang groups.

Let's avoid the social commentary. WF isn't really the right context for it and you're just gonna sound like an ignorant ass, no offense.

Anyway, my own experience-

I was mugged once when I was 17. I was spending some time in a smallish town in Ohio over the summer and driving back to my apt around 2am after working late on a project. Town was empty and some kid about the same age (yes he was black, who cares) blew through a red light on his bike. We both swerved, he hit a pothole or something, flew off his bike and skidded across the pavement.

I stopped & got out to see if he was ok & find a payphone if he needed medical attention (cellphones were a serious luxury then). He kind of staggered to his feet and pulled out a gun. I freaked, never having had a handgun in my face before. Oddly, I think it was his first time trying shit like that too - he didn't even try to take the car, just took $5 out of my wallet and my shitty timex watch, then we went our separate ways.

As soon as I got to my place (about 5 minutes away), I called the police. They radio'd it out and ended up picking him up about 10 minutes later -- like I said, no one else was out at this time.

So the court date comes, I show up and the kid had a black eye, had been roughed up pretty bad. Come to find out he was the son of the police sergeant. Ha, what a dumbass. He ended up getting 30 hours or something b/c I had to skip town anyway and didn't want to stick it out.

Anyway, that's my only mugging. I've had some close calls a few times since, but like an above poster said, the right attitude / avoidance strategies / and being able to talk your way out of things goes a long way. Plus actually I've found living in Brooklyn/NYC to be as safe or safer than a lot of midwestern cities. There's plenty of tough talk here, but what might get the shit knocked out of you somewhere else is usually just blowing off steam here.

I've also been in a couple nasty situations when traveling overseas but they weren't muggings/robberies and I also kind of knew what I was walking into, so it's not really the same.

Oh yeah, carrying a gun/knife is fucking retarded unless you're highly trained. And even then it's kind of loony if you ask me. Just don't be a dumbass or a jerk and if something happens just hand over the $. Screw that cowboy crap.
 
I believe it's a case-by-case basis, but basically if your life is in danger and a weapon is your only chance of survival, then you'll be fine. On the flipside, if your attack started retreating and you shot them as they were running away, you'll probably end up in Jail.

Regarding break-ins, I believe most states incorporate the "castle doctrine" which basically lets you defend your home. Some states are really wack though and you can actually get in trouble for assaulting someone who broke into your home.

In america you are quite lucky, no jury in the US would ever convict you of murder/manslaughter for shooting someone that broke into your house.

I was attacked by two guys outside my home here in the UK, needless to say I had just bought my XDA executive and was flashing it like a coke whore on the strip. Two guys come up to me and demand my phone and my watch.

I am 6"2 and BIG, and I am also probably the nicest big guy you will ever meet. Any other day I would have gladly handed over my phone asked for my sim and been on my way, but not that day. I just had my eBay account closed along with my paypal with about $6k in it. Knowing that some company is sitting on your money for 180 days does not make me happy. I grabbed one of them by the hood and proceeded to wail on this guy until I had broken a few fingers.

That guy went to the hospital. I was put in a cell for the night. England... Go figure.
 
After reading this thread, loving Vancouver more and more. Still, you have to watch your back and be careful, but certainly less guns and more penalties for using/carrying one
 
I got beat up in Camden New Jersey when I traveled there for the door-to-door sales job i had. I knocked on this door in a trailer park (dont ever do that btw) and this pretty decent looking chick answered the door. She was looking at me with "fuck me" eyes and I admit, I was getting pretty turned on. I noticed she was pregnant and immediately sensed a bad vibe. 2 seconds later, out come like 6 or 7 black guys all yellow eyed and high. The leader started yelling at me for hitting on their "baby momma". Since I look like a typical California surfer dude, they took an immediate dislike to me, so I tried to bail (as in R-U-N).

Long story short: I got hit a couple times and got my nose all bloodied up. I got away after a couple punches and continued to knock more doors a couple blocks away, scoring 3 pity sales.

Oh...and Fuck New Jersey. I have a couple more stories from "hell"... in particular "Atlantic City"

Welcome to New Jersey, that's what you get for going door to door in fucking Camden. I remember I went to see a Cannibal Corpse show in Irvington, and it's a whole bunch of huge metal dudes standing outside waiting to get into the club looking like they're going to piss themselves. There are just certain areas that whitey doesn't belong.
 
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