Iowa Caucuses
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What he said ^^^
Tavin, I have been pushing Ron Paul since 2007. I have countless man hours, probably worth 6 figures, put into trying to advance his electability and the message.
Tonight was a huge setback. Paul needed to win Iowa by more than a point to have a chance of winning the nomination outright. He needed second ahead of Romney to have a chance at a brokered convention.
Third unfortunately will mean no additional funding, no additional media, the (un)electable argument gets stronger, and he's going to lose a shit ton of enthusiasm tomorrow. I know exactly how this plays out.
The stakes were super high, and his campaign failed to deliver. And while I love RP, he failed too. His debate prep was atrocious and his handling of the newsletters really piss poor.
He did well considering how hard they made it on themselves, but unfortunately for RP, he had almost no margin for error. Second place was barely going to be good enough.
If there is a silver lining, 4 years ago, people said America would be gone in 4 years because RP wasn't elected. I am fairly certain America will still be around in 2016. Ron Paul won't be around in 2016 though.
If the society was Ron Paul loving, he would have won the caucuses.
How did Rick Perry do tonight?
Gotta agree with G & PJ... If Paul doesn't get close enough to almost tie the winner today then he'd have to do something incredible like win the next 3-5 caucuses in a row to get any momentum back.
Other candidates are playing checkers. Paul is currently playing Chess.
Other candidates are playing checkers. Paul is currently playing Chess.
The fact is.. you don't know the stakes because we're in uncharted territory because of the influence of social media. Ron Paul's numbers on Twitter alone prove he has staying power this time around. People are paying attention and a very close third place is fantastic for Ron Paul and could be the springing board he needed to prove to people that people will vote for him.
No you don't. Claiming you have expert knowledge or know how anything plays out in regards to this election would be naive and laughable. If that's the case, just let us know the primary candidate now.
I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. It's obvious his support is growing.. and as proven in the past.. Iowa means nothing.
No you don't. Claiming you have expert knowledge or know how anything plays out in regards to this election would be naive and laughable. If that's the case, just let us know the primary candidate now.
I'm not a Ron Paul supporter. It's obvious his support is growing.. and as proven in the past.. Iowa means nothing.
wow, twitter blowing up on "We're all Austrians now" asking why Ron Paul would say that.
maybe tonights results make sense afterall.
maybe tonights results make sense afterall.
No I think I wrote the above, because I've heard it almost verbatim on his show.
Man I wish you were right Tavin... But if you were sitting watching this caucus 4 years ago, I doubt you could say this now.
I'm sure Dr. Paul's core people will stick around and keep pushing out awesome films & tweets thru social media, but the American Voter isn't much made up out of the people who see those.
Your error is in thinking that the voters are informed. Sadly, they only seem to know what the MSM, most especially Faux news, tells them.
Best of luck to us all.
I'm sure Dr. Paul's core people will stick around and keep pushing out awesome films & tweets thru social media, but the American Voter isn't much made up out of the people who see those.
Your error is in thinking that the voters are informed. Sadly, they only seem to know what the MSM, most especially Faux news, tells them.
Best of luck to us all.
Social media is just like the Ron Paul youth vote and crossover democrats. They didn't show up at the polls. It's astroturf. People jerking off to online polls when they need to be dragging 20 people to vote.
I do know the stakes, I suspect I understand the problems in the system as well as, if not better than, everyone else in this discussion.
Twitter doesn't show up at caucuses. The e-vote doesn't show up. 60 year old evangelicals show up to vote. That's who votes.
Romney.
I am a Ron Paul supporter, and his support may be growing, but his chances of a Republican nomination are sinking.
Iowa meant something to Obama. The youth turned out for him.
Iowa meant something to Bush. To Clinton.
Santorum is going to get a massive media and fundraising bump after tonight. There is a huge payoff to winning Iowa. If Paul had won Iowa, he might have been able to win NH. Now? No way in hell he competes above second or maybe third in NH.
You do realize that Paul is in 3rd by only 4,000 votes, right?
we're talking about an extremely close race.
I don't see Santorum gaining long term steam, he's too big of a douchebag and liberal.
How did winning Iowa work out for Huckabee in 2008?
we're talking about an extremely close race.
I don't see Santorum gaining long term steam, he's too big of a douchebag and liberal.
How did winning Iowa work out for Huckabee in 2008?
Out of how many?
It's actually way too many for that small of a turnout.
Wait until you see the mega millions in funding he gets tomorrow.
You just don't seem to get the significance of having the media against you. It's like running a race where everyone else has a free, wide-open lane and yours has a small mountain in the middle of it. Paul needed to win this race, despite that mountain. Now the next mountain will be twice the size of this one.
It's a horse race. It doesn't matter how many inches you win or lose by. All that matters is position. Remember the Ames Straw Poll?
It wasn't supposed to be close. Paul spent the most money on ads through most of December, had the biggest and best funded organization.
Romney won tonight. Santorum is a paper candidate but he helped keep Paul, Perry and Gingrich from establishing anything heading into NH.
And Huckabee got a lot of money and attention after winning Iowa. IIRC, his NH #s doubled after winning the first caucus.
...Totally our darkest hour bros...
By the time Rand gains his father's role, emperor Obama will have so much power he might not even step down in 2016... SRSLY.
At the very least I could see the corps and banks pulling the strings in 2016 not giving any fair chances at all to anyone but who they want in there... If we didn't indeed witness this tonight.
By the time Rand gains his father's role, emperor Obama will have so much power he might not even step down in 2016... SRSLY.
At the very least I could see the corps and banks pulling the strings in 2016 not giving any fair chances at all to anyone but who they want in there... If we didn't indeed witness this tonight.
