Iran terrorist plot on US soil foiled

[Kstanki2]

Anyone who falls for this diversionary tactic is stupid. Their reputations were in trouble so they told everyone to look somewhere else, and not enough people are going to look back so they can pretty much get away with anything. Politics... :disgust:

 

[websolutions]

has anyone considered it is all hype? the fact is the arabic nations population would all be riding camels if it wasn't for oil. everyone wants oil. opec is uncontrolled and regulates the pricing of oil around the world.

Make a glass bowl out of all the sand over there... no one cares... the states already has the worlds largest oil reserves... let them fight themselves to death... let the likes of the bin laden crew do the damange...

if the us government taxed every item coming in to the country and backed out of wars (which they never win anyway) they would be debt free in 4-5 years... even less according to trump.

 

[webnet]

Time to invade and make sure the oil is secured. And while they're at it double check for wmds or at least very big dangerous looking rocks.

 

[blogginginc]

Ohhhh, there we go again, yet another false flag operation, or the already classic "let him throw you the rock, so you can carpet bomb and invade his entire country of origin for a decade".

 

[-joe-]

It's one thing to bomb cave dwelling stone age goat fuckers such as the Afghans, but Iraq and Iran are both civilized countries with a lot of culture and an educated population. Unless you nuke them, what goes around will come around. The Iranians are also much more patriotic & proud of their culture than the Iraqis.

I also completely agree that anything coming from the US propaganda machine and western media in general is bullshit. I remember watching BBC & CNN hating on the Indian army (supposedly raping women, killing civilians etc) at the start of the Kargil war, but when the puppetmasters decided to favour India- all of a sudden they were reporting from Indian cities praising us and the Pakistanis became "terrorists" and "aggressors". Complete BS.

I know, it's complete bullshit. People call the BBC unbiased, but their coverage of Libya has been pretty biased - supporting the rebels, but it looks like the West is gonna try and stay in power there for as long as possible. They've been showing a ridiulous amount of staged/misleading footage to make it look like the rebels are a total bunch of amateurs.

For example, there was a clip of the BBC reporter standing behind a corner with a bunch of rebels, and there was meant to be a sniper at the bottom of the road. One of the rebels went out right into the middle of the road, totally unprotected, not hiding behind the jeep that was there or anything. He then just starts randomly firing his gun down the road until the clip's empty, and then runs back to hide behind the corner.

No one who's not batshit retarded would do that when there's a sniper at the end of the road.

 

[Andrey]

fuck the war is going to start very soon....

 

[Ar Scion]

has anyone considered it is all hype? the fact is the arabic nations population would all be riding camels if it wasn't for oil. everyone wants oil. opec is uncontrolled and regulates the pricing of oil around the world.

Make a glass bowl out of all the sand over there... no one cares... the states already has the worlds largest oil reserves... let them fight themselves to death... let the likes of the bin laden crew do the damange...

if the us government taxed every item coming in to the country and backed out of wars (which they never win anyway) they would be debt free in 4-5 years... even less according to trump.

If it was about oil, we would be targeting Saudi Arabia. But we're so chummy with the Saudis that it's never gonna happen. Despite the fact that we could take over Saudi Arabia in about 3 days.

Add to that the whole energy independence philosophy, the green movement and the alternative fuel movement, and the argument for oil vanishes.

Heck, if you wanted proof of that just look at how much oil we're getting from Iraq.

I've always believed the whole "We want their oil" argument is ignorant hysteria more than measured analysis.

And this just confirms the argument.

 

[Moxie]

If it was about oil, we would be targeting Saudi Arabia. But we're so chummy with the Saudis that it's never gonna happen. Despite the fact that we could take over Saudi Arabia in about 3 days.

We could take over Canada also if we wanted, but just like with Saudi Arabia we already benefit enough from our current relationship with them. Iran has the 26th largest military in the world, while Saudi Arabia is 8th. The Saudis allow us to station troops there and allow foreign oil companies to do business there.

The Obama administration is seeking a go-ahead from Congress to sell up to $60 billion worth of sophisticated warplanes to Saudi Arabia and could add another $30 billion worth of naval arms in a deal designed to counter the rise of Iran as a regional power.

http://defensetech.org/2010/09/14/why-does-saudi-arabia-need-90-billion-in-weapons/

Add to that the whole energy independence philosophy, the green movement and the alternative fuel movement, and the argument for oil vanishes.

The population and demand for oil is growing exponentially. Even as cars start to get better mileage, population growth and huge expansions in places like China and India are going to cause increasing demand.

Heck, if you wanted proof of that just look at how much oil we're getting from Iraq.

That's from 2008, try this article from 2009 :

Iraq will this week unveil which foreign firms have won contracts to develop its oil and gas fields, nearly four decades after Saddam Hussein nationalised the country's energy infrastructure.

Iraq to open up oil fields for first time in four decades

I've always believed the whole "We want their oil" argument is ignorant hysteria more than measured analysis.

What would be ignorant is not knowing about the historical concept of nations having strategic interests.

The Project for a New American Century openly called for using military power to increase access to energy. They also said that Iran was perhaps a far greater threat to US oil hegemony than Iraq.


Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow. - Dick Cheney, 1999


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfsWIoO2CPc]Is Obama Admin Fabricating Iranian Assassination Plot To Distract From Fast & Furious Investigation? - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDcSarKDj4g]"This Is Sloppy! Sloppy! Sloppy! This In Not Characteristic Of Iran AT ALL!" CIA Agent - YouTube[/ame]


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbqrxvfnGzw]CNN: Growing Skepticism About Iranian Assassination Plot - YouTube[/ame]

 

[shapo]

why war is never end bro?we live togather in tihs world.and die togather

 

[PedroDepue]

Oh wait here is one. Que the invasion machine

 

[Ar Scion]

We could take over Canada also if we wanted, but just like with Saudi Arabia we already benefit enough from our current relationship with them. Iran has the 26th largest military in the world, while Saudi Arabia is 8th. The Saudis allow us to station troops there and allow foreign oil companies to do business there.

The Obama administration is seeking a go-ahead from Congress to sell up to $60 billion worth of sophisticated warplanes to Saudi Arabia and could add another $30 billion worth of naval arms in a deal designed to counter the rise of Iran as a regional power.

http://defensetech.org/2010/09/14/why-does-saudi-arabia-need-90-billion-in-weapons/



The population and demand for oil is growing exponentially. Even as cars start to get better mileage, population growth and huge expansions in places like China and India are going to cause increasing demand.

That's from 2008, try this article from 2009 :

Iraq will this week unveil which foreign firms have won contracts to develop its oil and gas fields, nearly four decades after Saddam Hussein nationalised the country's energy infrastructure.

Iraq to open up oil fields for first time in four decades



What would be ignorant is not knowing about the historical concept of nations having strategic interests.

The Project for a New American Century openly called for using military power to increase access to energy. They also said that Iran was perhaps a far greater threat to US oil hegemony than Iraq.


Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow. - Dick Cheney, 1999


Is Obama Admin Fabricating Iranian Assassination Plot To Distract From Fast & Furious Investigation? - YouTube


"This Is Sloppy! Sloppy! Sloppy! This In Not Characteristic Of Iran AT ALL!" CIA Agent - YouTube


CNN: Growing Skepticism About Iranian Assassination Plot - YouTube

There's no denying the strategic interests at play here.

The problem is, people who argue for oil tend to deny the overt, obvious strategic implications, and tend to grasp for vague conspiracies.

These are the same kind of people who wet their pants for WikiLeaks, but had to quietly brush the issue aside when they found nothing that supported the dramatic conspiracy theories they subscribe to. And there is nothing there.

To support the oil conspiracy, you bring up points, all of which are fatally flawed. Such as confusing increasing demand for oil in India and China to demand in the US. Or asserting that we "benefit enough", without defining what that means.

In fact, the very article you quote says:

Increasing production to that level will, according to him, pump an extra $US1.7 trillion ($2.11 trillion) into government coffers over the next 20 years.
Shahristani has said that only $US30 billion ($37.31 billion) of that sum will go to the companies that have extracted the oil.

Read more: Iraq to open up oil fields for first time in four decades

Does it make sense to pay 800 billion dollars for the war in Iraq for 30 billion dollars in contracts spread across several oil companies?

You don't need to be a math major to see that the oil-profit motive is non-existent.

The strategic interests are not oil, but political. Invading places won't make America safer or more prosperous. But it will maintain faith in US power, which feeds consumer and investor confidence, regional and global influence, as well as bringing in the votes.

If we were profiting off of their oil in a way that was remotely predatory you can bet your ass the journalists and the Iraqis would be crying wolf from here to kingdom come.

 

[Moxie]

To support the oil conspiracy,

The goals of the Project for a New American Century and statements by Dick Cheney were PUBLIC INFORMATION, just like the quotes below :

I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil. - Alan Greenspan

My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East. - John McCain

Such as confusing increasing demand for oil in India and China to demand in the US.

Demand is heavily growing in the US also. Oil is a "prize" according to Dick Cheney, and becomes more valuable as worldwide demand increases.

Or asserting that we "benefit enough", without defining what that means.

I wasn't going to waste time pointing out what I thought was obvious. Saudi Arabia is "enemies" with Iran. The US can use their relatively large military as a chess piece against Iran. They purchase billions in weapons from us. Oil companies, the Bush family and others have business dealings with the Saudis.

Does it make sense to pay 800 billion dollars for the war in Iraq for 30 billion dollars in contracts spread across several oil companies?

Do affiliate networks budget in how much their affiliates spend on advertising? The warmongers and companies who benefit are basically playing with other people's money.

Also, this would be a long term strategy. Microsoft's purchase of Skype for over 8 billion dollars closed today. There's no way they are counting on making a profit on that anytime soon, and they also didn't have the benefit of forcing all of the nation to help fund their purchase.

More oil contracts have been awarded since 2009. Here is an article from a few days ago about even more:

Iraq Delays Auction of Oil, Gas Fields by Two Months to March - Businessweek


And the draft law will lead to even more...

Investors have been waiting for the law's approval to assure a more stable legal framework for exploration.
Iraq's cabinet approves delayed draft oil law | Agricultural Commodities | Reuters

The strategic interests are not oil, but political.

Resources are not a strategic interest? History says otherwise.

If we were profiting off of their oil in a way that was remotely predatory you can bet your ass the journalists and the Iraqis would be crying wolf from here to kingdom come.

Iraqis crying wolf would be reason for their government to lie about where the profits are going. Also, there have even been mainstream articles speculating that their government is a puppet one.

According to this article, the Pentagon oversees some of Iraq's oil money, and billions have gone missing:

US unable to account for billions of Iraq oil money - Americas, World - The Independent

 

[Ar Scion]

The goals of the Project for a New American Century and statements by Dick Cheney were PUBLIC INFORMATION, just like the quotes below :

I am saddened that it is politically inconvenient to acknowledge what everyone knows: the Iraq war is largely about oil. - Alan Greenspan

My friends, I will have an energy policy that we will be talking about, which will eliminate our dependence on oil from the Middle East that will prevent us from having ever to send our young men and women into conflict again in the Middle East. - John McCain



Demand is heavily growing in the US also. Oil is a "prize" according to Dick Cheney, and becomes more valuable as worldwide demand increases.



I wasn't going to waste time pointing out what I thought was obvious. Saudi Arabia is "enemies" with Iran. The US can use their relatively large military as a chess piece against Iran. They purchase billions in weapons from us. Oil companies, the Bush family and others have business dealings with the Saudis.



Do affiliate networks budget in how much their affiliates spend on advertising? The warmongers and companies who benefit are basically playing with other people's money.

Also, this would be a long term strategy. Microsoft's purchase of Skype for over 8 billion dollars closed today. There's no way they are counting on making a profit on that anytime soon, and they also didn't have the benefit of forcing all of the nation to help fund their purchase.

More oil contracts have been awarded since 2009. Here is an article from a few days ago about even more:

Iraq Delays Auction of Oil, Gas Fields by Two Months to March - Businessweek


And the draft law will lead to even more...

Investors have been waiting for the law's approval to assure a more stable legal framework for exploration.
Iraq's cabinet approves delayed draft oil law | Agricultural Commodities | Reuters



Resources are not a strategic interest? History says otherwise.



Iraqis crying wolf would be reason for their government to lie about where the profits are going. Also, there have even been mainstream articles speculating that their government is a puppet one.

According to this article, the Pentagon oversees some of Iraq's oil money, and billions have gone missing:

US unable to account for billions of Iraq oil money - Americas, World - The Independent

Let me clarify what I said. I didn't say oil is never a strategic resource. I said in this case it isn't. The data bears it out. The oil fields are owned by Iraq, and foreign companies are there only to develop the oil fields and handle extraction.

It's like saying a 12 year old diamond miner has the incentive and means to take a nation to war to make billions swinging a pickaxe. Doesn't make sense.

I'll give you credit for this, though- you're right about the fact that corporations are playing with other peoples money, and I overlooked the "military industrial complex" role- Lockheed Martin, NASA, Boeing, Armalite, etc.

However, oil certainly isn't part of that equation, and if we were to acknowledge the incentives for the military industrial complex, we have to say that the war in Iraq was about the military industrial complex, not oil.

The evidence for that is much more coherent. But the protesters chanting that slogan are nowhere to be seen.

It's too reasoned a conclusion, too rational for the mindless masses.

Maybe it's because oil is a shorter word.

 

[Uncle Tony]

Note the wording of the headline (Islamist and not US citizen) in yet another fine example of propaganda churned out by the British Bullshit Corporation:
BBC News - Islamist cleric Anwar al-Awlaki killed in Yemen

CTRL+F the word "citizen" to also be amused as to how none of the three occurrences of the word in the article acknowledge the citizenship of the man who was assassinated.

I know, it's complete bullshit. People call the BBC unbiased, but their coverage of Libya has been pretty biased - supporting the rebels, but it looks like the West is gonna try and stay in power there for as long as possible. They've been showing a ridiulous amount of staged/misleading footage to make it look like the rebels are a total bunch of amateurs.

For example, there was a clip of the BBC reporter standing behind a corner with a bunch of rebels, and there was meant to be a sniper at the bottom of the road. One of the rebels went out right into the middle of the road, totally unprotected, not hiding behind the jeep that was there or anything. He then just starts randomly firing his gun down the road until the clip's empty, and then runs back to hide behind the corner.

No one who's not batshit retarded would do that when there's a sniper at the end of the road.

 

[Uncle Tony]

^^ Also, they must have a very low opinion about the intellect of their readership if they think "US born" will hoodwink people into overlooking the fact that US citizenship is based on birthright/Jus Soli.

 

[REIMktg]

Amazing how many people here are anti-US.

Do all of you think that the foreign media is always honest and the US dishonest?

Why all the hate?

 

[Uncle Tony]

Amazing how many people here are anti-US.

Do all of you think that the foreign media is always honest and the US dishonest?

Why all the hate?

Tu quoque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[REIMktg]

Tu quoque - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I do not have a fancy WikiPedia quote - but the fact is that I am not defending the US. Just wondering why all the hate.

 

[pfgannon]

Amazing how many people here are anti-US.

Do all of you think that the foreign media is always honest and the US dishonest?

Why all the hate?

I'd wager that all major news outlets are full of shit.
I'm not specifically anti-US, but as a citizen, they do have the most direct impact on my life. They also have the most influence worldwide, and they commit all their atrocities under the guise of "freedom" and that's fucked.

Plus, it goes against the Constitution...

The fact that you aren't upset about this is troublesome, and is, in fact anti-US itself.

 

[Uncle Tony]

I do not have a fancy WikiPedia quote - but the fact is that I am not defending the US. Just wondering why all the hate.

There used to be a time when the US was regarded in other countries as an inspiration, a successful, developed and free society. Many people still hold this false perception which is furthered by western media. It simply isn't true anymore. That's why the US & western media gets called out. The politically correct doublespeak can't change:

• The fact that the US is militarily aggressive.
• Is no longer a free society and is fast becoming one of the most nightmarish Orwellian countries in existence. This is the catalyst of your downfall really. When your DNA & prints are on file, and you can be spied upon without a court order and with shit like "gait analysis" & exit controls being deployed in airports, you are all pretty much fucked. The state has superseded the individual.
• No longer a developed nation (increasingly reminiscent of the USSR. Massive & hi-tech military hardware # developed country). The population's intellect and education has steeply declined. Many companies are bankrupt. Slower internet connectivity than many third world countries. It seems a higher premium is placed on law enforcement and military spending than economic growth itself.
• Narcissistic & xenophobic worldview with contempt for other cultures.

My 2c as a neutral outside observer.