Life in Occupied Palestine

[Moxie]

I guess Mexicans don't have the need to explode themselves in crowded places bro?

Israel never had a border between Gaza and Israel until the Arabs started exploding everywhere making suicide bombs 2 times a week. (That's why they're launching rockets now)

He was talking about within Mexico, so his analogy was more akin to the West Bank closure system.

Many Americans want a strong border between Mexico, and some want US troops there at the border, but I'm guessing that much less would support US ground control operations inside Mexico.



Terrorism in Mexico - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mexican Drug War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Estimates set the death toll above 120,000 killed by 2013, not including 27,000 missing...

The U.S. Justice Department considers the Mexican drug cartels to be the greatest organized crime threat to the United States...

at least 19 Americans were killed in 2008.[302][303] Another 92 Americans were killed between June 2009 and June 2010..."

 

[GoldMarketing]

While I understand the Palestinian situation, the occupation and life there, it's difficult to be kind of sympathetic towards it. Instead of building the economy, bringing prosperity like Japan did after WWII, they decide to dig tunnels and launch rockets - that's not even defense, its pointless attack. Israel on the other hand, builds infrastructure and even Iron Dome which works fantastically well. They even sell similar technology abroad and makes profit.

 

[King.]

Forget about the war and everything going on now, it won't go anywhere.

Answer me - what FreeGaza means? What do they want?

It means not living in an open air prison and not being treated like sub human scum. There's 1.82 million people living in an area that is 40 kilometers long and 6-12 kilometers wide. There's an ongoing electricity problem, which has now become a crisis, that means simple things like light, refrigeration and sewege pumps that you take for granted are nonexistant or only available sporadically. They have been under siege since 2007. Everything that goes in gets controlled. Israel 'calorie counts' the food that goes in to make sure they don't starve, but half the population suffers from chronic malnutrition, with up to 80% undernourished. Their hospitals are understaffed and they have constant shortages of doctors, medical workers and medical supplies.

Most of the people in Gaza are REFUGEES. Do you know from where? OTHER PARTS OF WHAT USED TO BE PALESTINE. There is so much that you people have no clue about. Absolutely not one clue. If there is another life, I hope you all end up in a hell hole like gaza. I want to see you use your bullshit terrorist/human shields excuse while they indiscriminately bomb the living shit out of you and kill your wife and kids, destroy your neighborhoods, hospitals, schools, power and infastructure and give you and everyone you know PTSD.

There is a reason Netanyahu keeps talking about 'human shields', it is to dehumanise the Palestinians and make them look like they don't love their own children, and it seems to be working from the way you people have been talking. Some of you have a uniquely blatant disrespect and disregard for the dignity of a Palestinian, it's almost as if you don't consider 1 Palestinian life to be equal to 1 Israeli or American life.

Ask yourself this: would any of those Israeli bombs be dropping down right now if there were Jewish or American or European women and children in those buildings? If you're being honest with yourself, you'll know the answer.

Palestinian refugee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Palestine refugee camps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1948 Palestinian exodus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Deir_Yassin

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

First of all, I think Hurr-Durr pretty much fucking nailed it. You can't bitch about how fucked up Hamas is (not much disagreement there), and then use them as some sort of a yardstick to measure the behavior of Israel. If I'm walking down the street and some 12 year old kid is being fucking asshole and throwing rocks at me, I might be justified in responding, but I probably wouldn't be justified in grabbing him by them neck, choke slamming him, getting on top of him and then pummeling him until he's dead.

You guys keep bitching about Israel being held to a higher standard - of course they should be held to a higher standard. If you're going to act no better than Hamas, then don't be surprised when people see you no different than Hamas. Or worse, since you don't have to resort to the widespread murder of innocent civilians.

The Palestinians deserve a lot of blame for allowing Hamas any legitimacy in representing them. Let's ignore the role the Mossad played in putting Hamas in the position to be able to counteract the PLO. Let's pretend that never happened, and just hold the Palestinian people accountable for their support of those crazy fuckers. Fine. But don't you think the Palestinians have a right to be concerned about this:

You say Israel has the right to defend themselves, sure. But don't the Palestinian have that same right? I don't pretend to be an expert on the Middle East by any stretch, but some of this shit is pretty hard to defend on both sides.

 

[wooja]

I guess Mexicans don't have the need to explode themselves in crowded places bro?

Israel never had a border between Gaza and Israel until the Arabs started exploding everywhere making suicide bombs 2 times a week. (That's why they're launching rockets now)

ONLY THEN - Israel built the border and set roadblocks. But I guess the border and roadblocks hurt the Arab's right to make suicide bombs in Israel, so ... it's Israel fault. Shame on them for not letting the Arabs explode as they were told by their Quran.

Bro at least go learn some facts (and not facts from 2001 wiki pages) before you reply.

But since you love those wikis so much, look how many suicide bombs were there in those years and how the border drastically decreased them.

List of Palestinian suicide attacks

Fuck you retard
I live in Israel, served my 3 years in Israeli army 1998-2001, some of that inside the Gaza strip when it was still occupied.
I also lived in Sderot where the house I lived in had a fucking Kassam rocket hit it and blew up the whole second floor while I was sitting in the ground floor (2002).

Also, 2 weeks ago a missile exploded 800m from where I live so don't fucking start lecturing me about getting all my info from wikis and shit

 

[wooja]

Great video, pretty much says it all - Someone firing a gun from the hospital = obliterate the entire hospital to a rubble! And the world is puzzled why 80% of those dying are civilians when Israel is the one who has precision/laser targeted missiles...this is exactly why...

The video is suspect - Israeli military falsifies photograph to justify bombing el-Wafa hospital | International Solidarity Movement

Israel used fabricated images to justify bombing al-Wafa hospital | The Electronic Intifada

As an occupying power, a "democracy," a friend of USA, and the only country with nuclear weapons arsenal in the Middle East, its Israel's duty to follow the International law and the covenants of Geneva conventions..but the truth is, it doesn't give two shits about ANYONE in Gaza in its quest to inflict collective punishment on everyone living in Gaza.

Why else would you bomb power plants and fuel tanks?

Your sources are very biased and could themselves very well be doctored and false.
Also, do you know where the media gets their 82% civilian death count? You guessed it, the Palestinian authorities in Gaza. Who might that be? Oh, yeah, Hamas.
IMO that 80% is more likely less than 50%, most of which are probably people that:
1) Didn't heed warnings
2) Hamas didn't let them leave
3) Got hit by accident by Hamas misfires
4) Colateral damage like ALL WARS.

Don't get me wrong. I feel for them and think it's very sad when civilians get killed, but don't think the blame is on Israel and could have been avoided countless times if the Hamas had any willingness to reach a peaceful resolution.

 

[dreamache]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbM0aCeNGl8[/ame]

 

[IceToEskimos]

Lets try a simple exercise

go to this page List of Palestinian suicide attacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Palestinians clearly have more balls than money, which is part of the definition of "terrorism"...lacking the resources to fight a conventional war, they do deplorable things like blowing themselves to bits in shopping centers.

It's difficult to fight against an adversary who uses unconventional tactics/doesn't wear uniforms/etc etc etc. The US tried it in Vietnam, and it didn't work out very well, and I think The Soviet Union had similar experience fighting the mujahideen.

In both cases, the superpowers involved were seen (rightly) as an invading/occupying force, which caused the opposition to take on a very different tone. Israel has made a point that they feel besieged upon by Hamas, and that they believe the goal of their enemies is total destruction of the Israeli state, but it's the Palestinians who fight as though they are occupied.

It's no secret that the middle east is full of people who don't want to see the state of Israel succeed or even exist, but only the Palestinians take up arms on a regular basis.

Right or wrong, the Palestinians feel persecuted and threatened with total destruction, and so they act accordingly. I don't think this conflict can be resolved as long as there are Palestinians willing to die for their cause, and I don't think Israel is willing or able to wage total war on the Palestinian state to the degree required for a resolution of this issue (genocide).

I hope that any and all WF brothers in the area of conflict stay safe, regardless of where they fall on this issue.

 

[nickster]

I agree with you - Hamas will kill every single innocent Israeli - man, woman, child in that school at the first opportunity and that's why they are (rightly) called as terrorists. That's expected - everyone knows this and agrees.

So when Israel don't want to sit at the table to negotiate with Hamas they are vilified and are told that Hamas are The Palestinian government and representatives of the people, but when Hamas blow up innocent civilians they are terrorists? Can't have it both ways my friend.

What some people (like myself) are disturbed by is that IDF's behavior is resembling Hamas' behavior. This must be stopped. No matter how bad Hamas' behavior is, IDF has a responsibility to act within reason and follow the international law and Geneva conventions. Otherwise it will only incite more rage and hate from the world.

Thats a joke right? So THAT is what explains the media and all of social media covered in anti-Israel rhetoric and words like genocide and holocaust, riots on the streets of France and Germany, burning down Jewish owned shops, beating Jewish people and setting fire to synagogues. Because Israel dares to behave in a way that "resembles" their enemy. Fuck sake that is some crazy double standards right there.

So IDF has to comply with international law and Geneva conventions, but their enemy don't? Who is holding the Palestinian elected officials accountable for their disgusting disregard for human rights and the Geneva convention?

Please go out and protest Hamas in the same way you are protesting Israel and you may have a sliver of credibility. But I guess its ok to target civilian women and children if you are a freedom fighter right?

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Genuinely curious, how does Israel justify the expansion of settlements into Palestinian areas? Seems like this could be a legitimate grievance, I dunno.

 

[seriously]

It's no secret that the middle east is full of people who don't want to see the state of Israel succeed or even exist, but only the Palestinians take up arms on a regular basis.

Well, that's because they're not a country. they know that under the international law if they were a country they would get wiped out, but since they are terror organization hiding behind civilians the rules are different. (that's the reason they never actually wanted 2 countries and live side by side, it's either whole of Israel or keep the terror)

Why Turkey,Syria,Iraq etc don't do shit although they hate Israel? They know Israel would have the right to come back at them and come back hard.

Fuck you retard
I live in Israel, served my 3 years in Israeli army 1998-2001, some of that inside the Gaza strip when it was still occupied.
I also lived in Sderot where the house I lived in had a fucking Kassam rocket hit it and blew up the whole second floor while I was sitting in the ground floor (2002).

Also, 2 weeks ago a missile exploded 800m from where I live so don't fucking start lecturing me about getting all my info from wikis and shit

tembel... can you even read?

 

[seriously]

If I'm walking down the street and some 12 year old kid is being fucking asshole and throwing rocks at me, I might be justified in responding, but I probably wouldn't be justified in grabbing him by them neck, choke slamming him, getting on top of him and then pummeling him until he's dead.

Plot Twist: You and 10 members of your family walking down the street, this 12 years old keeps bitching around and every now and then he kill one of your family members. now make that 14 years and each week 1 more family member of yours die. what now? you still gonna bitch slap him or just kill that "poor innocent kid"?

 

[nickster]

Genuinely curious, how does Israel justify the expansion of settlements into Palestinian areas? Seems like this could be a legitimate grievance, I dunno.

I would tend to agree with you, I think the settlements are just plain wrong. In my opinion the Palestinian people have A LOT of legitimate grievances.

The Israelis justify it as they don't regard the areas as Palestinian at all, nor do they call them occupied territories, rather they refer to them as "disputed territories".

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

Plot Twist: You and 10 members of your family walking down the street, this 12 years old keeps bitching around and every now and then he kill one of your family members. now make that 14 years and each week 1 more family member of yours die. what now? you still gonna bitch slap him or just kill that "poor innocent kid"?

Interesting question...

 

[seriously]

Interesting question...

It all comes back to this.. Israel to blame for being able to protect itself. Israel to blame for not having more dead people. smh

This thread takes too much energy and I don't think it will make any of the sides see things in a different light. as Jon said.. we just a bunch of nobodys talking shit over the internet.

Take care all, no hard feeling ofc
oh and thanks rusvik for neg repping me for being "Hasbara troll" ..

 

[nickster]

Well, I totally agree that either side will probably never see things in a different light, but I do think that an open forum like this does serve a purpose, at least at the moment.

There are a lot of people who know nothing about the conflict at all and are judging one side based on shocking images, inaccurate news reports and downright lies. Something like this helps to balance things a small bit so that they might be able to make their own minds up when presented with facts and not just propaganda (on either side).

I de-friended someone today on Facebook because they were putting pictures with Swastikas in them. I told him that they are highly offensive and very anti-semitic and he basically told me that he didn't know and understand why he shouldn't be posting them. Once I talked to him he basically apologised and removed the images and also said he didn't realise that there was another possible side to the conflict either.

So right there there was someone spouting pure evil and didn't even have the brains to realise it, who now can make up their own mind based on proper facts and not just shock headlines and images.

 

[Tony71]

Well, I totally agree that either side will probably never see things in a different light, but I do think that an open forum like this does serve a purpose, at least at the moment.

There are a lot of people who know nothing about the conflict at all and are judging one side based on shocking images, inaccurate news reports and downright lies. Something like this helps to balance things a small bit so that they might be able to make their own minds up when presented with facts and not just propaganda (on either side).

I de-friended someone today on Facebook because they were putting pictures with Swastikas in them. I told him that they are highly offensive and very anti-semitic and he basically told me that he didn't know and understand why he shouldn't be posting them. Once I talked to him he basically apologised and removed the images and also said he didn't realise that there was another possible side to the conflict either.

So right there there was someone spouting pure evil and didn't even have the brains to realise it, who now can make up their own mind based on proper facts and not just shock headlines and images.

oh he realised it.. he was just playing stupid.. defreind and dont hang out with or have assocation with poeple like that. there nothing but poisen.

 

[nickster]

oh he realised it.. he was just playing stupid.. defreind and dont hang out with or have assocation with poeple like that. there nothing but poisen.

The issue is that people are so ignorant that they don't believe there is anything wrong with it. They join the marches and even help to throw a few punches, but when asked they say "I have nothing against Jews" or "I have a lot of Jewish friends".

It's up to us to try to open their eyes and educate them that what they are doing is the beginning of the road to the reason for Israel's formation in the first place.

Its a mistake to tolerate it and even more of a mistake to ignore it.

 

[wooja]

Bottom line:

 

[nickster]

Joe Rogan Experience #529 - Abby Martin - YouTube

Abby Martin is a "journalist" on RT, so right there her credibility is out the window.

She was a 9/11 truther and had said "I’ve researched it for three years and every single thing that I uncover solidifies my belief that it was an inside job and that our government was complicit in what happened." oh and now she "no longer subscribes" to the fact that 9/11 was an inside job. Three years down the drain I guess Great example of her research skills.

None the less I tried to listen to what she had to say, but within 5 mins had to switch it off. Between her stoner way of speaking (interspersed with 'fucking' here and 'fucking' there) all I was hearing from her is the same old bullshit propaganda lines that I am hearing over and over. She even denies that Hamas uses human shields, cummon. Go look at her twitter for objective journalism.

Hottie though so I guess the winning equation from above works in her favour.