Mexican Cartels vs Anonymous: Place your bets
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There's Andrew! Starting to get worried about him down there...
Seriously tho, you aren't afraid that as the gangs grow bigger and more powerful that they (and the corrupt cops working for them) will treat you like Cheshire's Uncle someday?
...I'd be looking closer at Thailand if I were in your shoes!
Seriously tho, you aren't afraid that as the gangs grow bigger and more powerful that they (and the corrupt cops working for them) will treat you like Cheshire's Uncle someday?
...I'd be looking closer at Thailand if I were in your shoes!
i worry a lot. as soon as the visa process is done for my wife im moving back to CA for a while.
It's a fair point. I think I had a lapse back into my fury days of hating anyone who took drugs, but eventually I did realize that it wasn't them actually pulling the trigger on some kid. They can help by not taking drugs, but the original blame lies with the person who decides to kill for greed.
As for legalizing drugs, notwithstanding all the other issues, that won't help so much in Mexico anymore, as the cartels have diversified into many other businesses including: siphoning off PEMEX oil ($bns), extortion (we've already heard about that in this thread), kidnapping, migrant ransoming, pirating media (you simply cannot imagine how much money they are making from this - the US doesn't even bother to release DVDs there anymore), sex trafficking and more. According to some intelligence reports from the US and Mexico, cartels now make around 50% of their revenues from other ventures like these. The problem is extremely deep and will take decades to be resolved, and in my view this can only be done by improving education and opportunities for young people. In the meantime, if you can leave, do. Yucatan might well be safe right now, but it just takes one thing to snap and it's another Tamaulipas or Chihuahua.
We've been trying to get her family out of there for years. Which brings up another fucked up situation all together. For about $2500/head we can bring them over illegally, but we've been trying to do it the right way. Follow the laws and such. You know make them legal citizens and all. $20,000 later and we're really no closer than to begin with. Everyone bitches about illegal immigration but try doing it the right and legal way and you'll completely understand why they just jump the border. At this point they aren't just trying "take our jerbs!" they're just trying to avoid having their heads cut off.
Can't talk about it anymore, making me sick to my stomach.
What about claiming asylum? They should be able to do that. I have a buddy of mine, whos wife was kidnapped down there. They lived in Juarez and he owns some business there, so they couldn't exactly just up and leave.
Anyways, long story short -- they kidnapped his wife, sent him pics, asked for over $1,000,000 or so, and told him if he didn't pay, she was dead. He ended up giving them all he had which was $200k and got his wife back, alive. She ended up going to the US and claiming asylum, where they both live now. So, maybe asylum is something to look into?
That is all some messed up shit. I am so thankful to live in a country where this doesn't exist.
The reason it is so difficult is because of those that jumped the fence. Had they not, the process would not be as tough. The blame is with those that have broken the law - the majority never tried the legal way and therefore cannot blame the "system".
Kidnappings happen throughout the world. Most of the time it is never discussed. This is a big problem in the US & everywhere, yes in your country too, amongst the very very wealthy. Happens a lot more than you think, 99% are paid off and returned unharmed.
I remember when Juarez got bad. It use to be a nice place to go and party, but then it got fucking crazy. It's a shame, because it was a really nice town.
Jesus, why do you even bother going there? Sounds like a nightmare. I thought Cambodia was bad but at least no one dare to shit on the government.
Basically, yes. You could compare our PM to Gaddafi, except we're poorer and the majority really do like him. He's doing a great job in consolidating power and keep the voters happy. The country is pretty safe and stable as we want to attract more investors.
The Opposition parties are jokes though. You can't even listen to their speech without cringing.
They contributed, but it's just not that black and white.
Don't forget that there are a fuckton of US businesses in every US state that sends empty buses across the border every fucking day and loads it up with illegal workers for shit jobs in factories & orchards here.
The System really is the worst offender here, not a few peons.
This problem has so many twists and turns that there is no way to approach it other than starting over from scratch... In this case I guess that means tons of amnesty while building a serious wall with some really anal retentive guards at the 1 checkpoint...
If its illegal then those companies should be prosecuted, shut down, put in jail. I am tired of all this BS were anyone dealing with illegals can break whatever F'ing law they want - but if I try to put up a testimonial for a diet plan - here comes the FTC.
What happens to me if I rack up bad credit? I am stuck with the stigma.
Paco gets to buy a new name and new social and do it all over again.
What happens if I use someone's identity? - I go to jail.
Paco gets a free pass and social secuity, the credit agencies - everyone helps him.
This is all BS - there is no rule of law - all BS.
Screw amnesty - if they get amnesty I want amnesty for some of the big mistakes in my life that I am still paying for.
Enforce immigration laws, enforce them especially against the employers. Then dump a crap load of money into Mexico and help them wipe out the cartels and start establishing a legit business climate - with jobs for their people.
Preaching to the choir here... It sucks, no doubt.
Perhaps if we didn't let our corporations run congress this wouldn't happen?
That's not all though. Paco's stealing, outright, an identity, usually stolen for him by his employer. You too could 'start from scratch' if you were a flat-out identity thief.
To get your amnesty you'd have to sink down to the level of identity thievery.
The point in granting all current illegals amnesty is two-fold:
1. Because we simply don't have the manpower and brass balls as a nation to find all these illegals and deport them all. Heck, the fuel bill alone would be in the trillions!
2. Since we can't deport them, there's no point starting up something uglier at all because the fact is that american businesses did the lionshare of the evil here... Why shoot the peons that got caught in the middle and leave them out of it?
This all comes down to politics. Vote RP and well, nothing really would change much soon but perhaps he'd make a lot of people think about it in new ways and eventually something would.
Now this is a whole different set of naivety. Mexico doesn't want us there, and handing them money is one sure way to waste it.
Since taking over mexico is like inheriting lots of debt, we really have no choice but to isolate ourselves from them, and focus on our own laws and drug legalization for a change.
How come the unions still allow it? They run congress more than the corps. Ahhh, because they are looking to anmesty then unionization. selfish bastards.
I am sorry but the American people cannot stomach your solution - the Govt will have to cram it down their throats - which they will eventually. It all BS - you and I have to obey the law or we are F'd. The illegal has more rights than those legal.
RP has some good ideas and if he won the primary then fine. But he wont, so any anti Obama vote will have to do.
I was not talking about giving them the money and you are right Mexico does not want us - why should they when they are raking in hundreds of millions+ in JV drug cartel participation.
Legalize drugs. The cartels are no match for Pfizer.
Any anti Obama vote will not do.. If it isn't RP, then it simply doesn't matter who wins.
actually it does. Obama is much worse for the country than many alternatives. The proper Pres will have you back to a nice economy flush with employed people that will be buying berries again.
BWHAHAHAHA!!!! :banana_sml::banana_sml::banana_sml:
And daisies will grow out of my butt, too!