No More Homework in France!
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Let's be honest, I think if I was in France, I'd be more worried about the fact that critcizing their drug policy or taking photos of the police is a crime..
Homework in and of itself is bullshit. Just imagine if I came to your house and told you you gotta write a 5 page report on early Egyptian sculpture and have it done within 5 days. You'd tell me to get fucked. It's fine n' dandy though because children are children, they're these inferior beings whose needs and wants are disregarded, because we're up here and they're down there.
SkyFire, I hope you kick ass at the home schooling. I mainly want to make money so I can have kids and hang out with them instead of sending them to school.
To state the obvious, you don't learn shit in school. We teach kids the same retarded math for 8-9 years in a row. Most kids at 10 years old could learn in a few weeks all of the math public schools expect of high school freshman.
I'm going to avoid ranting about compulsory education, it makes me too angry and I'd be writing for the next few hours.
To state the obvious, you don't learn shit in school. We teach kids the same retarded math for 8-9 years in a row. Most kids at 10 years old could learn in a few weeks all of the math public schools expect of high school freshman.
I'm going to avoid ranting about compulsory education, it makes me too angry and I'd be writing for the next few hours.
We basically already have this in the United States in places where social promotion is the norm. Even if you don't do your homework, you're still passed along to the next grade.
I see you've never shared a dorm with someone who's retarded at maths and tried to explain age 5 level maths to them.
The real question becomes...
Alright, we've obviously gotten ourselves a very hard question here. The state school systems globally are so twisted and contorted that it's hard for even the smarter among us here to tell which solution leads to a better outcome.
I'm just talking to people here who do not like state intrusion on any level: Let's figure out which is more intrusive overall, because I may be wrong but I can't see how...
On one hand, France decreeing 'no homework' intrudes on the frenchies' rights by:
And on the other hand, France NOT decreeing 'no homework' intrudes on the frenchies' rights by:
I searched the whole thread and can't find another argument for the second list... Please speak up if you have one. (Concerned with state intrusion.)
I can see how this might boil down into an argument about which class of people we're trying to protect from intrusion: Those who care enough to quiz their kids daily about what they were taught (Group A) versus those that don't care enough and rely on homework as a crutch to peek into their child's educational materials. (Group B)
My parents were obviously in group B, and if I wasn't bringing homework home every single day from kindergarten on up my parents wouldn't have had a clue what courses I took at all. Further, I feel that the full majority of american parents are in Group B too... So purely from a state resistance standpoint; wouldn't it be better for national laws on this matter to target the class of parents in Group B?
You may be in group A now, but targeting group A with national policy would be akin to marketing an ebook about advanced trading tactics only by billboard!
Alright, we've obviously gotten ourselves a very hard question here. The state school systems globally are so twisted and contorted that it's hard for even the smarter among us here to tell which solution leads to a better outcome.
I'm just talking to people here who do not like state intrusion on any level: Let's figure out which is more intrusive overall, because I may be wrong but I can't see how...
On one hand, France decreeing 'no homework' intrudes on the frenchies' rights by:
- Stopping teachers from teaching the way they see best.
- Stopping parents (that care a bit but not enough to constantly ask their children what they learned TODAY, everyday) from knowing what their children are being taught.
- Stopping those same parents from taking the next step and correcting the bad lessons learned from the state that day.
And on the other hand, France NOT decreeing 'no homework' intrudes on the frenchies' rights by:
- Allowing teachers to send home more bothersome homework to annoy parents who aren't likely smart enough to help with it anyway.
I searched the whole thread and can't find another argument for the second list... Please speak up if you have one. (Concerned with state intrusion.)
I can see how this might boil down into an argument about which class of people we're trying to protect from intrusion: Those who care enough to quiz their kids daily about what they were taught (Group A) versus those that don't care enough and rely on homework as a crutch to peek into their child's educational materials. (Group B)
My parents were obviously in group B, and if I wasn't bringing homework home every single day from kindergarten on up my parents wouldn't have had a clue what courses I took at all. Further, I feel that the full majority of american parents are in Group B too... So purely from a state resistance standpoint; wouldn't it be better for national laws on this matter to target the class of parents in Group B?
You may be in group A now, but targeting group A with national policy would be akin to marketing an ebook about advanced trading tactics only by billboard!
When I have kids, there will be nightly dictionary and encyclopedia recitations after all their homework is done. The art of the abacus would follow to make sure their arithmetic doesn't suffer.
Kids get off light anyway. Removing homework just makes them lazy.
Kids get off light anyway. Removing homework just makes them lazy.
I refuse to have kids, mostly because my parents were such selfish bastards, too busy keeping up with the joneses to spend time with us...
But homework forced them to do so. Their pride would not allow for me to go tell my teachers that my parents wouldn't help me with my homework.
Perhaps that's just the mindset in the south though. Smarter parents would have the opposite problem, that without homework they couldn't often see what kind of propaganda is being forced upon junior. (Of course that's only for the VERY smart ppl in america, who are smart enough to recognize that the propoganda exists and they need to protect junior from it.)
I'm curious why you feel that some school-assigned work is oppressive to the parents? Don't you want to stand between the damaging info and your child and correct it? Without homework, the kid gets that plus much more propaganda...
Because LukeP is a fucking idiot and he's trying his hardest to reach 6000 posts. You're right, what LukeP said doesn't make any sense. Why does the state have to provide homework when the parents can just ask their kids what they learned? LukeP's excuse of "Oh well maybe parents don't want to bother asking their kids ever day" doesn't hold water because those same parents won't bother looking through their kid's homework either.
Lol, most parents don't fit into group B.
They fit into group C:
Those that "rely on homework as a crutch to peek into their child's educational materials" and also believe in what the state teaches anyway, so have nothing to correct.
It's hilarious that you think that something as simple as kids not having homework will somehow stop parents from teaching their kids whatever they see fit.
If you give a shit, look into the school curriculum, see what they're being taught, and teach them their own stuff on top of it/"correct" them.
In the end you'll get the kids in trouble at school when they "correct" teachers for saying certain things anyway.
If a parent cares that much about the exact education their kid gets, they should teach the kid themselves. Don't put them in the school system in the first place.
Most home schooled kids I've met in life are utterly socially retarded, though.
Don't know why but all of this parent fixing what's taught in school reminds me of this clip.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5PyeMG8Lo&sns=em]Funny Waterboy clip - Medula Ablangata - YouTube[/ame]
Teaching kids the opposite of what's being taught at school is just going to cause trouble. Either they will fail their tests or speak up like in the video.
Parents who are involved with their kids are going to know what's going on in school whether they have homework or not. If you are relying on homework to know what's going on at your kids school you are doing it wrong.
Try having a second grader spend 8 hrs in school, a couple of hours at gymnastics/dance or peewee football and then come home with 2+ hours of homework. Most homework is just plain busy work and a waste of time. Personally I never learned one thing from homework. If the teachers can't teach the material in 8 hours they spend with the kids then they should find new teachers. Stop wasting time in school and let the kids be kids after school.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VF5PyeMG8Lo&sns=em]Funny Waterboy clip - Medula Ablangata - YouTube[/ame]
Teaching kids the opposite of what's being taught at school is just going to cause trouble. Either they will fail their tests or speak up like in the video.
Parents who are involved with their kids are going to know what's going on in school whether they have homework or not. If you are relying on homework to know what's going on at your kids school you are doing it wrong.
Try having a second grader spend 8 hrs in school, a couple of hours at gymnastics/dance or peewee football and then come home with 2+ hours of homework. Most homework is just plain busy work and a waste of time. Personally I never learned one thing from homework. If the teachers can't teach the material in 8 hours they spend with the kids then they should find new teachers. Stop wasting time in school and let the kids be kids after school.
Although I never was a huge fan of homework, I always did enjoy projects. Especially science projects that you could do with friends. To me that was always fun and it helped me learn real life skills. Now I heavily focus on project management and have a blast doing it.
Though you can argue that even when it comes to projects, these can be done during class time.
Though you can argue that even when it comes to projects, these can be done during class time.