No More Homework in France!

the sole purpose of any public educational system is to stomp out every bit of curiosity and enthusiasm a child may actually have towards anything.

if there is a subject a child is passionate about before they find out a school offers a class on it, there will be a child who lost their passion for that subject a year later. public schools have a strong tendency to make things seem boring, whether they are or not.

then when you're so bored out of your mind in class because of how tedious they make what should be even the most exciting things, that you just mentally check out to preserve your sanity, you get some tenured asshole on your back telling you how if you won't do a bunch of mind numbing tutorials, you're kidding yourself if you think you will be making a living with it.

nevermind that you know the material better than the teacher does. nevermind the adage "those that can't, teach". nope.. don't do homework, you get to hear a few times a week how you're going to be a loser when you grow up.

and that was just when i was in school.. over a decade ago now. kids have it even harder today.

teachers treat their students with the same disdain an angst filled teenager has for the customers at his fast food gig. except the fast food guy is more justified because people really do treat him like shit.

teachers hate their students because "they're too stupid to get normal test scores, the whole fucking class" (yeah, seen this enough times to consider it a typical attitude of many teachers), couldn't possibly be that they may be bad at their job.

and if a kid decides he doesn't like be treated like a retard? too bad. if the kid doesn't go to school, he gets charged with truancy, and if that escalates, hello juvenile detention, here's another rascal for you, we'll keep em coming.
 


bluechinagroup said:
Although I never was a huge fan of homework, I always did enjoy projects. Especially science projects that you could do with friends. To me that was always fun and it helped me learn real life skills. Now I heavily focus on project management and have a blast doing it.

Though you can argue that even when it comes to projects, these can be done during class time.
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My favorite class activities were in science classes where kids were tasked with inventing things. I wish that had been the entire class...it would have been much more productive.
 
SkyFire said:
designed to BREAD flag waiving sheep.
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JohnCJackson said:
homework is nothing but state oppression of the parents and family.
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Again, I'm not going to argue for the merits of the work itself... But to say its' only purpose is to oppress parents and family is rather, shall we say, tinfoil-hatty. What would be the public schools' motive to oppress YOU personally? Isn't it enough to make your kid think like a statist and keep him stupid? You believe they actually send "oppressive" materials home with him day after day to affect you and the rest of your household?


mituozo said:
most parents...fit into group C:

Those that ...believe in what the state teaches anyway, so have nothing to correct.
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Of course I feel that this is the norm in America; My two scenarios exclude that group though... I had asked which class of people would be protected from intrusion by cancelling homework. Those that invite the intrusion aren't part of the equation.


JohnCJackson said:
In the end you'll get the kids in trouble at school when they "correct" teachers for saying certain things anyway.
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jschmidli said:
Teaching kids the opposite of what's being taught at school is just going to cause trouble.
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This point you two just made is a at the same time a good point and a horrible personal revelation... Please tell me you both homeschool 100%!


JohnCJackson said:
It's hilarious that you think that something as simple as kids not having homework will somehow stop parents from teaching their kids whatever they see fit.
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Who said I think that? I'm talking about federal restrictions that apply to the lowest common denominator, not how children should be best schooled at home. Stop making wild assumptions.

Since you don't seem to have a very good grasp on my position I'll spell it out for you: All parents should homeschool and those that don't are bad parents that I wish would sterilize themselves.


Mendax said:
Poorest excuse ever.
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And you know so much about me and my parents' job raising me because...?

If you're not my actual brother, then you're a Douchenozzle. Fuck off.
 
lukep said:
And you know so much about me and my parents' job raising me because...?
If you're not my actual brother, then you're a Douchenozzle. Fuck off.
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fuck a duck,I am your actual brother. Dad thinks you're a dick and said shut ya stupid beak.
 
If French kids want to do homework on their own time then they're free to do it. Nobody is forcing them to do it with the threat of detention and failure. Isn't this exactly what you preach?

You're just butthurt because a socialist country is doing something libertarian and you can't handle it.
 
lukep said:
Lulz; If you were my brother then you were the only one of us who attended his funeral so I think you might have noticed he doesn't talk much anymore.
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Yep, he's been dead quiet since the funeral. Sounds like you've had a traumatic upbringing so no lultz to be had here, but just bc your parents were selfish is no good reason to not have kids.
 
johnmatrix said:
If French kids want to do homework on their own time then they're free to do it. Nobody is forcing them to do it with the threat of detention and failure. Isn't this exactly what you preach?

You're just butthurt because a socialist country is doing something libertarian and you can't handle it.
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By golly, you're right. It's the "Freedom" I can't handle, isn't it? Those damn frogs are forcing too much freedom on kids and I must be insanely jealous. :sleep:

Don't be a nincompoop. There is a discarding of rights here for parents that is far more important than the freedom for kids to choose to do their homework or not.

You just don't see the threat. That's ok, you've outed yourself as a socialist state-lover, so I won't try to force you to see it. But from where I'm standing this isn't much freedom (for kids) to gain versus the importance of the rights given up here. (By parents)
 
Mendax said:
...but just bc your parents were selfish is no good reason to not have kids.
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I'm sure this has been done on another thread, but let's hear a good reason from you.
  1. To perpetuate the species?
  2. To (selfishly) create a form of immortality for myself by leaving a spawn here after I die?
  3. To give something of myself to the planet that is unique?
  4. So that I can satisfy some primal urge?

I have yet to hear of a compelling reason to create offspring. I have heard that if you have offspring you tend to care deeply for them, and because of my shitty upbringing and who I married, I'm now the kind of person who has very high standards about how well I take care of those I care deeply for...

So the amount of work I'd have to give myself to properly take care of my offspring would far surpass most any other parent's work doing so in history... And I still don't see any reason to do it in the first place.

Most importantly though, even if I did have a kid and do the best job parenting that history has ever witnessed; Would I really want to leave them in this shitty world at this time in history? Seems like a pretty horrible thing to do to someone you love...
 
TheCheesePolice said:
Wouldn't the libertarian way be to allow (private) schools to choose whether their students should get homework or not?
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Kinda. The libertarian way would be to not have any laws on the books one way or the other. This is a law that says teachers can't assign homework... Another lack of freedom.
 
lukep said:
Kinda. The libertarian way would be to not have any laws on the books one way or the other. This is a law that says teachers can't assign homework... Another lack of freedom.
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Yet you support allowing teachers forcing their homework on children. Would you agree that sometimes you have to force people to do things for their own good? such as homework.
 
I want to shake Lukep's hand now for not wanting to spread his bat shit crazy genes into this world.
 
johnmatrix said:
Yet you support allowing teachers forcing their homework on children. Would you agree that sometimes you have to force people to do things for their own good? such as homework.
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Well the difference is that going to school would be voluntary in a libertarian society, so it's not really forcing it onto someone, it's a mutual agreement.
 
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