Ok Then My First Real MoneyMaking Thread
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Yeah except the person isn't converting because they want whatever the lead is meant for still
I just read this thread for the first time.
Inertia,
Attempts to defraud advertisers within any ad network is taken very seriously. The sophistication of most tracking systems will catch tricks such as those applied by yourself. This is evident in your campaign being shut down prior to anyone reading this thread.
These tricks and schemes only devalue and eliminate the revenues and profits that can be made in affiliate marketing by legitimate providers of traffic. This is similar to shoplifting in a store, you might get something for free but everyone else pays for it in the end. The advertiser needs much more than the first page filled out for them to make their money back
If you spend half the time you spend thinking of a new scheme and apply it to real marketing you might surprise yourself and build a revenue stream that will last, as opposed to a number on a screen that disappears on the next refresh of your stats.
Inertia,
Attempts to defraud advertisers within any ad network is taken very seriously. The sophistication of most tracking systems will catch tricks such as those applied by yourself. This is evident in your campaign being shut down prior to anyone reading this thread.
These tricks and schemes only devalue and eliminate the revenues and profits that can be made in affiliate marketing by legitimate providers of traffic. This is similar to shoplifting in a store, you might get something for free but everyone else pays for it in the end. The advertiser needs much more than the first page filled out for them to make their money back
If you spend half the time you spend thinking of a new scheme and apply it to real marketing you might surprise yourself and build a revenue stream that will last, as opposed to a number on a screen that disappears on the next refresh of your stats.
Yeah sounds right, but what about all those advertisers having email submit campaigns, what do you think they do after they get those emails? Needless to say they spam the shit out of them and last time I checked spamming was illegal, yet these advertisers advertise on your site.
That's the most ignorant post I've read in a long while!
So you think it's spam and balk at the advertiser for it, but are more than willing to participate and subject surfers to it... as long as you're getting paid for junk leads?!?!?
No, it's not spam. It's email marketing, and if they follow CanSpam, is not against the law. The surfer signs up on their own accord, and there are terms which (if the surfer bothers to read them) allows the advertiser to email them. The surfer has the information required to decide whether they want to sign up or not.
Acquiring the email address is just the first (and really very minor) step in monetizing the lead sufficiently to pay the $1 - $1.50 per sign up as well as pay for the occassional freebie they do give out for those who follow all the steps. The amount the merchant can pay is higher than just the value of the email address on the first page because some people will sign up for a coreg along the way, or take a third party offer, or whatever, and overall they earn a profit by on the higher rate for just the email address. If an affiliate only delivers crap traffic which simply signs up for the first page and does nothing else, the merchant loses out big time.
JP, isn't you calling someone ignorant the pot calling the kettle black? you run the most ignorant CPA network in the world!
Alright then mr. JP, I realise you have to make some image of your company, so that advertisers actually believe their traffic won't be as crap as it will be. But where do the majority of leads come from... from 10 000 sites having banners which are clicked once in a week?
well lets just start with your interface, it makes directrack look like the shiznit! then there are all your crap tastic rules and checking with you to do this or do that and can't this or that, amazing anyone ever uses you!
and that is just the start!
and that is just the start!
I dunno, I think the interface is to the point without giving away the farm. It's not all snazzed-up but it gets the job done IMO. Not sure what rules you disagree with but a TOS is nothing new. Anything in particular? And you only have to check if you're doing something that may not be allowed, we need to run it by the merchant. Doing things by the book isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Well certainly not all the leads bought are crap, or the merchant would just kill the offer. How are good leads generated? Email marketing, newsletters, exit pops, and yes banners and text links when allowed by the merchant.
Rules to follow = merchants not getting abused.... and if your A.M. says you can't do something, there's a reason for it. Better to check and ensure you're not breaking the rules, than making the assumption and being booted later. For every affiliate asking permission on an obvious question, there's another who'll try something obviously against the terms without asking. Really though, the only situation where you require permission is when you change a creative, or plan on using frames in an unusual fashion.... mostly it's just common sense.
Its cool i understand all the cpa people come and say this and i already said i didnt condone doing it, nor did i do it for too long, i do think its funny though, ohhhh youll def instantly get banned blah blah blah, yeah ok you people believe whatever you want, maybe your all just too retarded to make it work who knows
Yeah havok, I know you just tested, so no bash on you. (Glad you didn't test it with MaxBounty though! 
) Like I said before, the idea does have merit when implemented as I suggested. I think your idea is pretty clever actually. Unfortunately some networks are more unscrupulous than others, so if someone wants to persist with the naughty version, they might eventually find a taker.
A few reasons Wiy.
- Porn surfers are people looking pretty much solely for porn, so even if some merchants would consider testing it, no doubt the quality of the leads would be extremely low.
- An affiliate website is typically reviewed by a network to allow access to all their ads. While a handful of merchants might consider allowing adult traffic if they had the option, the vast majority would not, and there's no easy way to allow an affiiate account access to only those few which would allow it. For every affiliate who puts the permitted ads on the allowed merchants, you'll get one making a mistake... and it's a pretty big mistake to make.
- Porn is pretty varied. That merchant who might consider porn could be thinking soft porn... and not the extremely hardcore or deviant stuff. Who's to review this stuff and how do you determine what's acceptable in between.
- Mostly though, virtually no merchant wants to be associated with porn. They spend time building up a strong brand, and even accidentally getting on a porn site would hurt that brand. Allowing it into the network would probably risk the relationship with many affiliates and merchants who feel strongly against it.
) Like I said before, the idea does have merit when implemented as I suggested. I think your idea is pretty clever actually. Unfortunately some networks are more unscrupulous than others, so if someone wants to persist with the naughty version, they might eventually find a taker.A few reasons Wiy.
- Porn surfers are people looking pretty much solely for porn, so even if some merchants would consider testing it, no doubt the quality of the leads would be extremely low.
- An affiliate website is typically reviewed by a network to allow access to all their ads. While a handful of merchants might consider allowing adult traffic if they had the option, the vast majority would not, and there's no easy way to allow an affiiate account access to only those few which would allow it. For every affiliate who puts the permitted ads on the allowed merchants, you'll get one making a mistake... and it's a pretty big mistake to make.
- Porn is pretty varied. That merchant who might consider porn could be thinking soft porn... and not the extremely hardcore or deviant stuff. Who's to review this stuff and how do you determine what's acceptable in between.
- Mostly though, virtually no merchant wants to be associated with porn. They spend time building up a strong brand, and even accidentally getting on a porn site would hurt that brand. Allowing it into the network would probably risk the relationship with many affiliates and merchants who feel strongly against it.
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