Ron Paul in statistical tie for first in Iowa
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Perhaps you're not friends with many pot smokers in non-medicinal states. They're getting blazed on election day watching movies, not voting. Marijuana will always be cheaper illegally and pot smokers know that. Cops don't really care about it so it's not a big deal. If anything, this is a trivial issue that doesn't matter.
i've disagreed with a lot you've said in here so far, espcially since your still all about the image of ron paul.
you say your mom or grandma don't know who RP is, and i've experienced the same. that will all change if he wins Iowa, and these other states b/c he'll be a front runner.
this last point you made about pot smokers really irritates me. it is a trivial issue, but if pot was legal then you could grow it for FREE. your statement about it being more expensive if it was legal is the first, and hopefully the last time i'll ever hear that.
That's exactly why I said "new Jimmy Carter". No one knew about him and everyone (in the media) wrote him off until he started owning caucus and primaries. The exact same thing could happen with RP.
However, the GOP will probably fuck him again.
Explanation? Not to sound like a jackass, but there's really nothing I can take from that statement.
Legalization of pot in all states doesn't necessarily mean it'll be a "free for all" where everybody can grow and get high freely. If it's legalized, it will be gov't regulated in some capacity.
I speak mainly from experience in a state where MJ is illegal. Pot is dirt cheap compared to dispensary prices and it's mainly a circle-jerk within the ring of friends you're in. Getting into the ring is much less than difficult. It's not hard to grow, and if you're caught with pot it's generally not more than a $100 misdemeanor...making risk very low.
The point of my post was not the intricate economics of marijuana legalization, it was the point that the topic is completely irrelevant to political campaigning for presidency.
JC was before my time, so i don't know sh!t about him, although i heard he sucked balls as el presidente.
If Ron Paul gained traction, i have a sinking feeling that some uber powerful people will do something to rig/sabotage the election to make sure he doesn't win - that would be some exciting shit to see
Wrong. Sure shitty dirt weed is cheaper than medicinal, but regardless the overall price would drop significantly.
Speak up about it then.
I hope, but that's still not close to a guarantee given the media's position on RP. They absolutely abhor him, it's not like winning Iowa will make them say "Ron Paul is the front runner!"
As I asked guerilla, please explain. Can any random person grow and smoke their own pot in California? Obviously not, which is why everybody flocks to dispensaries.
it's called you get a medical marijuana card and grow it for yourself. which is legal.
i've never met a pot smoker that want weed to be illegal, the only ppl that want it to stay legal are growers and dealers
Maybe my stance could be slightly rephrased. I agree, I don't know any pot smoker that wants weed to be illegal. Because if it's legal, there's less of a chance of them getting a ticket. But most pot smokers don't grow, they rely on growers.
In the context of actual voting, pot growers may be more apt to vote for somebody who is pro-legalization, because if they're caught there's a chance there will be less ramifications. Or they'll get a card to grow legally themselves. But for every pot grower, there are 100+ consumers. As far as voting goes, this is statistically irrelevant.
Pot consumers are lazy, and honestly could care less about showing up to a primary election to vote for somebody like Gary Johnson. Because they know either way, they're going to get their dime bag for cheap (unless you're paying premium price in a place like Cali). I've smoked CA medicinal and NY local...there is without a doubt a difference. But your average pothead just wants to get high, and right now it's extremely easy to do so illegally. It's not worth paying attention to politics, you just hope that one day it's like Amsterdam.
A politician will lose more voters than gain them by saying "pot should be legalized". The masses view it as a drug, like cocaine.
your generalizing that most pot heads are complete burnouts though.
i know people that smoke pot that are intelligent and care about their country. these people would go out and vote for someone they believe in, whether they are pro pot or not.
if a pot head only cares about which politician is going to legalize weed, they theyre dumbasses. the pot heads you describe are like typical college dropouts/losers IMO
Of course it's a generalization. I know many pot smokers that are intellectuals.
In a matter of political voting the general public is the most important thing. Generally speaking, potheads do not pay attention to politics so long as they have easy access to weed. Weed is easily accessed pretty much everywhere, and for affordable prices.
If Ron Paul comes out talking about how he wants to legalize weed, he'll be shooting himself in the brain with the tens of millions of religious voters that will instantly hate him.
yea he doesn't though. i haven't heard it emphasize the war on drugs in a long time.
lets wait and see what happens. i think the picture is becoming clearer with each debate - all the other candidates are attacking each other about petty bullshit, and RP is the only one that continues to be serious and professional, i think ppl are going to notice that.
lets wait and see what happens. i think the picture is becoming clearer with each debate - all the other candidates are attacking each other about petty bullshit, and RP is the only one that continues to be serious and professional, i think ppl are going to notice that.
Hasn't RP said that he thinks that legalizing mj could stimulate the economy? If we were the first country in the west to fully to legalize it we'd have a great thing going.
Good luck trying to sell it to the Christian right though.
First, I know RP hasn't talked much about the war on drugs. My initial comment was in regards to someone like Gary Johnson, who was a hot topic with potheads for a couple weeks.
Second, the picture may become more clear to you and me, but the masses focus on the "petty bullshit". They're drawn to drama, things like Gingrich's comments on Palestine and Romney's $10,000 bet. While this isn't good for either of them, it takes attention away from Ron Paul by the sentiment 'any press is good press'. The subtle, intelligent voters get this...but they're not close the majority. In a voting system dependent on the electoral college, the masses are your primary target.
The marijuana lobby is more powerful than ever, but I wasn't talking about people that would vote for Paul specifically because they want legalization. I'm referring to how it effects Paul's overall image.
The stereotype is that republican candidates are stuck in the 50s while the democrats want "progress" and "change." Paul being for legalization and Obama not, would be be one thing that makes it harder for them to promote Obama as the hipper and cooler candidate.
This is more basic economics than intricate. Restrictions on things like cultivation and distribution make those things harder to do and drive up prices, such as happened during alcohol prohibition.
Your friends may be able to grow it for "cheap", but do you really think that the combined forces of Marlboro, Walmart and such wouldn't be able to do it for cheaper?
We also have to consider the millions spent on law enforcement and prisons for the war on drugs.