Street Self Defense

WingAndAPrayer said:
Let me save you the time, money, misplaced sense of security and potential hospital bills:

Eyes, Nose, Throat, Balls

You hit one of these and you run like hell.

The best training for self defense is the 200m sprint
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Agree, and that's a lot of what is taught in Krav. It's not a traditional martial art focused on katas and other fancy bullshit, or MMA/Muay Thai that has rules, Krav is about doing max damage and getting out of a bad situation.

Knowing where weak points are at, and having the muscle memory/training to strike fast and hard are two different things. Just because you know you should strike someone in the throat doesn't mean you will be very effective at doing that if you haven't practiced it, or learned how to defend yourself in a situation where you don't manage to strike first.
 


Yeah, I told my neighbor this morning that he absolutely did the right thing... but since this was so close to my place, it just made me wonder how I would/should respond if that happened to me.

The idea of being a bad-ass and just decking the guy is attractive, but this isn't a movie. The last fight I was in (and hopefully the last I'll ever be in) almost went very badly because the other guy turned out to have a weapon I didn't know about. Very lucky I'm not dead or retarded or in a wheelchair right now.
 
dogfighter said:
This is a concealed carry state, but again... shoot someone on a city street for spitting on you and see what happens.
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I've only had my life threatened once during my lifetime and the entire altercation was ended in less than 3 seconds by merely showing the assailant my weapon. I didn't even have to remove it from the holster.
 
Can you imagine if he'd had his girlfriend with him when this happened? THAT'S the really scary part. From what he told me, this guy was doing everything he could do get a fight, even after he followed my neighbor into Wendys. He apparently chose another patron and tried to start some shit with him next. If he'd had his gf with him, I'm sure the guy would have tried to do something to her in order to get a rise out of him. And by eyeballs, my neighbor is about 6'2, maybe 230lbs so he'd do some fucking damage.
 
papajohn56 said:
get a gun, you may live in an open carry state. nobody spits on the guy with a visible holstered 9mm
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Stupid comment, you don't show your holster. You don't pull your piece unless you are going to use it. You don't let anyone know you have it until the bullet is flying. This isn't some geek physics online pissing contest where you can show how cool you are, this is real life and people die because they showed their piece, making the other person feel threatened and giving the other person time to shoot first.

OP has 2 choices:
Move to a better neighborhood
or
Stop using public transportation where all the losers are

Do carry a weapon + mace or a retractable steel baton. Don't use it in such a situation. Run away. You have something to lose, he doesn't. It is just that simple. Only pull out either weapon if in danger and pull out your weapon based on the level of threat. I personally prefer the steel baton. I always keep such a thing in my car just in case. The example regarding the GF is perfect. I wouldn't shoot someone over that, but if he got physical with my girl, out comes the steel baton and swift blow to the head.

Don't listen to repressed internet geeks who watch a lot of TV.
 
greenleaves said:
Stupid comment, you don't show your holster. You don't pull your piece unless you are going to use it. You don't let anyone know you have it until the bullet is flying. This isn't some geek physics online pissing contest where you can show how cool you are, this is real life and people die because they showed their piece, making the other person feel threatened and giving the other person time to shoot first.

OP has 2 choices:
Move to a better neighborhood
or
Stop using public transportation where all the losers are

Do carry a weapon + mace or a retractable steel baton. Don't use it in such a situation. Run away. You have something to lose, he doesn't. It is just that simple. Only pull out either weapon if in danger and pull out your weapon based on the level of threat. I personally prefer the steel baton. I always keep such a thing in my car just in case. The example regarding the GF is perfect. I wouldn't shoot someone over that, but if he got physical with my girl, out comes the steel baton and swift blow to the head.

Don't listen to repressed internet geeks who watch a lot of TV.
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OK to clarify again, this did NOT happen on a bus... that's just where the conversation took place this morning. Also, I live in one of the nicest areas of Seattle. You're going to have to deal with a certain amount of this in ANY big city.

And excellent point about not showing the gun. Even telling someone you have a gun on your person is enough to get you arrested and potentially charged. Never pull it if you're not going to squeeze, and never point it at anything you're not willing to destroy.

Regarding the baton, a good idea but you still run the risk of having it taken from you and you also have to get close enough to use it.

Pepper spray is for the battered women's shelter, but seems to be a great way to give yourself a chance to run.
 
greenleaves said:
Do carry a weapon + mace or a retractable steel baton. Don't use it in such a situation. Run away. You have something to lose, he doesn't. It is just that simple. Only pull out either weapon if in danger and pull out your weapon based on the level of threat. I personally prefer the steel baton. I always keep such a thing in my car just in case. The example regarding the GF is perfect. I wouldn't shoot someone over that, but if he got physical with my girl, out comes the steel baton and swift blow to the head.
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this. was going to recommend a retractable baton.
 
I'm a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu assistant instructor and have a MMA Team as well here at Gracie Barra....it is great self defense....but I would get a concealed handgun license as a first defense.
 
Read "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob
and
"Facing Violence" by Rory Miller

Even if you are carrying, you're best bet is to run when possible. Nobody ever got thrown in jail or sued for running away.

However, unless you are 110% sure that the only way to protect yourself, or your loved ones is through lethal force, you don't use it [your gun]. Don't even show your weapon unless it's life and death. Even showing a gun to someone that isn't armed in a similar fashion can be considered an escalation of force making you the aggressor and giving the other party more latitude in how they deal with YOU.

If you carry, carry responsibly. Don't be a cowboy. You'll end up dead or in jail.
 
I'm a small guy. I have been all my life. As a Nam vet I have no qualms about taking someone out that is trying to hurt me.

I would rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. That said there is a time for restraint. If an easy exit is there then I would rather take it. However if some DA pulls a knife and wants my money he will have a hard time spending it at the funeral home.
 
dogfighter said:
OK to clarify again, this did NOT happen on a bus... that's just where the conversation took place this morning. Also, I live in one of the nicest areas of Seattle. You're going to have to deal with a certain amount of this in ANY big city.

And excellent point about not showing the gun. Even telling someone you have a gun on your person is enough to get you arrested and potentially charged. Never pull it if you're not going to squeeze, and never point it at anything you're not willing to destroy.

Regarding the baton, a good idea but you still run the risk of having it taken from you and you also have to get close enough to use it.

Pepper spray is for the battered women's shelter, but seems to be a great way to give yourself a chance to run.
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Every weapon can be taken from you. Saying that is redundant. If you have qualms about that, accept not having a weapon.

Regarding the close range nature of the baton, sure, but most non-lethal weapons, including pepper spray, involve a certain proximity to your aggressor. In fact, that is part of the whole deal they are intended for situations where the aggressor has approached you and you want to get away. A quick baton hit to the knee, head, or groin area and you have effectively immobilized your opponent.
 
I carry a retractable police baton. Small and easy happy medium. But if you were true ninja you'd carry nunchucks
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzXCCf2iCfg]Chin Jab (modified with Kuta) - YouTube[/ame]
 
cheshire said:
I've only had my life threatened once during my lifetime and the entire altercation was ended in less than 3 seconds by merely showing the assailant my weapon. I didn't even have to remove it from the holster.
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interesting point loved the video above btw
 
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