The Cure for Cancer

nickycakes said:
Not true or false, it depends on what's in the "shitty" diet. Even if you have less of a chance to get cancer with your healthy diet, it does not PREVENT cancer. You can still get it.
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Sure i can still get it but it wont be the cancer i would've gotten due to my shitty diet, it will be because of my smoking habit or whatever. Thus, that specific cancer was prevented.

BUT, this debate is about a diet being a viable treatment for existing cancer, which it simply is not, unless part of that diet is edible chemotherapy.
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the debate evolved. I believe it is a viable alternative but, of course I can't prove that.

I took the time to check you link, did you watch the vid I posted above? Diet was a viable alternative for her condition, and while it wasn't cancer it sure as fuck proves that food can heal and that the medical community doesn't always know what the fuck it's doing and may possibly have other motives.
 


lose lose win said:
You are contradicting yourself.

You said a shit diet can cause cancer but a good diet can't prevent it.

Either way.. I don't feel like debating shit tonight. Glad you're a survivor. Good luck and watch what you eat.
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Nickycakes might not have phrased it perfectly but he is definitely not contradicting himself.
 
eliquid said:
^^ wrong bro, you basing getting cancer off 1 variable only, when in fact you have a ton more in play.

Its like a split test. You cant ask that question and expect a solid answer with just 1 variable when many are in play unless you live in a vacuum.

Cancer is something that ANYONE can get at any time for pretty much ANY reason, its not like Sickle Cell Disease or other issues that generally are stemmed from 1 variable only you can not control at all and are predetermined at birth.
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do you not think there is ever an instance of cancer where shitty diet was 100% the cause?

While there may be many variables, remove one and you lessen your chance. That's all I can really definitively say, but I believe that diet is the main factor. When you say genetics play a role do you not think it's possible that your ancestors shitty diets affected their predisposition to cancer and thus yours? Diet is not just something that affects your immediate health. The effects of diet are far reaching and sometimes not obvious.
 
Last post in this thread for me. I was trying to stay out of WF tonight to get shit done.. just stopped by "real quick"

FOOD HEALS. If you don't believe that it's your loss and I'd urge you to look into it a whole lot more.
 
lose lose win said:
Well I guess I've just gone full retard bc if a shitty diet can cause cancer, how in the hell will a healthy diet not prevent it?
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because if I eat containmanted food with say pieces of fallout, I can get cancer from it.

if I instead eat like a vegan and eat organic, I can still get cancer from the mother fucker that sprayed bug spray in the air I breathe.
 
I used to work in a machine shop for 4 years. I would like to eat and live healthy, but I still inhaled and absorbed through my skin tons of tantalum, aluminium, formaldehyde, and other nasty gunk. Also, I live in Philly and want to live in NYC. I don't think I'm gonna get cancer, but it's got a pretty good shot at getting me.
 
eliquid said:
because if I eat containmanted food with say pieces of fallout, I can get cancer from it.

if I instead eat like a vegan and eat organic, I can still get cancer from the mother fucker that sprayed bug spray in the air I breathe.
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last post 4 realz

Using your logic, wearing a seat belt can't lessen the chance of injury in a car wreck because I might get hit by a car while riding my bike.

Or wearing a condom can't prevent STDs because I may get HIV from a blood transfusion.

That is literally the type of logic you guys are using.
 
bro, i like you and all.. but you are way off in the logic comparison here.

I got some free reviews to claim and some troll posts to make, I gotta make this my last post in this thread as well.
 
lose lose win said:
last post 4 realz

Using your logic, wearing a seat belt can't lessen the chance of injury in a car wreck because I might get hit by a car while riding my bike.

Or wearing a condom can't prevent STDs because I may get HIV from a blood transfusion.

That is literally the type of logic you guys are using.
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Logically sound argument here LLW... we're getting into philosophy here boys, better put on the tinfoil hats.
 
lose lose win said:
last post 4 realz

Using your logic, wearing a seat belt can't lessen the chance of injury in a car wreck because I might get hit by a car while riding my bike.

Or wearing a condom can't prevent STDs because I may get HIV from a blood transfusion.

That is literally the type of logic you guys are using.
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nickycakes said:
Nobody is debating that a shitty diet may increase your risk for cancer. But a good diet will NOT prevent or cure cancer.
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I know the message you're trying to get across is "don't dismiss traditional treatments like chemo" and I agree 100% but the statement I quoted is inaccurate.

Can dietary changes CURE cancer?

I don't know, so I definitely wouldn't recommend relying exclusively on dietary changes and ignoring the medical options you have at your disposal.

If you are diagnosed with cancer, the treatment your doctor recommends should be your #1 priority.

But do dietary changes have a role in the PREVENTION of cancer and recurrence?

In my opinion, there's overwhelming evidence that suggests they do.

nickycakes said:
I consider legitimate sources like Johns Hopkins Medical to be much more reputable than the link posted in the OP
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I agree that sources like Johns Hopkins Medical are reliable and for that reason, this post is based on data from their websites.

According to them:

"There are no food or dietary supplements that will act as “magic bullets” to prevent breast cancer from returning. National Cancer Institute guidelines for cancer prevention can be used to decrease the chance of a breast cancer recurrence. "

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Another quote:

"Dr. Silvia Franceschi of the Centro di Riferimento Oncologico in Aviano and colleagues compared the diets of 4,522 patients with breast, colon or rectal cancer with 5,155 healthy control participants. Writing in the journal Epidemiology, they noted that those who consumed the highest amount of raw vegetables—about 12 servings per week—had a 15 percent reduction in breast cancer risk, a 26 percent risk reduction for colon cancer, and a 16 percent risk reduction for rectal cancer when compared with those who consumed only 4 servings of raw vegetables per week. "

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The first quote refers to the role your diet can have in decreasing the chance of a cancer recurrence and the second quote refers to the role your diet can have in decreasing the risk of getting cancer.

So again:

Can dietary changes cure cancer?

We don't know, so dietary changes should definitely not replace cancer therapy.

Can dietary changes help prevent cancer?

Yes (quote #2).

Can dietary changes help prevent recurrences?

Yes (quote #1).
 
charlie.simm said:
Can dietary changes cure cancer?

We don't know, so dietary changes should definitely not replace cancer therapy.

Can dietary changes help prevent cancer?

Yes (quote #2).

Can dietary changes help prevent recurrences?

Yes (quote #1).
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I am not debating any of your points and actually agree with them all. The point the OP and LLW were trying to make was more "fuck medicine, doctors just want your money, do this miracle diet and you can completely cure/prevent cancer' which is simply not true.
 
After my Grandmother passed away from cancer 3 months ago, I realized doctors care more about drugs than they do about nutrition and diet. My doctor over-chemo'd her when she was barely eating, and that's what took her away. If only they paid more attention to her diet first and foremost she would still be alive today.
 
lose lose win said:
I fucking lol'd.

Also, as soon as I read the thread title i came in to post that food is the cure. Food is magical... I know that sounds gay as hell... but it's true.

TEDxIowaCity - Dr. Terry Wahls - Minding Your Mitochondria - YouTube

Food is literally the answer to all of your problems, and at the same time, the cause of all of your problems.
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Nice vid. Wife n' I both watched it, convinced me (she's been convinced already but it's hard to make a significant dietary change when you're married if the other isn't willing) to eat more in line with a diet that the doc. above suggests.

The corruption of the pharma industry is undeniable, just as it is in the political realm. Going to do as much as I can to not become one of their customers they can exploit. Yeah, not all medicine is flawed, but they seriously have shit ass-backwards on so many levels it's absurd.
 
taktikz said:
After my Grandmother passed away from cancer 3 months ago, I realized doctors care more about drugs than they do about nutrition and diet. My doctor over-chemo'd her when she was barely eating, and that's what took her away. If only they paid more attention to her diet first and foremost she would still be alive today.
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EVERY funeral I've ever been to was due to cancer. You know how many times a doctor said anything about diet to any one of those people? Zero. They may have made an off comment about them needing to watch what they eat, but that's it. Most docs haven't had any education on the topic since medical school... the only other source of info they get is from pharmaceutical reps. Seemslegit.jpg


Odds are pretty high that I may get cancer, but I eat 100% differently (not retarded) than the rest of my family and I truly believe I can prevent it. The KEY word is inflammation. Simple sugars/carbs are like gasoline to the inflammatory process. Inflammation can also be thought of as the aging process or death.
 
nickycakes said:
dude you have reading comprehension or logic problems.

refraining from eating uranium prevents cancer just as much as a good diet does. get it now?
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Damn, I made it as simple as possible to show that you are contradficing yourself and that your logic sucks.

Comparing not eating Uranium to eating healthy food rather than not eating shit food is retarded. I can't believe you actually think you're right... or that there are other people in this thread who think you're right. I made it obvious as hell.

Jesus Christ could come down right now and tell me that you're not contradicting yourself and I would call him a tard.

**Not really. I love you Jebus.
 
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