The Cure for Cancer

Curing cancer will only increase live expectancy in developed countries on average by 3 years.

With social media as it is today, if there was really a cure for cancer that worked, it would be out there and people would be talking about it. The media would pick up on it, it'd be too big of a story for them not to. Doctors with consciences would be making websites and giving the treatment under the radar and shit. You'd be able to get treated for it on the black market.

I agree that big pharma has more incentive to come up with new treatments which slow down cancer than to cure it, but people that think a cure is out there and being covered up by evil big pharma are delusional. Heck, a cure may have been discovered which got no funding because it cured cancer. If there is a cure out there, it hasn't been successfully used on humans yet.

The affiliate marketers which profit from selling this natural cancer cure shit sicken me. At least the shit big pharma sell has some kind of scientific evidence behind its abilities to slow down and cause cancer to regress in some cases.
 


Nobody on either side of my entire known family has had cancer except for my 75 year old grandfather's brother who smoked since he was 15. What are the odds of that when according to the stats, 1 in 2 people will get cancer by the age of 85?

Shit seems mostly genetic. My mum's side of the family have a lot of heart problems though, common in Scottish folk.
 
Nobody on either side of my entire known family has had cancer except for my 75 year old grandfather's brother who smoked since he was 15. What are the odds of that when according to the stats, 1 in 2 people will get cancer by the age of 85?

Shit seems mostly genetic. My mum's side of the family have a lot of heart problems though, common in Scottish folk.

How big is your entire known family?

Not to mention, your entire known family isn't 85 yet.

More than statistically possible.

Most cancers are due to environmental factors, but genetics impact the amount you are susceptible for each. E.g. you might be a smoker and have genetics which make you less prone to lung cancer. You may be black so less prone to skin cancer, etc..

Anyone can get cancer. You're exposed to thousands of carcinogens throughout your life, any one of which could damage your DNA in a way which leads to the formation of a cancer cell.

Getting cancer is actually extremely unlikely, a cell has to make something like 16 transformations before it becomes cancerous, and mustn't be destroyed or die during any of those stages. Just with millions of cells, and decades, that tiny probability multiplies up.

The testing for whether the cancer in your family is genetic or not is usually based on if two or more people in one side of your family has had the same type of cancer. That's extremely unlikely, and so a genetic link becomes a reasonable explanation. Something like 5% of cancers are genetic.
 
What you guys aren't taking into account is that the entire body is maleable. Just as it used to be accepted as fact that our brain structures are set in stone we now know that couldnt be further from the trith and you can restructure old neural pathways through conscious, repetitive training. There is also evidence that you can re appropriate your muscle fiber structures according to how you train. For example if you sprint, your muscles will slowly become more fast twitch fibers, conversely if you run marathons your muscles wil slowly become more slow twitch.

That same applies for your genetics. So those arguing about all of the different factors that contribute to cancer are correct... But the food you eat affects those factors as well. Thats the part you're failing to see. Your diet will change not only your chances of getting cancer but also your chances of passing those chances on to your progeny. Your diet can fight off free radicals and toxins due to environmental factors as well. It all comes back to food.

@nickycakes All bullshit aside, I really don't even care about winning the fucking argument with you.. This is topic I've been passionate about fit many years.... I do understand the points you were treeing to make, but I think it would be beneficial to you to just keep an open mind about what you actually can control just by using food as medicine.

Fuck, the inventor of modern medicine is quoted as saying "let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food" or some shit like that, writing this from an iPod so I don't feel like looking it up if somebody wants to do that.... The point is he knew what the jell he was talking about and we have strayed so far from that when it comes to how we think about medicine, treatment, and prevention and it's all to make a buck. Food should be your MAIN course prevention for almost all ailments.
 
What you guys aren't taking into account is that the entire body is maleable. Just as it used to be accepted as fact that our brain structures are set in stone we now know that couldnt be further from the trith and you can restructure old neural pathways through conscious, repetitive training. There is also evidence that you can re appropriate your muscle finer structures according to how you train. For example if you sprint, your muscles will slowly become more fat twitch fibers, conversely if you run marathons your muscles wil slowly become more slow twitch.

That same applies for your genetics. So those arguing about all of the different factors that contribute to cancer are correct... But the food you eat affects those factors as well. Thats the part you're failing to see. Your diet will change not only your chances of getting cancer but also your chances of passing those chances on to your progeny. Your diet can fight off free radicals and toxins due to environmental factors. It all comes back to food.

@nickycakes All bullshit aside, I really don't even care about winning the fucking argument with you.. This is topic I've been passionate about fit many years.... I do understand the points you were treeing to make, but I think it would be beneficial to you to just keep an open mind about what you actually can control just by using food as medicine.

Fuck, the inventor of modern medicine is quoted as saying "let food be thy medicine, and medicine be thy food" or some shit like that, writing this from an iPod so I don't feel like looking it up if somebody wants to do that.... The point is he knew what the jell he was talking about and we have strayed so far from that when it comes to how we think about medicine, treatment, and prevention and it's all to make a buck. Food should be your MAIN course prevention for almost all ailments.

Changing your diet can reduce the chance of developing cancer, but will not cure cancer which is already there.

Cancer is a mutation in genes which comes about through the things you talk about (free radicals, and so forth). Certain foods reduce the quantities of these in our bodies, and thus can be preventative measures.

People arguing that food will actually cure cancer though are wrong, there is no evidence what-so-ever that any form of dietary change will improve the outcome of your cancer. Most diets have been debunked entirely.

Alternative cancer treatments in general amongst those that refuse traditional treatments (chemo, radiotherapy, etc) also have a far higher mortality rate, and a much shorter life expectancy.

Common environmental factors that contribute to cancer death include tobacco (25-30%), diet and obesity (30-35%), infections (15-20%), radiation (both ionizing and non-ionizing, up to 10%), stress, lack of physical activity, and environmental pollutants.

So basically, by eating a healthy diet, you reduce your chance of having cancer by 30-35%. If you don't smoke, that's another 25-30%. You still have around half of the population risk of getting cancer, caused by many of the other things you are exposed to, like background radiation, which you can't do shit about.

Not to mention if you're in the 5-10% of people affected by genetic cancers, you're screwed too.

I'd expect cancer to not be a problem 20-30 years from now, with all the treatments that are being developed and on the edge of reality (Viruses to deliver genetic changes, nanorobots to kill cancer cells, delivery mechanisms for chemotherapy to specific cells, etc..).

If someone finds a cure for cancer, it'll sure as hell be bought if it is patentable. E.g. a company which doesn't make many chemo drugs, could cure cancer and take billions upon billions a year. For drugs not currently patentable, then ongoing research by charities and the like will be the primary driver.

Everyone loves a good conspiracy theory though, especially when they can come up with one which explains the deaths of their loved ones, whilst vituperating big business.
 
I respected your post up until the accusation of a conspiracy theory being touted. There is nothing conspiratorial about acknowledging the connection between big pharma and their efforts to suppress any info that could potentially put a dent in their quarterly earnings. If you can't see that, then I don't what to tell you. There are plenty of documentaries that cover this on depth.

Also, to be clear my interests on the subject have nothing to do with emotional attachments that would cloud judgement. It is simply an interest relating to my prior occupation.

I'm not sure what you mean when u say most diets have been debunked... I'm not even talking about a diet, rather just the way you eat. To me the term diet implies one of these fad diets that try to narrowly describe what one should eat. There is no one size fits all solution for how you should eat, but the vid I posted above is a good place to start. From there it should be adjusted for you lineage and goals. Everyone is different. Also, there was no scientific evidence that food would cure her of her disease yet, IT DID. Do you think that doctors have not seen that vid yet still go through the same protocols they always have when a patient walks in with her very same condition? Doctors do not have the freedom to actually practice medicine, only approved protocols. Food is obviously an effective treatment yet there is nobody in the medical community rushing to disperse this info to the masses. Hmmm wonder why? Healthy food isnt patentable, so I'm not sure why you would be confused as to why no one is trying.

Also, to try to put a percentage of 35% on how much a good diet could affect your chances of getting cancer is an exercise in futility. Which diet are you referring to with this percentage? How long was the diet adhered to? Who were the test subjects? How in the fuck was it measured at all? Was the diets effects on other contributing factors taken into consideration? This isn't a math equation, and it can't be calculated in such terminology. Not saying the data you referenced is useless just that you are misinterpreting it.

I'm surprised so many marketers are unable to see the forrest for the trees on this subject. There is an obvious motive (multiple actually) to not promote using food for preventative treatment, and to throw the term conspiracy theory on there is sign of weak argument. People always use that term as a sort of general classifying of people to discredit them. It's weak sauce.
 
This is a little off topic - but you know what's crazy?

In 1971 or so - 2 years before I was born - my grandfather got colon cancer. He went through chemotherapy and eventually died.

His daughter - my mom -was a nurse. So she knows her medical stuff quite well.

Imagine her surprise when in 2001 - 30 YEARS LATER - she got colon cancer and received the exact same chemotherapy drugs.

Fortunately my mom survived, with some life changing complications. And those drugs are still in use today.

In short - for colon cancer - the best treatment is over 40 years old. That's just crazy.
 
I respected your post up until the accusation of a conspiracy theory being touted. There is nothing conspiratorial about acknowledging the connection between big pharma and their efforts to suppress any info that could potentially put a dent in their quarterly earnings.
Wut.

By definition, that's a conspiracy theory.

con·spir·a·cynoun /kənˈspirəsē/ 
conspiracies, plural
A secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful.

This is a little off topic - but you know what's crazy?

In 1971 or so - 2 years before I was born - my grandfather got colon cancer. He went through chemotherapy and eventually died.

His daughter - my mom -was a nurse. So she knows her medical stuff quite well.

Imagine her surprise when in 2001 - 30 YEARS LATER - she got colon cancer and received the exact same chemotherapy drugs.

Fortunately my mom survived, with some life changing complications. And those drugs are still in use today.

In short - for colon cancer - the best treatment is over 40 years old. That's just crazy.
Shock, horror. The best way to brush your teeth is still using a toothbrush, an 1100 year old method! We should be using something more fancy and modern!
 
I respected your post up until the accusation of a conspiracy theory being touted. There is nothing conspiratorial about acknowledging the connection between big pharma and their efforts to suppress any info that could potentially put a dent in their quarterly earnings. If you can't see that, then I don't what to tell you. There are plenty of documentaries that cover this on depth.

Not denying that big pharma have their profit motives. Although if there was a cure for cancer that big pharma knew about, it would be out there.

Top executives, senior researchers and board members of the pharmaceutical industry have died of cancer. Faced with death, they would seek a cure, and would not have died. No one dies for the profits of some company.

Also, to be clear my interests on the subject have nothing to do with emotional attachments that would cloud judgement. It is simply an interest relating to my prior occupation.

I'm not saying yours necessarily was, it's just something lots of people are affected very deeply on a personal level by. These people go on to produce documentaries, make videos and everything else.

Cancer can be defeated by your body in some cases, but trying to tell people with terminal cancer that eating more greens could save their lives is just plain offensive. My grandmother is dying from cancer, she has the healthiest diet I know of. She's done the whole 5 fruit/veg thing a day for the last 6 years. She never drank. She never smoked. She has cancer.

If you think that eating well will protect you, then great - but you can get cancer whether you eat well or terribly. All that eating well will do is potentially reduce your chances.

I'm not sure what you mean when u say most diets have been debunked... I'm not even talking about a diet, rather just the way you eat. To me the term diet implies one of these fad diets that try to narrowly describe what one should eat. There is no one size fits all solution for how you should eat, but the vid I posted above is a good place to start. From there it should be adjusted for you lineage and goals. Everyone is different. Also, there was no scientific evidence that food would cure her of her disease yet, IT DID. Do you think that doctors have not seen that vid yet still go through the same protocols they always have when a patient walks in with her very same condition? Doctors do not have the freedom to actually practice medicine, only approved protocols. Food is obviously an effective treatment yet there is nobody in the medical community rushing to disperse this info to the masses. Hmmm wonder why? Healthy food isnt patentable, so I'm not sure why you would be confused as to why no one is trying.

When I say diets I mean lifestyle changes, not a fad diet. I mean the diet you consume on a day-to-day basis throughout your life. The papers come out every day and tell you what fruit/veg will stop you getting cancer. Millions is spent researching such things. Plenty of fruit/veg do reduce free radicals in your body and reduce the chance of you getting cancer, I completely agree.

A healthy diet does reduce your chances of getting cancer.

What I entirely disagree with is saying that changing someone's diet can cure what's already there.

Science has repeatedly proven that no diet change can affect the spread of cancer, beyond starving yourself (& hence the cancer cells) which will slow their growth, but lead to your death anyway.

Also, to try to put a percentage of 35% on how much a good diet could affect your chances of getting cancer is an exercise in futility. Which diet are you referring to with this percentage? How long was the diet adhered to? Who were the test subjects? How in the fuck was it measured at all? Was the diets effects on other contributing factors taken into consideration? This isn't a math equation, and it can't be calculated in such terminology. Not saying the data you referenced is useless just that you are misinterpreting it.

That's not what I meant, what I mean is that 35% of cancers causes are put down to bad diet/obesity. I.e. their root cause is someone spending their entire life eating like shit, or being obese.

I'm surprised so many marketers are unable to see the forrest for the trees on this subject. There is an obvious motive (multiple actually) to not promote using food for preventative treatment, and to throw the term conspiracy theory on there is sign of weak argument. People always use that term as a sort of general classifying of people to discredit them. It's weak sauce.

If there were legit treatments out there, there would be studies. There would be peer reviewed data showing it.

There are cancer charities out there with millions to spend. They are not involved in big pharma. If they thought there was a cancer cure, they would be investigating it. They would be doing the studies to show that eating some magic bean cures your cancer.

As far as I know, the Cancer Research director's haven't been murdered yet, either.


You can thank government intervention in the medical market from slowing down innovation to a crawl.

Completely agree. The whole shit about people who are terminally ill not being able to buy phase I trial drugs and stuff showing potential is plain wrong too. If you're going to be dead in a matter of weeks, and are willing to take the risks, you should be able to.
 
Too late to edit my earlier post, but this drives the point home:


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It would be nice if the US was at least taking these alternatives seriously, why would other countries/hospitals be so interested in testing and researching, if there was not some potential behind it. In no way would I suggest that a diet is the "cure all", but it is unfortunate how the process gets overlooked in the US.
IMO- there needs to be more proactive teaching from a young age about health and diet, but it is not taught in EL/HS school (unless you take a specific health related course) . I have worked with hundreds of youth/students in the last few years and it is amazing how so many of them know little or nothing at all about what they eat.

ex. Kids coming to school who ate Cheetos for breakfast.

Of course, nobody really wants the Government telling them what to do, eat, say etc...yet it would be nice to see them actually stepping up and really focusing on these concerns.

I read an article a couple days back(AARP) stating that seniors over 65+ will spend more than $200,000 in health care.
My conspiracy theory-- make them strong while they are young and drain them of there savings when they get old. Don't allow people ( on a large scale ) to gain authority and legitimate financial stability (from one generation to the next).

Some place to start at least.:

"Prof. Watayo has a special significance to the Gerson Therapy, as he is one of the two Japanese Professors of Medicine who are doing long-term scientific studies of the Gerson Therapy in Japan. The other is Prof. Yoshihiko Hoshino, M.D., who healed himself of colon cancer with liver metastases over 15 years ago using the Gerson Therapy, and has since compiled records on over 500 cases of advanced cancer treated by the Gerson method."

Q&A from another board:

"Yes and it helped for a time but his markers increased and we had to try chemo. Check out a book called Natural Strategies for Cancer Patients by Dr. Russell Blaylock. Amazing. My hubbys tumors have shrunk by 90% and his CEA markers have gone down from 589 to 10.1. Normal is under 5. I have heard from an oncology nurse that went into alternative therapy said cancer comes back after you stop. But I haven't heard of any cases yet. It's a lifetime change either way."
 
I read an article a couple days back(AARP) stating that seniors over 65+ will spend more than $200,000 in health care.
My conspiracy theory-- make them strong while they are young and drain them of their savings when they get old. Don't allow people ( on a large scale ) to gain authority and legitimate financial stability (from one generation to the next).

there to their; derp
 
Damn, I made it as simple as possible to show that you are contradficing yourself and that your logic sucks.

Comparing not eating Uranium to eating healthy food rather than not eating shit food is retarded. I can't believe you actually think you're right... or that there are other people in this thread who think you're right. I made it obvious as hell.

Jesus Christ could come down right now and tell me that you're not contradicting yourself and I would call him a tard.

**Not really. I love you Jebus.

You are both saying pretty much the exact same thing but phrasing it differently.
 
yeah, that is discussed in the documentary I posted.

watch it. You'll be shocked. It is in my list of " fuck you US government must watch docs" list

This is a little off topic - but you know what's crazy?

In 1971 or so - 2 years before I was born - my grandfather got colon cancer. He went through chemotherapy and eventually died.

His daughter - my mom -was a nurse. So she knows her medical stuff quite well.

Imagine her surprise when in 2001 - 30 YEARS LATER - she got colon cancer and received the exact same chemotherapy drugs.

Fortunately my mom survived, with some life changing complications. And those drugs are still in use today.

In short - for colon cancer - the best treatment is over 40 years old. That's just crazy.
 
ill tell u what.. watch the first 5 minutes and you'll be hooked.

cliff notes:

doctor in texas starts curing inoperable cancers with 25%+ success rate
and no side effects when modern medicine would get 1 to 2% at best with
devastating side effects.

Doctor is sued by the FDA, Texas and Fed... wins every case. He is sued 5 more times.
He wins each time. He has broken no laws.

After all this he discovers the FDA had been planning to steal his patents
on his treatment WHILE TRYING TO SUE HIM FOR USING THEM.
 
i have watched a few people die from cancer now. Most will grasp at anything offered to them as a cure once it is clear they are in big trouble.
The only bonafide cure i can see coming would be if all our governments stopped wasting money chasing oil fields, and spent the money on curing disease and getting us off this rock.
If they spent the money going to Mars, it would then be feasible to need to cure all disease to keep people healthy and working longer.

So far there is only money in treatment, not cures.

The world is all kind of fucked up. Hell when i was in the flip the other year, some girls there told me about their sister who died of malaria. Their family couldnt afford the $250 dollar treatment, so the hospitals let them die.