The Merchant/Advertiser Scrubbing and Shaving List

CygnusX said:
I can confirm that.
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I need a domain on the one you're confirming.
And I still need a domain for the Michael Jackson e-mail submit?

On a side note, when we get confirmation on an offer, I'm going to edit my original post to add them to it in list form, linking to the supporting messages. That way we can have some discourse here with a level of control
 


mkrongel said:
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On lead gen forms like debt people may scrub out for under $10K in debt, or if the zip doesnt match the area code, like if someone put they live in miami but put a 212 area code that lead would be suspicious and probably filtered out.
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The ones I've seen don't just scrub under 10k in debt. They take the leads under 10k and generally kick the lead out to a PPC feed. Sketchy sketchy sketchy.
 
My first post was removed - I guess for not being specific enough.

One of the biggest email submit advertisers out there is "The Useful" - a LOT of networks have their offers. The problem is that they scrub like you would not believe. I have seen a scrub as high as 25-30%. (They do not shave as far as I know)

For example, one of the Michael Jackson email submits ... it's The Useful:
NationalSurveyPanel

National Survey Panel is one of their domains.

Recently some aff networks have started removing/refusing The Useful offers.
 
tjewsky said:
My first post was removed - I guess for not being specific enough.

One of the biggest email submit advertisers out there is "The Useful" - a LOT of networks have their offers. The problem is that they scrub like you would not believe. I have seen a scrub as high as 25-30%. (They do not shave as far as I know)

For example, one of the Michael Jackson email submits ... it's The Useful:
NationalSurveyPanel

National Survey Panel is one of their domains.

Recently some aff networks have started removing/refusing The Useful offers.
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Alright now we're getting somewhere. Can I get some numbers before/after scrub?
If you don't want to post the numbers/a screenie publically, PM is fine.
 
xmcp123 said:
Alright now we're getting somewhere. Can I get some numbers before/after scrub?
If you don't want to post the numbers/a screenie publically, PM is fine.
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Wow I just tried this offer on facebook.

23 clicks - 5 conversions
then straight 83 clicks with 1 conversion.
Total 106 clicks 6 conversions .07 epc

I paused the campaign.

Edit: I know 100 clicks are nothing, just wanted to share.
 
tjewsky said:
My first post was removed - I guess for not being specific enough.

One of the biggest email submit advertisers out there is "The Useful" - a LOT of networks have their offers. The problem is that they scrub like you would not believe. I have seen a scrub as high as 25-30%. (They do not shave as far as I know)

For example, one of the Michael Jackson email submits ... it's The Useful:
NationalSurveyPanel

National Survey Panel is one of their domains.

Recently some aff networks have started removing/refusing The Useful offers.
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Its about goddamn time.. The Useless has been around for a long time and so have their shitty and shady offers. Networks bitch about them all the time, but then go ahead and run their stuff lol -- Which seems to happen all too often with all sorts of offers from loads of advertisers. But thread is lookin sweet so lets stay on topic.
 
Advertiser: Direct Shopping Savings
Direct $hopper $avings

Offer: iPhone 3GS Email Submit

7 Day Stats:
11539 Clicks
2372 Leads
20.5% Conversions solid daily for 7 days.

8th Day Stats:
736 Clicks
68 Leads
9.2% Conversions

Just for good measure sent 500 more clicks-
9th Day Stats:
540 Clicks
21 Leads
4% Conversions

:crying:

0 Changes to ad copy
CTR% stayed the exact same

Yea... it is just an email submit so this is expected...
But why not share the data and give others a heads up.
 
one thing to note. networks on the direct track platform share offers. we all know that. what many of us don't know is that when these offers are shared often time the parent network views the child network as one CD (or user). here is how it works. network a gets an offer from network b. network b views all traffic from network a as ONE. so if network a is sending crap traffic over time network b will scrub all of network a's traffic. in this scenario, the offer may run better on network b than network a. just something to think about before you blindly blow off an offer because it's scrubbing on one network. it may just work on another network.

with that said - let's out these fucking offers!

- lucas
 
dactylmedia said:
Advertiser: Direct Shopping Savings
Direct $hopper $avings

Offer: iPhone 3GS Email Submit

7 Day Stats:
11539 Clicks
2372 Leads
20.5% Conversions solid daily for 7 days.

8th Day Stats:
736 Clicks
68 Leads
9.2% Conversions

Just for good measure sent 500 more clicks-
9th Day Stats:
540 Clicks
21 Leads
4% Conversions

:crying:

0 Changes to ad copy
CTR% stayed the exact same

Yea... it is just an email submit so this is expected...
But why not share the data and give others a heads up.
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I edited my message on page 1 to include them. But they're added. I'm going to double check the guys name and whatnot though.
 
i have a site coming out in the coming weeks. it's a internet marketing news portal and i've just started working on a module to better organize and monitor offers based on the thread. to the op - hit me up if you'd like to help me out with the specs. we already have a few modules in place that monitor network up/down time and a few other things i won't disclose just yet.

- lucas
 
Thanks very much for this thread. I just got shaved for the first time ... to the tune of more than 60% of my leads. Only one network though. All others paying out just fine. Ugh.
 
Fandango email submit: 200 qualified clicks, no sales. Test email submission from two different computers/ips: no sales.

Michael Jackson email submits: 5k qualified clicks, 2% conversion shown by networks. Rotating links on different networks, identical results. Split tested with internal copy of landing page: my version received 8% submissions (tested on 1k clicks).
 
Zwinky's toolbar offer - You probably saw my thread about it.

The advertiser will not pay for installs if the browser is firefox. WHAT THE F ?

I have 3000 clicks to prove this. Not a single firefox click converted, while hundreds of IE clicks converted.

You could say that I have a relatively small volume, but someone who's doing super huge volume on this offer can definitely verify this.

I mean WTF, they install accept firefox traffic & let user install toolbar in firefox but won't pay me for it.

And as most you people know, firefox traffic accounts for a big chunk of the overall traffic.
 
mailinatorm2 said:
I mean WTF, they accept firefox traffic & let user install toolbar in firefox but won't pay me for it.
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On the network I am looking at it tells me straight up that it does not accept Firefox traffic. If they are installing it for Firefox anyway but paying you for it then just set it up so that Firefox users are directed to a different offer and only IE users go to the Zwinky offer. I would rather them just not pay for Firefox converts and count all IE installs, that way if you know what you are doing and direct Firefox users to a different offer you will make the most of your traffic by directing all Firefox traffic to another offer and they will easily collect more from people who don't know how to set up a Firefox filter.
 
pzero said:
Fandango email submit: 200 qualified clicks, no sales. Test email submission from two different computers/ips: no sales.

Michael Jackson email submits: 5k qualified clicks, 2% conversion shown by networks. Rotating links on different networks, identical results. Split tested with internal copy of landing page: my version received 8% submissions (tested on 1k clicks).
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Same results for the most part.

Incent version converted at 17% for 6 hours, then down to 2%.
Nonincent converted at 1% only. Only ran 1000 click to it before saying fuck it.
 
Can someone please "define" what scrubbing and shaving is? Please don't flame the newbie... just trying to learn the terms.
 
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