This is scary

UnripeArbiter said:
Ultimately, what are you trying to argue? That I should shut up?
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erect said:
My point, atheistic extremism is still dangerous whether you see it fits or not. People are evil & eugenics made the "kill your son" analogy very wide scale.
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Everyone's shit stinks, even yours.

What we are addressing is scale. A larger % of Muslims are extremists and know no geographical boundaries. Atheists extremists slaughter millions. Christians have a few bad apples recently but have not done serious damage in centuries ... and even then it was a civil war of sorts.

Which community would you rather be a member of?

You ramble too damn much. If you're going to make a point, make it concise without having to add 1000 words of fluff to each argument. It doesn't help your cause.
 


UnripeArbiter said:
I care because the hypocrisy is too great for me to bear.
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Why are you preaching here when the vast majority only care about making monies and getting laid?

Not sure what your trying to prove in all your long ass posts - but if you take them to a Christian forum maybe you'll be able to cream your pants more often.
 
hellblazer said:
Please cite the verses in the New Testament justifying murder in the name of Christianity. You can have as much time as you'd like, which will most likely be a while. Thanks and have a great day, bigot!
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Ok but please remember YOU ASKED FOR IT but I'm sure like any good christian you will find some way to justify the murder and violence of that evil text you call the word of god. Oh and if I'm a "bigot" for opposing violence, misogyny, incest and murder...then so be it.

Matthew:
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

"Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Mark:

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

Acts:

Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23

Romans:
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

1 Corinthians

Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8

...there's much more but wf has a character limit and, really, everyone knows how violent this text is.
 
erect said:
Everyone's shit stinks, even yours.
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K.

erect said:
What we are addressing is scale. A larger % of Muslims are extremists and know no geographical boundaries. Atheists extremists slaughter millions. Christians have a few bad apples recently but have not done serious damage in centuries ... and even then it was a civil war of sorts.
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The only point I care to make is that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. The majority of Christians are peaceful and the majority of atheists are peaceful. Can't point to any one and say that it is inherently dangerous.

Which community would you rather be a member of?


erect said:
You ramble too damn much. If you're going to make a point, make it concise without having to add 1000 words of fluff to each argument. It doesn't help your cause.
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K.
 
HOLY SHIT I THROW UP AN EMBED FAIL AND IGNITE A MASSIVE TIME SINK

RETARDED!

Close thread get back to work,,


errr, or shine some Boobies.
 
rawbones said:
RETARDED!
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^ are the people that don't understand my last post. You see it clearly, they don't. They're retarded.

errr, or shine some Boobies.[/QUOTE]

Boobies?

How about some ass, pussy, and tits.

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LogicFlux said:
If you're playing devil's advocate, that's fine. I do that a lot myself.
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That's all I'm doing.

I'm (one of the only) devils in here sticking up for the Muslims, how so greatly ironic.

We must have zero Muslims here or they would have weighed in. At least there's a few voices of reason to stand up in their absence.
 
UnripeArbiter said:
I'm (one of the only) devils in here sticking up for the Muslims, how so greatly ironic.
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And you have been proven wrong by MANY members here.

erect said:
What we are addressing is scale. A larger % of Muslims are extremists and know no geographical boundaries. Atheists extremists slaughter millions. Christians have a few bad apples recently but have not done serious damage in centuries ... and even then it was a civil war of sorts.

Which community would you rather be a member of?

You ramble too damn much. If you're going to make a point, make it concise without having to add 1000 words of fluff to each argument. It doesn't help your cause.
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QFT.

The quote right above sums up perfectly why you are wrong.

Others point to Islam and say it is violent. I say this is not the case. This is exactly what an atheist can do best... stand in the middle.
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Yes, and you have been proven wrong MULTIPLE times. It has been brought up time and time again in this thread that modern Islam specifically preaches forced conversions and death to those who refuse. It has also been brought up that atheism has lead to more killing than Christianity. Your only arguing point is the Crusades, which more than once have been mentioned that it was a war, a war WITH MUSLIMS.

This is NOT about my personal stance and beliefs on religion, although you seem to think that is the case with everyone arguing against you. This is about facts.
 
@UnripeArbiter

All you do is degrade those who don't agree with your "logic".

BTW, I'm pretty sure any retard can quote something. But clearly you fail at that also.

...Boobs did slightly save the thread from being a complete waste of time though.
 
turbolapp said:
Ok but please remember YOU ASKED FOR IT but I'm sure like any good christian you will find some way to justify the murder and violence of that evil text you call the word of god. Oh and if I'm a "bigot" for opposing violence, misogyny, incest and murder...then so be it.
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I'm not taking the side of hellblazer because he is a bit of a belligerent arguer. And my point isn't directly tied in with your response to him.

But I just feel the need to comment on your post as a whole.

I'm not a Bible scholar nor a scholar of the lifestyle back in Biblical times, so I can't speak about any certain facts relating to violent verses such as that, back then. But modern Christianity (as a whole - there are always extremists) has generally I think taken the message in a much more interpretable manner. It would be extremely rare for you to find a church that preached those verses in literal terms (ie encouraging murder and death).

So while those might be accurate references, Christianity today teaches none of those things.

I will also step aside for a second and speak on a personal note and not on facts. I don't go to church often any more just because I lack the attention span to listen to a older priest teach basically the same lesson every week. But I have gone to church hundreds of times over the course of my life, probably at 10 to 15 different churches total. Every single time, the message is about loving other people, giving back, and becoming a better person through kindness. The church congregations I've been a part of have been some of the nicest people you'd ever meet.

Which is NOT to say you can't have Muslim congregations of great people and are taught great lessons (because I have a feeling Arbiter would love to play "devil's advocate" to my above statement). BUT, we have all agreed on the fact that modern Islam specifically preaches forced conversions and death.

I just didn't agree with the idea of your post that was summed in your sentence "I'm a "bigot" for opposing violence, misogyny, incest and murder...then so be it." I would agree with opposing taking those verses literally, but I wouldn't call today's Christianity violent and full of incest and murder. Yes, there are bad apples, but that doesn't mean the entire tree is rotten.
 
turbolapp said:
Ok but please remember YOU ASKED FOR IT but I'm sure like any good christian you will find some way to justify the murder and violence of that evil text you call the word of god. Oh and if I'm a "bigot" for opposing violence, misogyny, incest and murder...then so be it.

Matthew:
Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

"Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

Mark:

Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

Acts:

Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23

Romans:
Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

1 Corinthians

Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8

...there's much more but wf has a character limit and, really, everyone knows how violent this text is.
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I believe you may be misinterpreting some of these to be commands to be carried out by followers of Christianity when in reality, they're declarations of what God plans on doing himself with those referenced above.

God instructed "Vengeance is mine" in Romans 12:19
Scripture Index for Romans 12:19

This whole reference is pointless if read by an atheist who believes these words can only possibly be written by man and man alone. After all, you don't even believe God inspired these writings so obviously you would interpret these writings as man commanding man to exact violence against others.
 
LotsOfZeros said:
I believe you may be misinterpreting some of these to be commands to be carried out by followers of Christianity when in reality, they're declarations of what God plans on doing himself with those referenced above.

God instructed "Vengeance is mine" in Romans 12:19
Scripture Index for Romans 12:19

This whole reference is pointless if read by an atheist who believes these words can only possibly be written by man and man alone. After all, you don't even believe God inspired these writings so obviously you would interpret these writings as man commanding man to exact violence against others.
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I'm lost in the logic of how this is ok? You acknowledge that if a man did this to another man it would be horrific and punishable (execution, yes?) but this supposed magnificent oh so much better being than us, can throw temper tantrums that rival my 1 year olds, entire cities of people are (or will be ) slaughtered but you worship this alleged creature?
 
turbolapp said:
I'm lost in the logic of how this is ok? You acknowledge that if a man did this to another man it would be horrific and punishable (execution, yes?) but this supposed magnificent oh so much better being than us, can throw temper tantrums that rival my 1 year olds, entire cities of people are (or will be ) slaughtered but you worship this alleged creature?
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He giveth, so he can taketh.
I don't like it either but that's the golden rule (according to the written word).

edit: I am lost in the logic where you somehow qualify me as worshiping "this alleged creature". I was merely showing you where you may have misinterpreted the intended meaning of the quoted passages.
 
UnripeArbiter said:
Let me make this clear to you...... 87-90% of the Muslim population does not believe in jihad.

They me make this super clear... 87-90% of the Muslim faith does not believe in "the holy war waged by Muslims against the infidels". The whole thing we over here in America call "The War on Terror".
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Both sides have their extremism. Christian terror exists too.

You can't stand on your pedestal any longer and point to Muslims as a violent group and inferior.

Please... step down from the pedestal.
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What statistics can you pull that will say 10-13% of Christians believe in war and violence against non-believers?

You just lost the argument for yourself in that statement. If you are referring to a "pedestal" as being "less violent", then Christianity would be on a pedestal over Islam. According to you, not me. Nobody here ever mentioned a pedestal existing but yourself.
 
You guys lost me with "extremist Atheism" WTF?

Atheism is not a political belief, it is a DISbelief. Hard to take that to extremes.

Atheist: I don't believe in any God.
Extreme (again, WTF?) Atheist: I err...extremely... do not believe in any God... seriously!

::emp::
 
emp said:
You guys lost me with "extremist Atheism" WTF?

Atheism is not a political belief, it is a DISbelief. Hard to take that to extremes.

Atheist: I don't believe in any God.
Extreme (again, WTF?) Atheist: I err...extremely... do not believe in any God... seriously!

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I would think that many real athiest would stay away from religeous debates. I mean it would be like debating the Easter Bunny with a 5 year old..no?
 
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