To Anybody That Thinks 9/11 was a Conspiracy

Pilots for 9/11 truth have put together some good documentaries (albeit more technical) about actuall flight data retrieved through the freedom of information act:

Radar screens and calls from 9/11:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6WSDxErgBE]9/11: INTERCEPTED - Full Film - YouTube[/ame]

Analysis of flight data for the twin towers attack:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUbVbmpblFk]1/5 Pilots for 9-11 Truth - World Trade Center Attack - YouTube[/ame]

Analysis of flight data for the pentagon attack:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcXPbKkf5h8]Deconstructing the Pentagon Attack -- Pilots for 9/11 Truth - YouTube[/ame]

Analysis of flight data for flight 93 (Shanksville PA):

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l8M_Aa7N1o]9/11 Attack-The Flight Of United 93 (FULL) - YouTube[/ame]

Interesting watches.
 


Also a good video by Architects for 9/11 truth:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b74naeawdCs&feature=BFa&list=PL621A4B03C1169C78&lf=player_embedded]9/11: Blueprint For Truth (part 1 of 13) - AE911Truth.org 9/11 Documentary - YouTube[/ame]
 
There are some folks willing to hire others to kill if it means they'll receive money, power, etc. A few may actually put on suits and ties (blouses?), and run for office.

Hoppe has said:

In sharp contrast, the selection of government rulers by means of popular elections makes it essentially impossible for a harmless or decent person to ever rise to the top. Presidents and prime ministers come into their position as a result of their efficiency as morally uninhibited demagogues. Hence, democracy virtually assures that only dangerous men will rise to the top of government.

That sounds about right.

And folks, Yucky's gonna get the last word. I can almost guarantee it. lol
 
You know we're well and truly fucked when we start to seriously explore Canadas tar sands, because there's only ever one logical reason why you'd ever go after the tar sands...
 
So let me get this straight. Some of you guys believe 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government so that a couple of military contractors could profit?

When Hitler wanted a war with Poland he faked an attack on a remote radio station on the Eastern frontier.

When the US wanted a war with Iraq in 2001 we physically destroyed Wall Street, killed 3000 of our own citizens and flew a jet plane into the Pentagon for good measure.

(Also: Hey, let's destroy the Twin Towers with hijacked airliners as a neat smokescreen so no one will notice us demolishing Building #7 with structural bombs)

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Conspiracy is perennial food for the stupid.
 
Evidence (as posted earlier and ignored):
9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 1

Says the guy who:
1. Started this thread
2. Insulted people with differing opinions from yours in the opening post.
3. Received multiple responses/arguments from the people you insulted.
4. Casually IGNORED those responses/arguments.
5. Calmly waited for the missle argument with other forum thread link handy.
6. Complain when you are ignored.
7. ???
8. Profit.
 
This group was broadcasting on NY radio station 98.5 for the past few days interviewing different people and trying to raise money for their cause.

It was pretty interesting to listen to and they kept playing clips from "Loose Change" and some other new documentary.

They do use some clips from Loose Change in their documentary, easier than making their own graphics I assume. However plenty of other content there.

I think if people actually took the time to watch a few good documentaries it would open your mind. It's been a long time since the towers fell and a good primer of what actually happened on the day is a good way to shock the system. Even if you don't belive that the government would do such a thing (who else would have the resources to pull it off?) there are plenty of questions to take away from it all.
 
The whole point of showing what the total cost of everything related to 9/11 is to show how retarded it is to think it was some retarded conspiracy. We've gained nothing.

Did you miss my post? 9/11 has made it easier for PNAC to further advance their publicly stated goals. Again, they blatantly stated that a "new Pearl Harbor" would benefit them in terms of advancing their agenda. Worrying about running up the national debt or the unemployment rate was not part of that agenda.

We're not even pumping their oil which is even more retarded.

Western producers like BP, Exxon Mobil, and Shell are enjoying their best access to Iraq's southern oil fields since 1972... Western producers haven't had access to oil fields in southern Iraq since 1972, when the country nationalized production

Iraq Opens Up to Foreign Oil Majors - BusinessWeek
 
They do use some clips from Loose Change in their documentary, easier than making their own graphics I assume. However plenty of other content there.

I think if people actually took the time to watch a few good documentaries it would open your mind. It's been a long time since the towers fell and a good primer of what actually happened on the day is a good way to shock the system. Even if you don't belive that the government would do such a thing (who else would have the resources to pull it off?) there are plenty of questions to take away from it all.


good stuff in there rage, I'm viewing some of it now.
 
3. Received multiple responses/arguments from the people you insulted.

Um people posted Loose Change and other conspiracy bullshit that I've seen before (and used to be really open minded to). And to be honest I only checked the thread twice I think before I decided to respond to something.

4. Casually IGNORED those responses/arguments.

wtf do you want me to say about Northwoods? I've already said that conspiracies CAN happen.

5. Calmly waited for the missle argument with other forum thread link handy.

Links are the only evidence anybody has posted here anyway. And earlier I told anybody to google "Screw Loose Change". That video refutes all the arguments put forth so far.

Do you have anything to say of the Pentagon evidence I referenced? I could care less about your opinions or speculation, what I'd like is evidence.

6. Complain when you are ignored.

Complain?


That must be your thoughts as you read over the concrete evidence I've posted. Trust me, I've read ALL of the conspiracy nonsense on 9/11. Watch Screw Loose Change and read that link and look at the actual evidence. Don't rely on speculation and assumption.
 
google "Screw Loose Change". That video refutes all the arguments put forth so far.

There's so many unanswered questions that it's ridiculous to suggest that anything out there definitively proves or disproves anything.


I haven't watched this yet, but I'll throw part 1 of this in here :

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c87YggkBsOY]Debunking Screw Loose Change: The Movie 1/7 - YouTube[/ame]
 
How many of those planes were full of enough jet fuel for a non-stoop flight to LA and flown into a building as structural strong as the pentagon? That's like asking why a car driven off a cliff doesn't look the same as a car that crashes at 45mph.

I intentionally found plane crashes that happen just after take off, full of fuel. Also 2 of the crashes were flown into mountains. Which I will assume were a bigger hunk of rock than the pentagon. The loose change guy had more time to find plane crash photos.

Evidence (as posted earlier and ignored):
9/11: A Boeing 757 Struck the Pentagon, page 1

This evidence is just stupid.
your-own-evidence.jpg


^ Dose that look like debris from a plane crash? Thats the guys proof? One bit of engine, a piston looking thing, a single wheel, and some small piles of crap.

Look up historical photos of plane crashes. I have never seen a plane crash that did not at least have bits of the tail or wings somewhere. There is no way that the plane
1) Didn't fuck up the grass in a long as line as it skid into the building. (The pentagon hole is ground level)
2) Crunched is self so compact that all parts went into that hole and then melted to nothing.
3) That the other engine and the other 11 wheel rims melted when the one survived.
4) That the tail section crunched into the same hole, blew up, and melted so there was not a single trace of it sticking out of the building.

For christmas my dad bought be some 9/11 debunking book by popular mechanics, it said the same shit that site does. Clearly there is no debris because it all burned up.

Also i loved this

"Here is the hole in the building - it's been reported by at least a dozen different sources (including conspiracy theory sites) to be a 16 to 20 foot hole. That is really interesting when you take into account the fact that the 757 body is 12 ft 4in wide and 13 ft 6in high. (Here is where I was mistaken in the past, like so very many others I was led astray by the HEIGHT of the aircraft, which is actually the measurement from the wheels-down to the tip of the tail. That measurement is for aircraft hangar clearance, not the SIZE of the aircraft.) The 757 is basically a cylinder that is 13 feet across. It then should not be surprising that it would create something around a thirteen foot hole in the side of the building."

He claims it was a plane because it left a 13ft hole in the wall. Since he said that is the same size as the body of 757 (body only). But that means that the engines and the wings which make the plane 124ft (he gives this number) wide did no damage to the building, also folded up and went into that damn hole, or them selves exploded and melted to leave no evidence.

If the government ever wanted to put this bullshit to rest they could just show the god damn video footage from the many many cameras that saw it. Its been 10yrs, Osama is dead, why will the public never be allowed to see that footage. I don't see how hiding the footage of what really happened protecting national security, when they had no problem showing planes fly into the WTC.
 
1) What would be the fucking point of this master conspiracy? It would have failed on so many levels. Trillions of dollars in debt? Rampant militarism? How the fuck does this help the USG?

It doesn't. But 'the USG' didn't conspire 9/11. A confluence of military industrial bosses, bankers, politicans, and intel agents conspired 9/11. And they certainly weren't all Americans. And they certainly don't act out of the interests of American wellfare and prosperity. Quite the opposite.

2) Where are the flight 77 passengers?
Why? What practical purpose to the possibility of a state sponsored attack does the answer to this question serve?

3)Downplay the terrorists, make the US seem like the force of Allah himself.
The proper argument is that the alleged terrorists were of insufficient means to penetrate a highly developed and highly sophisticated air defense system. Not that they were 'mere' or 'from the middle east', or even to downplay them, but rather to describe their relative capabilities realistically.
mere Muslims in the Middle East...dick-sucking money-printing security system"
Tricks of persuasion perhaps?

Conspiracies CAN happen. This isn't one of them.
It's one thing to say that. It's another to study conspiracies, particularly false flag state sponsored conspiracies, understand how they work, and be able to identify similarities and patterns across multiple examples. You're an internet marketer, you understand the importance of patterns and trends.

Drills mimicking the actual events, used to bootleg the attack through the military structures. Physical impossibilities required to explain observed phenomena. Inconsistencies among the testimonies and statements of perpetrators and defenders of the official story. Whitewash commissions and reports deflecting honest inquiries. These are the stock in trade for events like this.

Now I have some questions for you and anyone else ready to believe the official story. If you do then you can readily answer these questions.

Why was FEMA set up in NYC and fully equipped to deal with a large scale urban catastrophe September 10?

How did pilots who could not competently pilot tiny hobby planes execute skilled and at times practically impossible maneuvers with large commercial airliners?

Why were FBI agents living with supposed hijackers?

Why were intelligence and law enforcement officers repeatedly blocked from investigating or arresting supposed hijackers for years?

How did a passport of an alleged hijacker make it out of the fireball, fall to the ash and paper strewn ground, and get recovered in near pristine condition to be used as evidence?

Why were no reconstructive investigations conducted?

How did fire burn so hot that it incinerated the entire contents of a large airliner, except for random plane pieces strewn around which do not match the plane model in question?

Why was SF Mayor Willie Brown told not to fly to NY days prior?

Why did Rumsfeld say flight 93 was shot down?

Why did Rumsfeld say that a missile hit the Pentagon?

How did a passenger airplane flown by amateur pilots penetrate a highly sophisticated air defense system and strike the nerve center of the most powerful military force on the planet?

How were cell phone calls placed from altitudes too high for in flight calls to be placed at the time?

How did a commercial airliner, essentially a flying tin can, punch neatly circular holes through three concentric rings of the Pentagon, each of which was made of multiple feet of steel reinforced concrete?

How the fuck did a forty seven story building that was not hit by a plane and had next to no damage done to it fall neatly into its own footprint at close to freefall speed?

Why did the billionaire landlord of the buildings say on public television that they decided to 'pull' building seven, and then watch the building collapse?

Why did news stations announce that building seven had fallen minutes before it had actually fallen?

How did planes burning isolated pockets of low-heat jet fuel fires dozens of floors up inside a building weaken certified high-level heat resistant steel columns multiple feet thick to the point of systemic failure, all at the same time, throughout the entire building, in a uniform fashion, including in places hundreds of feet removed from the impact points, far removed from any fires, and cut these heat resistant steel columns throughout the entire building into neat pieces that fit on 18 wheeler trucks, with ends that looked like they had been sheered clean like a hot knife through butter? How exactly did jet fuel accomplish that?

Why were no investigative agencies allowed into ground zero, but a company that just happens to be called Controlled Demolition was?

Why were there military drills being run on the day of 9/11 which mirrored the actual events that took place, including planes crashing into buildings?

Why was 9/11 never listed on the FBI's web site as one of bin laden's crimes?

Why has NIST needed to change their story like twenty times now to try to scientifically explain what happened in the framework of the official story?

and on and on and on and on and on