What would you do if shit like SOPA passed?

[avatar33]

This is just impossible. This can't happen. We'd all move to the fucking Bahamas, Venezuela or China and keep hustling.

Seriously though, I stopped being scared the moment I saw Google, Yahoo, Twitter, LinkedIn, Reddit, etc... were opposing the bill. Sit back and chill out bros, we've got solid backup.

 

[Fatbat]

You make it sound like meh, it ain't so bad - only the crooks will get caught...

Well "a site distributing copywritten works" is basically every forum you ever visited on the internet. Every user generated site, meme site, tube site, wallpaper or image site, etc. etc.

Take WickedFire for example. I could if I wanted find 1000 copyright infringement cases in one day, present it to congress bundled with some list of other offenders.(there's plenty of torrent site precedents for exactly this) WickedFire would cease to exist because it wouldn't be worth the effort to remove every claim against it, the time and effort could be made too great. Even if Jon & mods went through all that trouble, they'd probably be on some 'offenders' list where if they infringe again for more than X hours they can be permanently shut down.

HUGE/Small staffed websites that can't keep up with removal requests, no matter how mundane, could be shut down. Do you think reddit could keep up with removing copyright material when they had 2 billion page views in a month?

Also, anyone talking about TOR like it's some holy savior... try and keep your post count in line with what you actually know.

It wasn't "meh", it's obviously a serious issue, but the question was "what would you do if it passed?" and if it passes the options are to throw in the towel, fold up shop and go become a (insert shit job here) or pull up your socks and keep on trucking.

 

[lukep]

TOR isn't unstoppable, far from it you stupid fucks.

That depends on what you are trying to do with it, you unintelligent copulation.

No one can "take tor down" of course, it's always going to exist and grows every day.... Just like the internet. Perhaps a worldwide EMP field could do the trick but we'd have bigger problems if that came to pass.

So since it's there, and since it's a strong deterrent for anyone to try to track you through, (even if you're uncle sam) then naturally, you have to cherrypick who you're going after.

Think they're going to find you through the TOR network among 1 Billion other people when you've just downloaded a Justin Beiber song or watched theYoungTurks?

No, that's insane. They don't have the time, and that's why I called TOR unstoppable... There is protection in numbers.

Unless you're running a site distributing copywritten works or typosquatting trademarked domains how would SOPA impact your legitimate businesses?

Oh please. Like they'll only use SOPA for that... Once SOPA is installed they'll use the net for ALL KINDS of heinous privacy violations we won't even discuss here.

Well "a site distributing copywritten works" is basically every forum you ever visited on the internet. Every user generated site, meme site, tube site, wallpaper or image site, etc. etc.

Don't forget about teh search engines. Those tend to lead you to 'illegal content' more often than not.

A world without google is no longer ACCEPTABLE to the human race. I'm dead serious bros, I believe if Google and possibly even facebook went under today the consequences would never be the same... We're talking pitchforks, eggs on the whitehouse walls, all of it.

I stopped being scared the moment I saw Google, Yahoo, Twitter, LinkedIn, Reddit, etc... were opposing the bill. Sit back and chill out bros, we've got solid backup.

^That.

What people forget is different this time is the long list of heavy hitters on the anti-sopa list. Usually the ONLY list you hear about for a bad bill is PRO that bad bill... This time there is money on both sides, and that makes all the difference.

 

[mrmeotz]

This is just impossible. This can't happen. We'd all move to the fucking Bahamas, Venezuela or China and keep hustling.

Seriously though, I stopped being scared the moment I saw Google, Yahoo, Twitter, LinkedIn, Reddit, etc... were opposing the bill. Sit back and chill out bros, we've got solid backup.

This.

SOPA will never pass, if big communities like that oppose. Same shit, different day.

 

[pixelo]

Unless you're running a site distributing copywritten works or typosquatting trademarked domains how would SOPA impact your legitimate businesses?

Companies will still have affiliate programs. The internet will keep on ticking along.

Ever consider that a system that removes sites from the internat at the whim of a commercial lobbying body without any judicial process might be open to flaws?

People aren't anti-copyright or intellectual property, this legislation is just draconian and undermines the very principles of the internet as we know it. It's the Chines/Iranian methodology of controlling problems on the internet, not the democratic Western way which would be to institute some sort of proper judicial or impartial way of helping curb the "problem" of piracy.

 

[zimok]

That depends on what you are trying to do with it, you unintelligent copulation.

No one can "take tor down" of course, it's always going to exist and grows every day.... Just like the internet. Perhaps a worldwide EMP field could do the trick but we'd have bigger problems if that came to pass.

So since it's there, and since it's a strong deterrent for anyone to try to track you through, (even if you're uncle sam) then naturally, you have to cherrypick who you're going after.

Tor end nodes are weak. (unencrypted)

If you operate a Tor node it puts you at risk of what others are doing. (negative incentive)

It would be simple for someone with the budget and resources of the government to implement a system(statistical analysis and monitoring of backbones(split fiber cables so we wouldn't even know)) to identify all Tor users within the US and prosecute them.

Tor has its purposes, but you seem to be misdirecting some undeserved confidence in it. It's far from a solution in its current implementation.

 

[lukep]

It would be simple for someone with the budget and resources of the government to implement a system(statistical analysis and monitoring of backbones(split fiber cables so we wouldn't even know)) to identify all Tor users within the US and prosecute them.

Are you suggesting that all TOR users are within the boundaries of the USA and such an audit could pinpoint the correct activity to each tor user?

If not, then I don't see your argument. TOR is worldwide, probably more based in China than it is here. Therefore the US government has no interest in most TOR users as well as no authority to track/prosecute them.

Meanwhile, if you can't say "Bob Smith was this TOR user and he was on TOR that day to download a copy of the Smurfs illegally" then I really don't know why we're discussing this. TOR is VERY useful for the given purpose above... Some would say "unstoppable" for that purpose.

 

[WingAndAPrayer]

TOR isn't unstoppable, far from it you stupid fucks.

I enjoyed the way your post was both enlightened and yet so humble.

My fave part was the explanation of your views, took a while to read but you're clearly a wise and knowledgeable man and the people you're replying to have surely been intellectually check-mated.

I look forward to more pearls like these in future!

To the OP's question - I'd sling crack rock while working on my wicked jumpshot

 

[Fatbat]

Ever consider that a system that removes sites from the internat at the whim of a commercial lobbying body without any judicial process might be open to flaws?

People aren't anti-copyright or intellectual property, this legislation is just draconian and undermines the very principles of the internet as we know it. It's the Chines/Iranian methodology of controlling problems on the internet, not the democratic Western way which would be to institute some sort of proper judicial or impartial way of helping curb the "problem" of piracy.

Once again, the question wasn't about the potential evils of the legislation, it was "what would you do if shit like SOPA passed?", which you have failed to answer.

My answer is "nothing" since there's nothing I can do about it anyway. Business will continue as usual.

 

[ShadowCaster]

 

[Fatbat]

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Damn, I thought he was going to fap for sure.

 

[zimok]

Are you suggesting that all TOR users are within the boundaries of the USA

No.

And such an audit could pinpoint the correct activity to each tor user?

Yes.

If not, then I don't see your argument. TOR is worldwide, probably more based in China than it is here. Therefore the US government has no interest in most TOR users as well as no authority to track/prosecute them.

Meanwhile, if you can't say "Bob Smith was this TOR user and he was on TOR that day to download a copy of the Smurfs illegally" then I really don't know why we're discussing this. TOR is VERY useful for the given purpose above... Some would say "unstoppable" for that purpose.

Irrelevant.

 

[minsco]

I for one would be moving out of this country, somewhere in South America.

 

[poisonsembrace]

Are you suggesting that all TOR users are within the boundaries of the USA and such an audit could pinpoint the correct activity to each tor user?

If not, then I don't see your argument. TOR is worldwide, probably more based in China than it is here. Therefore the US government has no interest in most TOR users as well as no authority to track/prosecute them.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to watching Hackers while connected to TOR and pinging fbi.gov

 

[Kstanki2]

The more people that use tor in a given area, the harder they are to pinpoint. Exit nodes are insecure, but the owners of them aren't held accountable for the activity on them (legally speaking, you may still get some nasty letters and phone calls) and it would be extremely difficult to track individual users as long as people stayed smart about it. It's not farfetched to think that the deep web will be a hotbed of revolutionary activity if shit goes down. Unstoppable? Not exactly, but anyone who knows how it works won't get caught if they're careful.

They can't even shut down the s1lk r0ad, they aren't omnipotent when it comes to technology- far from it.

 

[Fatbat]

I for one would be moving out of this country, somewhere in South America.

All you guys saying that you're leaving the country... the whole point of this bill is to shut down "illegal activity" outside the US. Moving isn't going to help you. They'll still take your domains away from you.

 

[minsco]

All you guys saying that you're leaving the country... the whole point of this bill is to shut down "illegal activity" outside the US. Moving isn't going to help you. They'll still take your domains away from you.

I'm not saying that because I feel like I will still be able to market to the US, I'm saying that because if shit like this passes I don't want to live in this country anymore. You know slippery slope, I like liberty etc...

 

[pickledegg]

I don't care about SOPA to be honest, in fact bring it on, I can live without the fucking internet.

 

[Ready5]

SOPA will pass. The criminals tyrants who hijacked the US government don't even pretend to listen to the people anymore.

 

[lukep]

Irrelevant.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Go back to watching Hackers while connected to TOR and pinging fbi.gov

LOL!

Alright, I seem to have gotten on a couple of L337 peeple's nerves using the word "Unstoppable." I will formally retract it then and rephrase.

The TOR network will grow much larger, and a site like the silk road will become a thousand silken roads. Perhaps a million.

Yes, the big bad guv can find you in TOR when they really don't like what you're doing online, but it takes them time and resources. But TOR by it's very nature cannot be controlled in the same way your ISP can control your browsing. I can see no reason why the wild, wild west version of the Web we know and love, including sites like this one, will Ever die since we have TOR.