Who Else is Getting REAL Tired of the US Gov't?

BigWill said:
You ALWAYS have a choice. You can do whatever you want, be whatever you want. They simply choose not to be something great, not to be a better person, or even a decent person. Its THEIR fault and nobody else's. They DO suck at life. Its their fault they did not acquire any extra skills/knowledge than the bare minimum to get by, its not anyone else's.
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If I took away your money, your memory, and everything else you had going for you and put you in a position where you then had arrogant people like yourself saying you suck at life. You would immediately pull yourself together from nothing and start doing something to become independent, without even knowing where to start after a life of ignorance?

Right...
 


If people want something different then they can't keep electing the same type of people every single time. We also need term limits so people can't stay in office for 40 years and entrench themselves with major corporations and lobbying groups who they have to keep doing favors for.

The cash for clunkers was pointless as Obama, Ron Paul, and others said they wanted a "buy american" clause in it but southern republican senators and nancy pelosi shot it down because they had foreign auto plants in their areas. The top 3 cars being sold with the cash for clunkers program are Toyota's. So basically what we did was borrow money from China to send to Japan. If our government used common sense a lot of our problems would be solved.

I agree with whoever said we need Rand Paul and Schiff in the Senate to mix some things up and give more votes to a different type of politician. Democrat and Republican both have so many faults neither one is a great option.
 
STOP BITCHING, START A REVOLUTION

ppl are still eating junk while watching TV everyday, things aren't that bad i guess
 
I get tired of saying the same stuff over and over again. They know if they pass this socialist law, they ensure power for the next couple decades, possibly forever.

That's why they're now packing the townhalls with SEIU union goons. That's why violence is beginning to flare up.

What people have never understood is that Obama has no moral standards. All he cares about is power. He is utterly ruthless in centralizing power. What's worse is that he's staffed his entire administration with totally subservient hacks, creating this behemoth that stretches insanely far. They march in lockstep.

People are starting to come around, but you've only seen the beginning. This administration is going to do MUCH, much worse things.

And I'll be sitting back, watching it happen and pitying the fools that never saw it coming. What'll be the most funny is when the self-righteous 'tards that called me and Popeye 'right-wing nutjobs' start to protest this governments actions and get smeared with the exact same label of 'extremist' or 'far-rightwing'. Lol
 
conv3rsion said:
So all of you govt run healthcare haters, at least do me this favor. Admit the current system is totally fucked and propose soemthing that will work better.
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A free market solution would work just fine.
 
There is a good book called Mobs, Messiahs, and Markets: Surviving the Public Spectacle in Finance and Politics. It talks about all the "world improvers" trying to make "change". They ALL ended up creating misery.

Studying history you can learn several things:

- People do not learn from history (yet, maybe tech will change that)
- Politicians are 99% likely to not be qualified for the power they will have
- People that have "missions" to improve things usually always cause more harm then good.
- When people are taxed over 51% of their income revolts start to become plausible.
- ALL FIAT CURRENCIES EVENTUALLY BECOME WORTHLESS.
- The US dollar was removed from the gold standard completely in 1971 and became a fiat currency.
- You can not fool the world for ever.
- All the "War on ______" are fake, and just creative a black hole that sucks wealth from the people to fight it.
- Centralized management of the economy will always fail because one human or a small group of humans can not possibly understand the mechanics of billions of people making decisions every millisecond.
- The USA's standard of living will either slowly decline or sharply decline as the USD eventually becomes worth less.
- Inflation will eventually wipe out senior citizens/fixed income people and they will be totally Dependant on government and/or have to keep working.
- nationalized health care will (depending on the final bill) will most likely fuck things up more. Has anyone actually looked into the history of how we got to this point? When you goto the doctor and have health insurance. Do you ask what things cost? Wouldn't you love to be able to run a restaurant and show people the menu without prices? ;-)
- With socialism you eventually run out of other peoples money - Margaret thatcher
- Politicians, police, etc.. anyone with power will eventually become more corrupt because of inflation, unjust laws. The people follow the governments example.
- I could write many more words of wisdom but don't feel like it.
 
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Jokestar said:
How are they destroying the Cash for Clunkers cars? Don't tell me it's incineration.

This is a very good point.
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Two quarts of sodium silicate (liquid glass) in place of oil to render them permanently inoperable. Then maybe recycling?
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Tax increases. To over 50% for me, meaning I work for the government more than myself.
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You're doing something wrong. For someone who has an accountant charging him over $6k/year fees for corp + personal, sounds like he does a shitty job.
bprimeelite said:
The cash for clunkers was pointless as Obama, Ron Paul, and others said they wanted a "buy american" clause in it but southern republican senators and nancy pelosi shot it down because they had foreign auto plants in their areas. The top 3 cars being sold with the cash for clunkers program are Toyota's. So basically what we did was borrow money from China to send to Japan. If our government used common sense a lot of our problems would be solved.
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Buy American? What's the American car - The one made by Ford in Mexico, or the one made by Toyota in Tennessee? Shareholders of both companies live all over the world, so the profit doesn't go to "Japan" for Toyota, nor does all profit for Ford go to the USA.
 
Most of the people (conservative and liberal alike) don't really like a lot of what's going on.

Personally I'm a libertarian (stay out of my life, business, etc..) Smaller government, etc..

I make enough money to insure my family even if the rates keep inflating. I've got a large family and pay over 1k a month for crappy coverage.

A lot of people aren't in that boat - even ones well off. But I can't help wondering what will really change if we do have government run health care.

If every family needs 1k a month going into the health care system to "insure" themselves will it change much? You've got like 47 million people uninsured right now. We pay for more people than that to get food, housing, and live off the "man".


Every business will have taxes rise, but won't have to pay for their employees health care. Every person will have taxes rise but won't have to pay for health care.

I wouldn't have to pay for mine - but if I wanted better "private" coverage I should be able to use my "government plan" value to offset me buying private coverage.

Net win = no change. (for a lot of people)

They won't do it that way though.

They will raise business and high income taxes to pay for it all while forcing business to insure their employees anyway. Double whammy for business.

I'm self insured - I will see my taxes go up and still pay for myself.

The welfare momma will keep getting free housing, health care, food stamps, and money every month while my taxes go up.

The earmarks will continue.

We will still pay 400 million for a plane that's slightly better than the plane we had that was 10 times more advanced than anyone elses plane.

We'll still pay money for research into an automatic french fry dispenser (seriously search "delaware frenchfry machine scandal"

We will still pay money to special interests, bribery, etc..

I'm more concerned with buying out the car companies and banks than I am with health care. It's one of the few damn things that while "WRONG" and against the constitution would actually benefit people with the least amount of damage if done right. It wouldn't hold them down like welfare. It wouldn't cost anything if they didn't use it. Abuse wouldn't be from people but the actual hospitals and doctors.

I don't think anyone likes to wait for medical attention - and that might (will) be a problem with a public plan. Who cares if the people who are waiting didn't have the money or plans to get the treatment before.

Flame away - I'm just thinking out loud here. Don't have a stake in it and don't care. Medical care will always be available for those who are willing to pay for it privately regardless.

There are already "No Insurance" doctors offices around now. They won't take your insurance if you have it and people go there for quality care and some actual attention. HMO doctors only have a few minutes to spend with you - not an hour of talking to make sure you are really healthy, etc...
 
stmadeveloper - The plan isn't "government run healthcare". They're not getting rid of private insurance companies and making everyone go into a single-payer healthcare system. What most people don't realize right now is that there are a lot of aspects to the current health care reform legislation being proposed by the President, and that of Congress. Health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia sums up a good number of them.
 
Over time, you will eventually be forced onto gov't healthcare.

Actual bill. - page 16

Socialism FTWWWWW!

johu said:
stmadeveloper - The plan isn't "government run healthcare". They're not getting rid of private insurance companies and making everyone go into a single-payer healthcare system. What most people don't realize right now is that there are a lot of aspects to the current health care reform legislation being proposed by the President, and that of Congress. Health care reform in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia sums up a good number of them.
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SUP3RNOVA said:
Over time, you will eventually be forced onto gov't healthcare.

Actual bill. - page 16

Socialism FTWWWWW!
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Bill does NOT make Private Health Insurance Illegal! | NowPublic News Coverage, Page 2

A good, simple explanation for the health insurance exchange can be seen at http://www.nowpublic.com/comment/reply/2407346/422957 .

From another site: "According to the House committees' summary of the bill, the Health Insurance Exchange "creates a transparent and functional marketplace for individuals and small employers to comparison shop among private and public insurers."" Sounds like a competitive, non-socialst marketplace to me.

Conservative sheeple FTW. Being from a family of doctors (who also own their own practices, and have insurance issues with employees, just as any small business), I've heard quite a bit about all sides of the issue, between covering employees, covering the owner, and the effect on medical care.
 
Health insurance reform is inevitable - whether you support it or not because the current "system" cannot be sustained. The rate of increase that medical services consume is growing exponentially, and is pressuring our economy downward. This leaves us less and less able to fund other things, and less competitive with other nations that have a real, tangible system of cost control and universal coverage.

This runaway inflation amounts to a death spiral of our economy unless we tame the beast, and the best way to do it is to cover everyone. That way, nobody mooches off the system, and there's peace of mind if you get sick or hurt. In a civilized country, everybody pitches in for the greater good. If one day you can't work because you're sick, at least you'll know the coverage will be there, and you won't lose everything on account of your illness.
 
BlueYonder said:
Health insurance reform is inevitable - whether you support it or not because the current "system" cannot be sustained. The rate of increase that medical services consume is growing exponentially, and is pressuring our economy downward. This leaves us less and less able to fund other things, and less competitive with other nations that have a real, tangible system of cost control and universal coverage.

This runaway inflation amounts to a death spiral of our economy unless we tame the beast, and the best way to do it is to cover everyone. That way, nobody mooches off the system, and there's peace of mind if you get sick or hurt. In a civilized country, everybody pitches in for the greater good. If one day you can't work because you're sick, at least you'll know the coverage will be there, and you won't lose everything on account of your illness.
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Are you kidding?
This is absolutely not going to help inflation. If inflation goes up we can't afford the medical treatment on a federal level because the dollar isn't worth piss. That happens REGARDLESS of who's paying for it. If it's the feds or not.

At the same time, we don't have the money to cover this. At all. So we'll just print up more and more bills. Which leads to inflation.

Let me guess, you thought the cap and trade bill was a jobs bill too, right?

Don't try to attribute this to anything other than what it is; we're paying for other people's health insurance. If you support it on that basis, that's fine. But to try and pretend like this will help the economy(and especially inflation) is an utter load of crap.
Especially when the pharmaceutical companies have the gov't in their pockets. How do you think we're going to set prices on meds?
If a company decides to charge even more per pill, do you think the government is going to say "Well, we're not paying that. So no one's getting that blood thinner until it comes down".
Of course not. It's political suicide.

They're going to sign off on it and get a metric shit ton of political donations.
 
xmcp123 said:
Don't try to attribute this to anything other than what it is; we're paying for other people's health insurance.
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"We" is us, paying for our own health insurance. Spread the risk and it comes out cheaper.

Your post is an example of the inertia that got us here, and why we spend far more for far less in this country. Right, let's not mess with the system because it's real REAL good.
 
BlueYonder said:
In a civilized country, everybody pitches in for the greater good.
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Spoken like a true Socialist. Screw the greater good. The greater good is a fallacy based on the notion everyone will pull their own weight but the truth of it is there will be loser deadbeats that leach off the system thus creating a disincentive to produce by the ones who do the work.

Talk about a downward spiral.
 
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