You like Muslims? Guess what happens when the cult's population grows?

lol unnecassary

No, you were a douche for starting a thread with that title and only providing a link. It's a problem, yeah, but starting a thread like this isn't going to to anything but make you look like a big dick.

Grammar Nazi patrol : it's 'unnecessary'. Had to call that one out, it just doesn't even look close to being right.
 


Actually, there are a lot more profitable things to be doing than making politics or religion threads on WF. I try to stay out of this stuff, because I curse at myself at the end of the day when my worklist is not done, and I spent even 15 minutes reading and responding to one of these threads.

If you want to be safe, make money so you can afford to protect yourself. If you want to be safe, make money so you can pay taxes that go to armed people to protect you. If you want to make the world a better place, engage in commerce, and generate income. Trade incentivizes peace.

But jawing on internet forums about this stuff changes nothing, and I would argue, based on opportunity cost (time management), makes all of the participants less happy, less wealthy and less safe.
 
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::larger sigh::

When Christianity starts killing innocent people again according to the Bible's law on a massive scale, be sure to let me know. Next time someone screams "Our Father, which art in Heaven" before blowing themselves up, be sure to let me know. The next time a priest tries to smuggle box cutters in his shoes on an airplane, be sure to let me know.

You guys had the Reformation, right? You should be praying for the 100% of Muslims to go through the same process instead of identifying them as violent by the actions of the other 1%. Yes, 1% is waaaay higher than Christianity's .0001%. But we still don't point to the .0001% and say Christianity is violent, that would be silly.

It isn't very clear that it is silly to you because 1% is waaay higher than .0001% and you can't get over the fact that so much violence is currently occurring in the name of Islam.

The fact remains...it's silly to point to 99.999% of Christians and call them violent/evil/etc., just like it is silly to point to 99% of Muslims and call them violent/evil/etc.

Until then, let's shut the fuck up and stop being careless when one jackass decides to take an unnecessary shot at Islam. Yeah, he's a douche, this thread should have been closed after that was established.

Shut the fuck up? Stop being careless? Being careless... who?

STFU to the OP I can agree with.

He does, if you've seen him in any other thread.

He makes things look so fancy for us.

Glad you like it, I take pride in my wasted time on the internet.
 
No, you were a douche for starting a thread with that title and only providing a link. It's a problem, yeah, but starting a thread like this isn't going to to anything but make you look like a big dick.

Grammar Nazi patrol : it's 'unnecessary'. Had to call that one out, it just doesn't even look close to being right.


Anyway, I honestly dont have that much of a problem with Islam thanks to capitalism/modernization/sovereign governments. What I am curious about is if there are going to ever be major local problems and security costs with a high Muslim population in Europe... I'm guessing no but who knows?
 
Anyway, I honestly dont have that much of a problem with Islam thanks to capitalism/modernization/sovereign governments.

That may be the smartest thing I've read from you.

3. Starting another post quoting someone else when you could just use the same post from before.

Seriously, I think you like to hear yourself talk.

Carry on...

Oh and rookie...I think you may have broken your own rule with that post. Dumbass.

Edit: That deserves a -rep in fact you complete 'tard.
 
That may be the smartest thing I've read from you.



Oh and rookie...I think you may have broken your own rule with that post. Dumbass.

Edit: That deserves a -rep in fact you complete 'tard.

Wow, if you missed the fact that I did that on purpose you're the fucking 'tard. Oh noes don't neg rep me!
 
Wow, if you missed the fact that I did that on purpose you're the fucking 'tard. Oh noes don't neg rep me!

I did miss the fact that you did that on purpose. It's not clear that it was on purpose...and it still isn't clear...hence, it's retarded.

Did you also miss the fact that I didn't edit my older post because that would be retarded to put it out of sequential order? (as I did on purpose in response to your asshattery in order to point at the 'tardness of it...)

If you don't give a fuck about what we're talking about in here then get the fuck out.

I can talk to myself all fucking day, asshat.

And don't worry I didn't neg rep you, I reserve that for extreme bigotry... Not retards, retards can't always help it.

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Edit: I don't even give a FUCK if anyone read that shit in red, I copied and pasted it in that color...

Didn't even need to read it and no one probably did...its presence made my point...what was my point? You don't even fucking know...
 
I did miss the fact that you did that on purpose. It's not clear that it was on purpose...and it still isn't clear...hence, it's retarded.

Did you also miss the fact that I didn't edit my older post because that would be retarded to put it out of sequential order? (as I did on purpose in response to your asshattery in order to point at the 'tardness of it...)
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I wasn't necessarily referring to that post. I was referring to how if someone doesn't respond to your drivel within 5 minutes you find it necessary to post again like you are responding to yourself. Hence, my comment about you like to hear yourself talk.
 
I wasn't necessarily referring to that post. I was referring to how if someone doesn't respond to your drivel within 5 minutes you find it necessary to post again like you are responding to yourself. Hence, my comment about you like to hear yourself talk.

Flourish the pinkie
 
I wasn't necessarily referring to that post. I was referring to how if someone doesn't respond to your drivel within 5 minutes you find it necessary to post again like you are responding to yourself. Hence, my comment about you like to hear yourself talk.

I'm done with you. Move on. Argue my points or GTFO. :321: (also, this isn't an online fucking chat room...this a public forum...I'm not talking to myself, jackass.)

Flourish the pinkie

Cool man! You got the one 'tard on your side that doesn't even care about the topic in this thread, congrats.
 
No one else post anymore bullshit in here.

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I lied, thread isn't over.

I'm going to drop any mention of the Crusades in any of my arguments from now on...(it's pretty weak for multiple reasons).

I'm going to stick to the Inquisition.

This was like Catholic Taliban. (It was waaay in the past though, congrats Christians!)

Here's one element of the Inquisition: The Spanish Inquisition

(BTW, the vid is more entertaining than it is enlightening. It isn't fringe material, either. ::looking at you, Hellblazer:: Mel Brooks is in it.)

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5McSEU48Y8"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]


lulz for me, so far at least.... I've never really investigated closely the Inquisition, though... So flame on.
 
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0QKbnCDW94"]YouTube- Broadcast Yourself.[/ame]

the devil plays a mean guitar and that's all that matters.
 
from the country that banned minarets? just saying...

lol first of all im not swiss and second I'm completely against that ban. swiss people are some special kind of educated people who unfortunately are affraid of anything that doesn't have a cross in it.
 
true Muslim who truly believe in a judgment day would dare to rape a woman, it is against their religions to do so, Rape is a crime and is punished by Death in Islam, they will probably not be sentenced to death in the UK, by try doing that in IRAN and you will get your ASS hanged in a public execution.

What a load of shit.

Yes, rape is punishable in Sharia Law. But so is adultery - punishable by death. When a woman comes forward for being raped in a Muslim country she risks going to jail or being executed herself. Women very rarely come forward in Muslim countries when they are raped, because if the law does not get them their family just might - by being raped she brings dishonour on the family, so she risks being killed in an honour killing. Most women are simply too scared to come forward because of the shame.

In Iran many of those hanged for rape are guilty of raping BOYS, not women. Although generally sex with children is no big deal there. The legal age for marriage is 8 in Iran, because that was the age that Muhammed had sex with his young wife Aisha at. As for boys, Taliban Imams shag young boys all the time, thats perfectly fine in Islam. In Iran more people are hanged for homosexuality then for rape. There are also women being STONED TO DEATH, by being buried in the ground up to their waste and having rocks thrown at their head til they day. This happens to this day. Some of these women committed the crime of bring raped!

Under Islamic law the only way a woman can prove she was raped is by having FOUR MALE WITNESSES. Now, in how many cases is that possible? A woman's word is simply not worth anything.

Rape is sanctioned in the Koran because a slavegirl or a wife cannot refuse sex to her master. A man is allowed to take any wife of an enemy as his own wife or slavegirl. Therefore rape is perfectly fine in war. There are cases in Islamic scriptures where Muhammed did this - took women from fallen enemies and had sex with them. Do you think they were willing? Muhammed was perfect to all Muslims, beyond all reproach, whatever he did is permissible and is to be emitated. He also stoned at least two people to death personally (for adultery).

There are hundreds of women in jail in Pakistan right now for the crime of being raped. Because by being raped they committed zina (adultery). This is why rape cases are low in Islamic countries - the women would never admit it:

Safia, a young blind girl, had been raped yet had ended up in jail on the charge of zina. "We (their law firm) had been given a lot of cases by the advocate general and the moment this demonstration came to light, the cases were taken away from us." Asma recalls. (Dawn-The Reviewer, April 2, 1998, “A ray of hope”)

Asma has been a staunch critic of the Hudood ordinance and blasphemy laws of Pakistan. These laws were introduced in the Pakistani constitution during the 10-year dictatorship of General Zia-ul-Haq. According to the Hudood ordinance, a person accused of adultery or zina can be sentenced to death and according to the blasphemy law, a person accused of speaking or acting against Islam can also be sentenced to death. Whatever the initial intents of these laws might have been, the result has been false imprisonment of hundreds of innocent men and women. Women who dare to report a rape are often accused of zina and locked up in prison while their offenders walk free and are never questioned or brought to justice. The blasphemy law has also resulted in false imprisonment and even death of many Pakistani Christians, Hindus, and even some Muslims.
Women of Pakistan - Asma Jahangir

The Hudood ordnance has still not been overturned - the clerics in Parliament keep voting for it.

Here are some quotes from Ayatollah Khomeini, the father of the Iranian Revolution, a holy figure to Iranian Shia, from the book "Ayatollah Khomeini in Tahrir-ol-Masael, Fourth Edition, Darol Elm, Qom":

"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. If he penetrates and the child is harmed then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however would not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl's sister."

and on sex with animals:
"The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold."

"If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it."

"It is forbidden to consume the excrement of animals or their nasal secretions. But if such are mixed in minute proportions into other foods their consumption is not forbidden."

"If a man (God protect him from it!) fornicates with an animal and ejaculates, ablution is necessary."

Keep in mind, he is simply interpretting the scriptures here.

Here's just one case of a man killing his niece for being raped (by relatives.. she fell pregnant, thats how it was found out) in Jordan:
Honor killing in Jordan: Muslim shoots his 16-year-old niece, a rape victim, nine times in the head and back - Jihad Watch

Would women admit to being raped when thats what happens in return?

Here's a 13 year old being stoned to death for adultery, when her father tried to report her rape to the fundamentalist morons running his town in Somalia:

Rape victim, 13, stoned to death in stadium - World - smh.com.au
 
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lol first of all im not swiss and second I'm completely against that ban. swiss people are some special kind of educated people who unfortunately are affraid of anything that doesn't have a cross in it.

Its ironic that Muslims complain about this. Most Muslim countries dont allow the building of churches. Qatar built their first one last year - it does not have a cross or a bell or any Christian symbol on it. under the swiss proposal its still fine to build mosques under the Swiss proposal, just not minarets.

In October in Egypt a church was attacked by a mob because the Christians tried to RESTORE their crumbling tower (for which they had a permit):
Church Renovation Prompts Muslim Mob Attack in Egypt
No way would the Egyptians allow a new church to be built.

Where are the Christian protesting about this? What, no riots?
 
Except in those countries with little economic and political freedom, most Islamic nations are becoming more modern, and less radicalized. This is a natural consequence of capitalism (which incentivizes property rights and peace) and prosperity which flows from capitalism, which reduces population growth and increases education. Although people see everything in a post-9/11 context, Iran of 30 years ago was much more radical than today, likewise Pakistan of 50 years ago was much more radical than today. The incremental change, I believe, isn't observed because people just didn't pay a lot of attention to these places pre-9/11, and so there is no context on where their social development is at.

Thats just not true. Iran was FAR more liberal in the 70s before the Islamic Revolution of 1979. There is a mosconception that IRanians want to Westernised. This is completely false. There is tiny minority in the universities that are somewhat liberal. But the silent majority support the clerics and are very conservative and religious.

Lebanon is becoming more extreme all the time. Before the civil war it was like the West, Beirut was the Paris of the Middle East. Slowly the fundamentalists are taken over. The Christians have left, the moderate Sunnis are leaving. The religious have way more children, so naturally they are taking over.

Same with Turkey. The rural conversatives are having more children and pulling the country back to religious conversatism.

Afghanistan in the 70s was far more liberal then since. There were universities, Westerners travelled freely, hijabs were nowhere in site in the cities. The war changed all that (against the Russians).

In Pakistan the more moderate Sufis are turning more and more to fundamentalist Deobandi/Salafi teachings (Pakistani army brought this on themselves with the support of the madrassas, to build a religious army against the Russians and Indians).

30 years ago in Bosnia or Kosovo you'd never have seen a covered up woman. Now Bosnia has the Bin Laden mosque!

In Egypt the ruling regime is only holding on due to extreme oppression, but their opposition is the Muslim Brotherhood, thats who the people support -
the Islamists. They certainly dont support the pro-Western forces.

In Central Asia, countries that used to be secular under Soviet rule are slowly turning back towards Islamism.

I can keep going. The assertion that Muslims in Islamic countries are growing more liberal and pro-Western is just flat out false. There are exceptions, but thats all they are. Islam is confident, assertive and seeks to control every aspect of a person's life, like in a cult. Its a hard yolk to break. Limp-wristed, relativistic, self-doubting Westerners liberalism is no match for it, they see it as an abomination.
As I said above and someone repeated after me, until Islam goes through its Reformation there is no hope, as it cannot change, evolve, break out of the cultish fundamentalist mold. Pressure must be applied until this happens. The mirror must be placed squarely in their face. Mock, criticise, tear apart, argue, rationalise. As long as Muhamed is held to be perfect and the Koran is held as the exact word of God by 99% of Muslims there is no hope. Because Muhamed said to "spread Islam by the sword until the flag of Islam flies over the whole world" and in the Koran the so called War Verses supercede the earlier Peace verses and the War Verses call Muslims to WAR. "slay them wherever you find them", "behind every bush and stone", "separate the head from the body" etc
 
I still think you're only supporting my argument with your hatred of laziness and bottomfeeders. The more you hate the more it highlights something within yourself that you hate. But in the interest of fairness, and so you're own issues aren't singled out, lets turn this around to me.

I hate religion. Why? Nothing traumatic happened to me with religion, no touch feely priests , no snakes bit redemption...etc but I hate it with the passion of someone who went through all that. I hold the the utmost contempt for religion and as an unfortunate byproduct, people who hold religion dear. I'm not proud of that but i'm not going to deny it either. So the question is why? If I had to use my own argument I would say it's because I view religious people to be weak. Weak intellectually and weak emotionally. But still why so much hate? Maybe because some deep part of me feels the weakness too. I too want to be apart of something bigger, I too want there to be something after dead. And it's that desire that angers me because I KNOW that it's only a desire and that it will never be so just because there is a desire. there fore I'm left with disappointment which makes me angry, which then leads to hate in other people who perpetuate this hogwash even after they should have had this intellectual debate within themselves. They lost. They gave into their desire to be ignorant more than their ability to with stand the cold hard truth and I hate them for their ignorance is bliss. I envy that. (Holy shit am I starting to sound like Kevin Spacy in Seven or what??? Which I see the irony considering the topic heh.) So there are my own inner hate demons.
Actually I would not agree with you. I follow religion. Not fanatically, but I follow it. Well, think abt this. We are soon coming to Christmas. Perhaps it has become too commercialistic and all. But people forget what it is really all about. It ain't abt the mistletoe, the dresses and the toys. But as a by-product you hate those that follow religion? Isn't that taking it far? To each his own. On a personal note, I do not find such people weak, in fact it makes them ... human.

I cannot bring you to my conclusion because you have already made up your mind. It's the same with the world. A few muslims do bad things, everyone blames them. Like this thread. Frankly I fail to see the significance with whether I like a muslim or not. Because one day when I really need someone, a muslim whom I do not know at all, might help me out. What do I do then? Refuse the much sought after help.. because of religion. I follow religion. But at times, I also believe, you have to think first before.