Your Political Stance?
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No. If one person works 12 hours a day and gets £20,000 a year and another person works 6 hours a day and gets £10,000,000 a year, that isn't right. Yet that is the way currently.
You're a communist now, remember?
You're a communist now, remember?
Wha? Really? You want everyone on the planet to make the same exact salary no matter if their job is important or not, they have aspirations or not,they are educated or not, they are retarded or not, or if they refuse to work or not?
You're hoping for NOTHING less than utopia now.
Even under the most socialist government this world has ever seen, this is completely & utterly unsupportable.
Such a system will crash almost immediately and turn into total Anarchy.
You want anarchy too? You just asked for it.
I am going to vote for the guy that will do these things...
1. not raise taxes (possibly reduce them)
2. privatizes S.S
3. reduce medicare & medicaid benefits
4. ELIMINATE welfare for everyone who is not disabled
5. Stop bitching about gay marriage (there is bigger fish to fry)
6. Legalize drugs ( dont use them myself and don't care if you do)
7. Make abortions illegal and speed up death row by mandatory executions after being found guilty for murder/rape other brutal crimes. ( I tie these two together to point the irony out to people who support abortion and hate the death penalty).
8. Stop banning guns from every fucking public place (not private we have no right to tell a business how to operate) it's against the constitution.
I could be missing some other major factors but can't think of any right now.... that is my political stance
1. not raise taxes (possibly reduce them)
2. privatizes S.S
3. reduce medicare & medicaid benefits
4. ELIMINATE welfare for everyone who is not disabled
5. Stop bitching about gay marriage (there is bigger fish to fry)
6. Legalize drugs ( dont use them myself and don't care if you do)
7. Make abortions illegal and speed up death row by mandatory executions after being found guilty for murder/rape other brutal crimes. ( I tie these two together to point the irony out to people who support abortion and hate the death penalty).
8. Stop banning guns from every fucking public place (not private we have no right to tell a business how to operate) it's against the constitution.
I could be missing some other major factors but can't think of any right now.... that is my political stance
Ok, Union busting is the job of a business, not the government. The government can outlaw public sector unions, but it's stupid for them to have any say in whether individuals can unionize or not. The problem with public sector unions has to do with collusion between those unions and the government (see GM and Boeing).
On another note, @sixthcutuan when you say
On another note, @sixthcutuan when you say
I need to know why you be so stupid. GSK gives NHS uber cheap drugs by subsidizing them with countries that don't have stupid medical systems. You get cheap drugs because we pay full price. Once the US starts re-importing the drugs that ya'll get at reduced prices, Canada and the UK are fucked sideways because GSK and other drug companies will be forced to increase their prices on drugs to match the actual market demand. Guess what happens then... drug prices in the US fall, drug prices where you are go up. Your taxes go up. Your country fails. Yay Europe!!
samgeneric you're right if a group of people decide they want to unionize that's all fine and dandy but the government should not be allowed to interject when the business says you're all fired I don't want a union to tell me how to run my business....
So yes I agree government should not get involved...good point!
So yes I agree government should not get involved...good point!
Oops, I meant the problem with private sector unions. Anyhow, yeah, I think I pretty much agree with the rest of your voting standards.
nomakesense
Sometimes rather clever.
From the research I've done and as I understand the overall situation, the problem is this reoccurring belief that we need a small group of "intellectuals" to make all the decisions which affect how we live and how we operate as a society.
A republic was the best that past societies could come up with because they were limited by their history.
Do we really need "representatives" who have a monopoly on the decision making power in our society? Which of course, as we all know, leads to massive corruption. Where those so called representatives, both in government and in the private corporations, focus on their own self-interests as opposed to the interest of the people as a whole.
Yea, you could root for capitalism or socialism, argue both sides, but what are you really arguing for?
Is it the idea that there needs to be this small higher class of people, capable of making decisions for the greater good of the entire population. There is still that cultural problem of acting in your own self-interest. That idea that power corrupts.
Capitalism is not the problem, socialism is not the problem. The problem is the inherit hierarchical structures imposed on us by passed societies which govern how the decision making power in a society is spread.
Real democracy over decision making power in the workplace and in government, was never possible because of a lack of technology.
That argument is no longer valid in our society. We are only now limited by ignorance and values imposed on us by the institutions of our society.
We don't all have to be involved in all of the decisions that govern our society. That would be impossible and exhausting. Although I do believe we should all have influence over the decisions which affect our lives proportionate to the amount that those decisions affect our lives.
If that is even possible, wouldn't you want to work towards something like that?
A republic was the best that past societies could come up with because they were limited by their history.
Do we really need "representatives" who have a monopoly on the decision making power in our society? Which of course, as we all know, leads to massive corruption. Where those so called representatives, both in government and in the private corporations, focus on their own self-interests as opposed to the interest of the people as a whole.
Yea, you could root for capitalism or socialism, argue both sides, but what are you really arguing for?
Is it the idea that there needs to be this small higher class of people, capable of making decisions for the greater good of the entire population. There is still that cultural problem of acting in your own self-interest. That idea that power corrupts.
Capitalism is not the problem, socialism is not the problem. The problem is the inherit hierarchical structures imposed on us by passed societies which govern how the decision making power in a society is spread.
Real democracy over decision making power in the workplace and in government, was never possible because of a lack of technology.
That argument is no longer valid in our society. We are only now limited by ignorance and values imposed on us by the institutions of our society.
We don't all have to be involved in all of the decisions that govern our society. That would be impossible and exhausting. Although I do believe we should all have influence over the decisions which affect our lives proportionate to the amount that those decisions affect our lives.
If that is even possible, wouldn't you want to work towards something like that?
Didnt want to bump this thread because it was so old but you have instead. So what you're saying is that apart from the ignorance and morals created by society, we are able to be more democratic? I disagree. Ignorance is a huge problem, here in the UK, some people vote for Labour or Conservatives because their family has always voted for them. From what i've heard this happens on a huge scale in America. People just arn't aware of the views of the political parties and just keep ticking the same box each election.
Oh and the morals matter is also very important. I was speaking to some people recently that do political philosophy as a second subject at university and apparently the morals between Europeans and American's are completely different. The lecturer often says "If you are European then it is obvious that ..." and often there would be heated debates between the American's and Europeans. I had no idea for instance, that some American's believe taxing is illegal. I was discussing it with others and we have decided that many American's believe in John stewart Mill's beliefs, that every man's labour is his own and therefore for anyone to take away that labour is bad. All very well but he completely ignores the fact that society can't function that way. Also the fact that many American's truly believe that the government is "bad". I personally know that my government does what it can on a whole.
I'm sorry to say that there is a very strong resentment of (the regular, capitalist) American morals in Europe as they are believed to be selfish, harmful to freedom / democracy (Imperialist, guantamano, Iraq, lots of dodgy dealing and making other countries reliant on them) and all-round a less anti-semitic, toned-down version of the Nazi's (Ok you won't hear that actually, but the US is seen as VERY right wing [That's bad in Europe])
No fascist option? We need to bring fashion and pizazz back to politics.
gotta hand it to them, fascists and commies always had some rockin hats.
Here you go. Many American's mistakenly feel that Obama fits in with the lefties and Republicans fit in with the righties. In reality (Comparably to Europe), Obama is in fact centre-right wing and the Republicans are the far right wing. We have a similar party to the Republicans in the UK called the British National Party. Fortunately they are not very popular as they are highly racist and ignorant (Ever watched fox news? I swear, Flash Gordon the movie had more truth to it).
Here you go. Many American's mistakenly feel that Obama fits in with the lefties and Republicans fit in with the righties. In reality (Comparably to Europe), Obama is in fact centre-right wing and the Republicans are the far right wing. We have a similar party to the Republicans in the UK called the British National Party. Fortunately they are not very popular as they are highly racist and ignorant (Ever watched fox news? I swear, Flash Gordon the movie had more truth to it).
America does not want to be europe, so it's a bad comparison. Obama is way to left for my liking regardless of how europe views him.
It is a very good poll conducted.This poll shows the mentality of the people. I am not surprise to see that most people are "Libertarian".Well my own personal view is that i want moderate way of living. I believe that excess of everything is bad so balance moderate way of thinking and living is the right solution of living.
It's just my own personal view
It's just my own personal view
What is a moderate way of thinking?It is a very good poll conducted.This poll shows the mentality of the people. I am not surprise to see that most people are "Libertarian".Well my own personal view is that i want moderate way of living. I believe that excess of everything is bad so balance moderate way of thinking and living is the right solution of living.
It's just my own personal view
Is an excess of good bad? Is an excess of liberty bad? Is an excess of respect and love bad?
Do we need to mix some evil in with good to have moderation?
Christ.
To me, anarchism is the only rational philosophy. Others may disagree, but I doubt they can defend their beliefs logically.
"you display a dangerous excess of faith in your fellow man" -John Adams
EDIT: Is this the part where I get involved in a long and thoroughly enjoyable debate about political ideologies and the nature of man with Guerilla?
No, it's the part where I quote John Adams and then go back to working.
The man who would allow others to rule him is the one displaying a dangerous excess of faith.
Adams' American experiment has failed precisely because he didn't recognize the contradiction inherent in his solution.