Yeap got a passport so why is it that people travel to the united states if the quality of medicine here is so sub-par? I notice you have nothing to say about how expeident other countries are when I comes to see specialist again some things are time sensitive so when you have to wait 8 weeks to see a cancer specialist you probably arent going to like it. Also no I don't like giving my money to ANYONE EVER but that's not what I was debating.... Corps make less money you get less research I thought that was common sense....
So again if they don't make money they don't care to male new drugs ( let me guess your solution to that would be more government right ?)
And if doctors start realizing all customers (yes customers... Doctors own things called businesses) get free care or cheap care and there roi goes down they may not be as likely to stay in that profession ( I know I wouldn't who want to make less money)
Again why not look at tort reform instead of wasting tax dollars
FYI I didn't proof read this to much of a pain on the phone
Sure LukeP, I'll take a shot. Here's the deal jonas33h, LukeP is lying about how he goes to the UK and Thailand for medical treatment. He's just straight up being dishonest. If he were a rational human being who can actually afford to fly to those places every time he needs to go to the doctor, he'd go to Minnesota and have his work done at the Mayo Clinic, or he'd go to Boston and have his work done at Beth Israel. Or he'd go to 100 other places where you go when you need a good doctor.
You see, the reason that LukeP thinks your a monkey bottom is because LukeP has watched a lot of Charlie the Unicorn and is convinced that they give their patients different magical drugs. The reason he thinks this, probably, is because one time on vacation, he got sick, and was probably given something like Vicodin or Cigarettes for his ailment. Thinking that this seemed unorthodox, he concluded that US doctors don't give you medicine for your sickness, and UK doctors do.
Now I know what you're going to say, "how do you know LukeP is lying?" I know, I shouldn't accuse without proof. But man, it's so obvious, I shall impeach the fucker before your eyes, so that you too can know and declare his guilt on the matter (I shall be the successful prosecutor). You see, the first indication that LukeP is lying is in his admission that he goes to two different places in order to receive medical treatment.
This is suspicious in that his discussion of the two locations indicates that he goes as a result of their cheap, if not free healthcare. My first question is simple, if he is such a cogent evaluator of healthcare systems, why would he engage in medical tourism in two very different systems with two very different pricing structures and two very different outcomes? That question, in itself should make you wonder. But let us call into question his claim of tourism country by country.
Now, Thailand has healthcare, albeit not free healthcare, that runs at costs of about 10% of what exists in the US. So, for example, while a bypass might cost an uninsured patient about 160k in the US, in Thailand it might be about 16k. However, for general practice stuff, in the US, an uninsured patient might pay anywhere from $50-$400. Presuming that LukeP is uninsured (which I doubt very much), this would mean that barring the fact that he has numerous incredibly expensive health needs, to make a trip to Thailand he would need to find tickets that are within that range of price, and have within his general utility the presumption that the time and hassle of travel would not exceed his cost. Moreover, for general health maintenance, he would have to presume that the result of going to a Thai doctor would be different than going to an American doctor. Which means, the only instance in which a rational human being would go to Thailand from the US for medical treatment is if one were uninsured, in need of an expensive operation, or if one truly believed the outcome of having an operation done in Thailand were going to be different than one in the US. The last point (that the operation's outcomes would be different) is irrational in almost all cases. In any case if the price part of the equation does not actuate, then this argument only matters if your price sensitivity is low. Therefore, it is fairly obvious that LukeP has never intentionally gone to Thailand for the purposes of being treated. That doesn't mean he might not have happened to be in Thailand while needing a doctor. But either he's a boob:love-smiley-085:, or he's using his commitment to their medical system for purely rhetorical effect.
In addition, LukeP has to evaluate his claim of going to Thailand in conjunction with his claim of going to the UK for medical assistance. Let's presume that ticket prices to both locations are the same (which they are not, the UK will be much cheaper), why would LukeP go to Thailand when the cost of medicine is anything when he can go to the UK for the same price and get free healthcare. That would be stupid. Which is how I know that Thailand is right out. No chance he actually goes there just for medical treatment.
Since we've established that LukeP does not engage in medical tourism in Thailand (lest he is a boob of magnificent proportions), all that need be done is impeach his claim that he goes to the UK for medical treatment (which is called into question since he obviously lied about Thailand). Once again, LukeP claims to participate in medical tourism for the purposes of saving money. Now, while I understand that plain tickets for the UK are incredibly cheap right now, in this environment, Mr. P would have to find ROUND TRIP tickets in the $50-400 range in order to make it economical for his going there to have most procedures done. Apart from that, in the UK, there is the chance that non-residents will need to pay for their procedures (but we will assume that LukeP is an exception). In that case, Mr. P would have to also assume a different outcome in going to the doctors in the UK. Now, since there are only a limited number of medications, and we the same drugs in the US to treat the same illnesses it's illogical to assume (despite LukeP claiming it's what he assumes). In the case that he actually assumes it to be true, it means that his experience with UK doctors must be limited. It means that all he has is some anecdotal evidence of his belief. Or he read it on some dis-credible website. Either way, his experience going to UK doctors has to be limited.
Which brings me to my closing argument. LukeP claims that he goes there because 1) outcomes are different and 2) prices are cheaper. As I wrote his belief that outcomes are different is irrational. It is only true insofar as you are going to see one particular doctor or going to one particularly good medical facility (especially if they specialize). And his belief that prices are cheaper is true only insofar as he is getting major medical work done and has no insurance (which, like I said, is probably not the case). Since prices aren't actually cheaper for an American going to either of these countries for general treatment, then it is necessarily the case that a person who engages in medical tourism can only believe in the first reason for going abroad for medical help. Since, however, LukeP claims price is part of the equation, he does not have the measn to evaluate whether outcomes are actually different. What that means is he may think that outcomes are different, but since prices aren't actually cheaper, he can't have gone to either place just for medical treatment, and certainly doesn't do it regularly. In any case, since neither of these claims actually hold, then either LukeP is a retarded incompetent, or he's lying. You be the judge.
Whatever the case, it's all moot, because TheCheesePolice is right. The US healthcare system isn't free. In fact, the medical system is organized much like the banks. Their collusion goes deep, in the same way that the fed exists. For example, there is usually a board in each district that gets to decide whether new hospitals can be built in an area. Guess who usually sits on this board? Right, the directors of the hospitals in the area. It's like Walmart getting to decide whether KMart is allowed to move in and having legal authority to not allow them. And yet, in spite of the corruption inherrent in the system, the US medical system is better in every unskewed metric that exists. The data that LukeP is relying on is both oft-cited and oft-criticized for its biases. Instead of talking about that, he thinks that he's discovered some numbers that validate his stupid opinions. And then, like a eloquent child molester, he has convinced sixthcutuan that he is one of the reasonable adults in his life and that he should be trusted.
