Iowa Caucuses

Hellboy, I know that arguing with you is about as smart as arguing with a a swine-flu-ridden swine, but you're on the Iowa Caucus thread claiming all kind of really stupid shit about RP when he just won the most delegates in Iowa, so it's time to put you in your sad little place.

Your best argument is that Romney will not win an election against Obama? That Ron Paul stands a better chance of winning than Romney?
It's an awesome argument and a true one if you understand Paul. Which you obviously don't.

You look at him and see a senile kook that is too liberal when indeed he is the strongest (physically), smartest, AND most conservative candidate you're offered. Read up and you'll know that all three of those claims are undeniable.

The mainstream media doesn't want people to know this though, because he'd be very bad for their profits. Very bad indeed... So of course they frame him as a kook at every chance they get. You fell for it instead of seeing the truth.

People like you care about first appearances like looks and non-issues like "whether or not Iran can make its' own nuke" when those are not important issues at all. You think it is, but they simply are not. You've been sold a story by the MSM.

Paul's foreign policy is the only sane one I've ever heard. Check it out; this film is pure awesome and explains what you obviously don't understand:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8NhRPo0WAo]You Like Ron Paul, Except on Foreign Policy - YouTube[/ame]


Obama could easily destroy Ron Paul as a loon
The ONLY people who ever claimed RP was a loon simply don't know his history and track record. It's uncanny. It's like he was sent from the future to tell us what happened to america and no one is listening to him. Not when he predicted 9/11, not when he predicted 50 other freaking things that have happened to us years later too, not on the economy, not even on Obamacare, which he was a huge voice against; and the only Doctor around to ask questions of in congress! Did the MSM give that any credit? Nope. All we saw was fucking Boehner walking down hallways looking angry. Fuck this stupid media.

If you're not FUCKING impressed with Paul's Prophetic record, watch this short vid... It should blow your mind, if you'd just pay attention:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGDisyWkIBM]Ron Paul - Predictions in Due Time - YouTube[/ame]

Yep, Paul made allllllllllllllllllllll those predictions back in April 2002, and 100% of them came true in some way. Heck, that's just the latest round-up though... Paul's been doing that for decades. He knows the score.

His MIND is what we want in the whitehouse. He's got a truly wise mind that comes around once in ten generations, and fucktards like you can't even see that it's any good at all. Moron.

Think Romney can do all of that accurate predictions? No? Why would we want him leading us then if someone else can?

I guess my main point here is that Paul is DAMN SMART. Not just about history, but about strategy too. Case in point: He didn't just go to Iowa to get the popular vote. He went there to grab the most delegates, and he succeeded.

In debates Paul is untouchable excepting only when the Media cheats. (Which can explain the times in the debate you thought he was wrong) If you ever put Paul up against another candidate, Paul makes them look like uninformed school children. Just like he's already done to Romney.

Romney may be a decent politician... But Paul's a motherfucking Prophet.


Simply saying brave lines like "the left/right paradigm is meaningless" don't actually make it meaningless, just like saying gravity doesn't exist doesn't actually stop you from breaking your neck when you walk off a tall building. Dianne Feinstein is ideologically different from Paul Ryan. Barack Obama is ideologically different from Jim Demint. Nancy Pelosi is ideologically different from Rand Paul. That's what's called a logically correct paradigm. One half falls on the left, the other half on the right. Now you can argue that those people have inconsistencies in their position, you can argue that they are not always ideologically pure, but to say that there is no difference between those two sets of people is INSANE.
No one is arguing that the left and right want the exact same thing. We all know that Righties want no abortions while lefties want more welfare. We get that, and yes, there is some fundamental difference, which is what makes this so confusing to fools like you.

When we state that the left/right paradigm is meaningless is when we apply it to Politics in this country specifically.

What's important is who is on the dole & who's not. The fact that Obama is on the dole makes that liberal douchebag act just like Bush.

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The Red and Blue parties, and everything they do that fills up the newspapers is called "Bread and Circuses." They aren't important, they aren't real, and they simply can be influenced in the MSM, or rigged outright if the powers that be need the outcomes to go differently.

We probably just witnessed a rigging last night... We'll never know though, I'm sure. But Paul has been voting for 30 whole years now in direct opposition to these hidden powers that be and It is obvious that this is the fundamental reason he's so popular today. Anyone who learns about his history and is smart enough to know that Red & Blue are a facade... Is an instant Paul supporter.
 
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On the left, you have the communists. On the right, you have a core of real patriots, plus a hodgepodge of idiots whose minds are contaminated with all of this disinformation nonsense.

Turbo's gunning for Paul and she's a diehard liberal. Why should she have a single fucking say in the Republican primary?

+rep for craziest post in a while

People will set EVERYTHING aside in order to evict Obama from the White House.

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You retards are psychotic and can't comprehend reality.

It's funny how people, no matter how smart, can't talk politics without it degenerating into shit spewing about communism, retards, diseased, libtards, neo-cons, psychotic, black and white no grey areas bullshit.

It must be nice to know everything.

All of the backroom deals, who's bought who, hidden agenda's, long-term plans for the industrial war complex, who draws the lines between "isolationism", "non-interventionism" and "nation building".

There are many shades of grey.

People on "either side" who think they have all of the answers and violently attack anyone with views not 100% aligned with their own are laughably irrelevant at worst and psychotically dangerous at best.

I'd say anyone who believes that both parties haven't already been bought and paid for - That this Government hasn't been "by the people, for the people" since before most of us were born - are out of touch with reality.

I think the appeal of Ron Paul is maybe - just maybe - he isn't a completely corrupt piece of shit like every single politician in this country.

I don't think he'll be elected.

But if he snaps enough sheeple out of this black and white, left vs. right "us vs. them" mentality it'll be a victory.

U.S. Democracy as we know it today is a fucking puppet show charade put on to distract the peasants, give them the illusion of having just enough perceived control over their existence to subdue any resistance long enough to let them eat each other alive.

And it works.

Ron Paul can't save this country even if he gets elected, but I'd love to see him prove me wrong.

I think the only revolution that could bring about real change is beyond the scope of politics.

That's what I think.

I think we're involved with wars we don't belong in.

I think our Government is grossly irresponsible, financially, with our military, foreign policy, for profit prisons and way too many other levels to get into.

I think the system is rigged. And no matter how loud we shout our voices won't be heard - although I don't think that means we shouldn't try.

I think the majority of voters in this country are oblivious to who's really in control and what's on their agenda.

I think Ron Paul would be a huge step in the right direction. But him even getting the chance is a long shot.

I think we'll see Obama round 2 in 2012 - And I don't think that's a good thing. I think anyone on the Republican ticket other than Paul would be equally as bad.

I think we're in a bad place - I think it'll get worse - I hope it gets better.

The only thing I know is that I know nothing. I can't see all of the cards on the table. I know politicians on both sides are career liars. I know things are never as they seem, there's always an agenda, from our reasons for wars to the laws protecting our freedoms.

I know that one man's revolutionary is another man's terrorist, just depends on whose propeganda you believe.

I know the masses are easily influenced and perpetually deceived.

I know people believe what they want to believe - and no amount of logic or reason can ever trump emotion or life-long convictions. We all drink our own kool-aid and believe our own propaganda.

I know as fucked up as the country is now - we've still got it very good in the grand scheme of life and it's a helluva time to be alive.

I'm going to do my best to enjoy it, no matter which puppet they tell me is in charge or who's really pulling the strings.

God fucking bless America.
 
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+rep. I can completely relate to your post. As you said, the masses will always believe the propaganda they receive, whether it's pro or anti government. Emotions always trump logic. As long as we can wield our emotions in the right direction, then things can turn out alright. Our country may be fucked up, but we can't deny the multitude of resources and opportunities that we still have available to us. I truly do hope our country moves forward in the right direction, but for now I don't mind taking a shit while listening to my iPod and going on my laptop to make monies online and then going outside to do shit like fly in an airplane or drive in a car, which would have been unthinkable 100 years ago. What we have now is better than having the unfortunate chance of growing up ANY time prior to the 1900s.
 
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The problem with Hellblazer is radical christianity has atrophied his mind. Radical Christianity, radical Islam, radical any Religion impares proper thought process and your opinions are no longer based on critical thinking.

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This is WF. You can call me delusional in your second sentence all you want, but don't play the Miss Manners card. You more than anyone else know the culture of this place, more than anyone else SHOULD know the absurd monolithic vitriol emanating from the Left here. Let me know where you've ever protested against it and I'll actually listen to that line of attack. I attack them, treat them badly, and call them names because I know they won't change their minds regardless, so in that case I won't bother to sugarcoat the truth.
I am pretty sure I have, and will continue to fight socialism much more effectively and aggressively than you do. Barking at people isn't a substitute for changing minds.

Huge misrepresentation. Romney barely focused on Iowa, he has almost no base there, Obama's operatives are all over it pumping up RP's numbers, and he still won!
This is actually not true. Romney was running a stealth campaign and decided to go balls out at the end. His was the second best organized campaign at the end of the day, and he managed to buy off lots of local party officials to compete with Santorum, who bought the Bob Van Der Plaats endorsement.

Look, I don't claim to be an expert on everything, and perhaps I am an expert on nothing, but I can guarandamntee you that I watched this Iowa thing closer the last 6 months than probably anyone you know personally.

I don't think you have more than a superficial view as presented by the media of what actually went down. If Paul buys that endorsement instead of Santorum, he would have walked away with 45% of the vote, including massive #s of socons. But buying people off isn't Paul's style. He doesn't play dirty, just tough.

Before you spout off more ignorant crap about dems, the dems and youth vote for Paul didnt materialize. Paul has more conservatives backing him than Bachmann, and until 2 weeks ago, Santorum. If Paul had gotten the full turnout from the youth and Dems, he would have devastated.

Your problem is, and will continue to be, that you know so much that isn't so. Sure, you're right on some topics, but its by coincidence, not principle, logic or reasoning.

I don't hate you, and I don't even hate that you destroy everything social you participate in, poisoning the well with the same mindless vitriol you posted 3 months, 6 months, 9 months ago.

What I do wish though, is that you had the common sense to shut up and sit this stuff out, because all of the people you're attacking here, are actually trying to save your ass from issues you can't even see coming.
 
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I am a Christian Republican who is aboard the Ron Paul train.

Why?

I'm SICK AND TIRED of the same old shit. I don't like his views on foreign policy (yes I saw the video), but guess what - I DON'T CARE. I am tired of this horseshit socialism and nanny state we're in. I'm tired of moving away from the Constitution.

Ron Paul sounds like one of the Founding Fathers. They were deemed crazy back in the day too.

Mitt Romney? Romneycare? Fuck that.

Rick Santorum? Fuck off. His plan to strengthen the economy was to "strengthen marriage first." FUCK YOU. I'm a Christian. I don't agree with gay marriage, but it's not something I GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT RIGHT NOW! It's all about turning the economy around.

Newt Gingrich? Seriously? What is this, 1998? He's more of the same. Just like Santorum. In favor of the same bailouts, big government George W. Bush bullshit.

I have NEVER voted for a Democrat and never will. Fuck liberals. Liberals are cancer to society. It's not a difference of opinion. It's right vs. wrong. Liberalism is death to a society. Just look at what Obama's doing now.

To say that Ron Paul supporters are not conservative is fucking ignorant.

Fucking hellblazer totally trolled me and pissed me off. It worked. <sigh>

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I mean, just look at you. Turbo's gunning for Paul and she's a diehard liberal. Why should she have a single fucking say in the Republican primary? It makes me sick. If he aligns with her diseased mindset so well, let's send that 80-year old disinformation plant to the Democrat Party!

You really are a sad little man. Luckily, I believe people like you are rare, so I'll appreciate your only contribution to society which is: the lulz.
 
I am a Christian Republican who is aboard the Ron Paul train.

Why?

I'm SICK AND TIRED of the same old shit. I don't like his views on foreign policy (yes I saw the video), but guess what - I DON'T CARE. I am tired of this horseshit socialism and nanny state we're in. I'm tired of moving away from the Constitution.

Ron Paul sounds like one of the Founding Fathers. They were deemed crazy back in the day too.

Mitt Romney? Romneycare? Fuck that.

Rick Santorum? Fuck off. His plan to strengthen the economy was to "strengthen marriage first." FUCK YOU. I'm a Christian. I don't agree with gay marriage, but it's not something I GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT RIGHT NOW! It's all about turning the economy around.

Newt Gingrich? Seriously? What is this, 1998? He's more of the same. Just like Santorum. In favor of the same bailouts, big government George W. Bush bullshit.

I have NEVER voted for a Democrat and never will. Fuck liberals. Liberals are cancer to society. It's not a difference of opinion. It's right vs. wrong. Liberalism is death to a society. Just look at what Obama's doing now.

To say that Ron Paul supporters are not conservative is fucking ignorant.

Fucking hellblazer totally trolled me and pissed me off. It worked. <sigh>

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"I'm a Christian. *%&(#*$(#* I'm a Christian. *#$*%$!. I'm a Christian. @*#%##."

If you're a Christian you have some repenting to do, either that or you're wholly ignorant of what it means to be an ambassador of Christ/Christ Follower.

Everything from the language you use (and not just today's posts) to your avatar...

Seriously??? You manage to break three commandments in every post. LMAO

WickedFire Christians seem to make atheists look morally centered... :disgust:
 
It amazes me that more people don't have hellboy on ignore and completely avoid the trolling and what amounts to basically reading the same posts over and over again.

Btw, this whole part of the process fascinates me, and while I don't fully understand it, I do hope this hasn't done too much to hurt Paul's push. Would seem a complete sham not to have what appears to be the most sane individual that has run for ages not to get a crack at running for president.
 
odds are against you my friend
MSTeacher, I like you even though we argue. I would love to discuss economics with you. Make time for it. We can close the gap between us with an honest discussion.

We can do it on skype or something.
 
"I'm a Christian. *%&(#*$(#* I'm a Christian. *#$*%$!. I'm a Christian. @*#%##."

If you're a Christian you have some repenting to do, either that or you're wholly ignorant of what it means to be an ambassador of Christ/Christ Follower.

Everything from the language you use (and not just today's posts) to your avatar...

Seriously??? You manage to break three commandments in every post. LMAO

WickedFire Christians seem to make atheists look morally centered... :disgust:

You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye. - Matthew 7:5

PS: Suck my balls