A diet thread for grown-ups
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okay someone mentioned the O word - there is absolutely no proven benefit to organic food. Period. It will not help your diet. It just gives you that nice little image of down home style farming which is BS, and organic food uses pesticides too.
Almost all evidence when it comes to diet is anecdotal.
So are you saying there is no difference between organic and inorganic biologically, or that organic food is worse than inorganic food?
There seems to be a lot of not quoting your sources in this thread, or quoting pretty unreliable sources 
Interesting - just had a look, and yeah, could only find 1 study to contradict (one by the USDA that said non-organic chicken had higher arsenic levels, but that's a 404 now).
Just that there's no difference, not better or worse. There are a lot of detriments to organic food, but not diet related.
Ok, an interesting critique of the China study here:
The Cornell China Project--Examining the Vegan Claims proj
tldr; is that people have overblown the findings. Because it was an ecological study, you can only use it to generate hypotheses, not validate them. The study authors acknowledged this, but others have ignored it.
The really interesting statement there is:
"Collaborative analysis of 5 large studies finds no difference in death rates from cancer, vegetarian vs. non-vegetarian." (although there was certainly a difference with heart disease).
That one surprises me.
What are your goals? The Atkins Diet was designed to help you lose weight, not to help you live longer.
Here's how I understand it from growing up in a household with a lot of emphasis on healthy eating (and a lot of knowledge on the subject).
Have:
Fruits
Vegetables with Colors (Potatoes don't count)
White Meat (Mainly Chicken)
Fish (Especially Salmon)
Low Fat Milk
Nuts
Don't Have:
Processed Meats (lots of saturated fat, cholesterol, and carcinogens)
Red Meats (see above)
Processed Foods
Obvious Junk Food (Soda, Candy, Other Crap With Lots of Saturated Fats or Trans Fats)
Crappy Empty Carbs (Potatoes, White Bread, Pasta)
It really depends on what you're going after. I don't care about how strength conditioning or anything like that, I just care about maximizing my life expectancy. So if that is not your top priority then I'm sure some of foods you want to be eating change.
I think that's a difficult question to answer. If given the choice between organic and not organic I think you'd be foolish not to eat organic foods. There are lots of chemicals that we only fully understand decades after they've been introduced into food and if I have both options I'd rather not take my chances. With that being said, organic doesn't mean healthy. It should be pretty obvious that organic whole milk is worse for you than not organic skim milk, and organic beef is worse for you than not organic chicken.
Organic is probably better than not organic, but organic doesn't mean healthy. A cigarette can be all natural and organic too but that doesn't mean it's good for you.
I'll make this quick because I'm busy and I gotta FUCKING GO.
but I'm about to lay down some knowledge right here:
diet and exercise.
diet and exercise.
I lost 50 lbs since September and it was all from diet and fucking exercise man. I run 2 days a week, lift weights 4 days a week. (I see a personal trainer 2 of those lifting days to make sure my routine stays switched up/form is correct)
What I eat:
chicken, nuts, all types of fucking vegetables, brown rice, fish, lean cuts of steak and sometimes shoes.
I also cut out boozing 4 nights a week and cut that back to once a month.
I only shop at whole foods / organic marts to feed my narcissistic and snotty personality, so if ur fat and your starting to goto whole foods, get used to ppl staring at your ass for a while until you get skinny.
but I'm about to lay down some knowledge right here:
diet and exercise.
diet and exercise.
I lost 50 lbs since September and it was all from diet and fucking exercise man. I run 2 days a week, lift weights 4 days a week. (I see a personal trainer 2 of those lifting days to make sure my routine stays switched up/form is correct)
What I eat:
chicken, nuts, all types of fucking vegetables, brown rice, fish, lean cuts of steak and sometimes shoes.
I also cut out boozing 4 nights a week and cut that back to once a month.
I only shop at whole foods / organic marts to feed my narcissistic and snotty personality, so if ur fat and your starting to goto whole foods, get used to ppl staring at your ass for a while until you get skinny.
Why would this be obvious? What are you basing this on? And do you know anything about omega-6 vs. omega-3 fats and the very high ratio of the former to the latter (i.e. pro-inflammatory) in conventionally grown animals?
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In all seriousness fuck dieting, running is best.
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In all seriousness fuck dieting, running is best.
I eat a lot of bread, pasta and potatoes. I often have fried eggs and bacon for breakfast, I had 2 sandwiches for lunch, and at least 1 full fat latte every day. I ate a whole bag of doritos after my dinner tonight. I don't exercise apart from walking and I've actually lost 1kg since I last checked, I'm 62kg and 5'11. The only things I actively avoid are sugar, deep fried foods and soft drinks.
You might be thinking 'your cholesterol must be high', got it checked last week and it's:
LDL 2.2 nmol\L (the 'bad' one, reference range is <3.4)
HDL 2.3 nmol\L (the 'good' one, ref range is 0.9-2.2)
Giving me a total chol\HDL ratio of 2.1 which is fucken excellent. Somehow my good cholesterol is higher than my bad cholesterol.
The downside to my skinny genes is it's bloody hard to put on any muscle, I went to the gym for a year and only gained 2kg even though I was squatting and benching way above my body weight. My left knee sounds like velcro now too which is great.
My best mate put on 10kg of lean muscle in 8 months using ONE dumbell. Guy doesn't even have a bench, he lies on the floor and presses with one arm at a time. He doesn't take protein, doesn't eat 6 meals a day, doesn't do squats, doesn't do any of the typical gym bullshit you read everywhere. He lifts 2 hours a day, 6 days a week (overtraining is most likely complete bullshit too).
Genetics clearly have a massive influence, and just telling a fat guy to eat less is probably not going to make a lick of difference.
You might be thinking 'your cholesterol must be high', got it checked last week and it's:
LDL 2.2 nmol\L (the 'bad' one, reference range is <3.4)
HDL 2.3 nmol\L (the 'good' one, ref range is 0.9-2.2)
Giving me a total chol\HDL ratio of 2.1 which is fucken excellent. Somehow my good cholesterol is higher than my bad cholesterol.
The downside to my skinny genes is it's bloody hard to put on any muscle, I went to the gym for a year and only gained 2kg even though I was squatting and benching way above my body weight. My left knee sounds like velcro now too which is great.
My best mate put on 10kg of lean muscle in 8 months using ONE dumbell. Guy doesn't even have a bench, he lies on the floor and presses with one arm at a time. He doesn't take protein, doesn't eat 6 meals a day, doesn't do squats, doesn't do any of the typical gym bullshit you read everywhere. He lifts 2 hours a day, 6 days a week (overtraining is most likely complete bullshit too).
Genetics clearly have a massive influence, and just telling a fat guy to eat less is probably not going to make a lick of difference.
Don't feel like digging more stuff up for you right now as far as the last statement goes or to counter it but try and keep in mind the source of information from both sides. That guy is pretty anti-veg since he completely failed at raw/veganism. Some info about the guy who probably wrote that article: Tom Billings: dietary failure
It's not that simple. A lot of farmed salmon is unacceptably high in Organochlorines (e.g. PCBs).
Global Assessment of Organic Contaminants in Farmed Salmon (I have the full journal article if anyone is interested)
Again, not necessarily. That's according to the lipid hypothesis, which is disputable.
Elsevier
The fat content of milk is very dependant on the animal's diet. Grass-fed beef produces different (and some say healthier) milk than corn-fed. Also, the demonisation of saturated fats is based on a huge oversimplification. There are a many different saturated fatty acids, which all affect the body differently.
It's interesting how many people in this thread equate diet with weight loss. Not sure if that's because you've all been slinging the berriez for too long, or something that's embedded in the western psyche. What you is about far more than your waist measurement.
That's not true at all anymore. I'm unsure about Atkins original intention but low-carbing your whole life for health is becoming more and more mainstream.
What do you guys classify as healthy proteins? Is meat completely to abandon?
I've always contemplated going vegetarian because both heart disease and cancer are on my dad's side of the family (and they're all big time meat eaters)... but at the same time I also don't want to look like a wimp and want to keep some muscle and strength.
Do you think taking a protein/berry smoothie every day healthier/better than eating a lean piece of organic chicken/fish?
I've always contemplated going vegetarian because both heart disease and cancer are on my dad's side of the family (and they're all big time meat eaters)... but at the same time I also don't want to look like a wimp and want to keep some muscle and strength.
Do you think taking a protein/berry smoothie every day healthier/better than eating a lean piece of organic chicken/fish?
Here's the thing about nutrition - it's always changing. A new study comes out that says "insert food here" is good and not a year later another study comes out to say the food is actually harmful. When it all comes down to it, eat a variety of meats, seafood, and other protein sources and you'll be fine.
FYI, Meat doesn't cause heart disease. A lack of physical activity and poor diet (lots of processed foods) generally are the two culprits.