Much frustration. Just focus on what you can change in your own life. Drive your prius, make sure your up to date on your vaccination schedules, and praise your flags as much as possible.
Climate change? do you believe it?
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Much frustration. Just focus on what you can change in your own life. Drive your prius, make sure your up to date on your vaccination schedules, and praise your flags as much as possible.
arty-smiley-004:I have had this argument so many times, usually with people that believe that world was created in 7 days. YES the world is getting warmer. That is a measurement. Something that you can see and test and well.... measure. Changes in temperature will change the climate... DUH.
The real question is .... is this a good thing or a bad thing? Wait, it has to be a bad thing, change is BAD!! Really? Yeah some parts of the world get hotter and some get wetter and some get drier. Is this good or bad? Ask Canada, I think they will say it is good. More arable land, the north west passage is open, increased CO2 concentration increases the growth rate of our crops.
Oh but it is HOT and we do not survive well in the HOT... really? We are not mice, we have brains that can develop innovations to allow us to survive. Plus we have already invented a thing called Air Conditioning.
The Sky Is FALLING !!! Yeah maybe not. We could have one major volcano blow and throw enough dust in the air that a cooling trend starts and wait until you hear the hue and cry then.
In 1978 I took an environmental science class (yes I am old) and they warned of mass starvation because of the population explosion, they also were not sure if the world was going to get colder or warmer. My opinion is that we do not know. We think we know, we can make calculated predictions, but we do not know... is this good or bad. Someone is going to point out all of the storms, but for every wet place that went dry there is a dry place that went wet. For every place that sees more storms there is a place that sees less. The only difference is the media does not cover it.
Accept that you do not know, if it makes you feel better do your part, otherwise just live your life.
The real question is .... is this a good thing or a bad thing? Wait, it has to be a bad thing, change is BAD!! Really? Yeah some parts of the world get hotter and some get wetter and some get drier. Is this good or bad? Ask Canada, I think they will say it is good. More arable land, the north west passage is open, increased CO2 concentration increases the growth rate of our crops.
Oh but it is HOT and we do not survive well in the HOT... really? We are not mice, we have brains that can develop innovations to allow us to survive. Plus we have already invented a thing called Air Conditioning.
The Sky Is FALLING !!! Yeah maybe not. We could have one major volcano blow and throw enough dust in the air that a cooling trend starts and wait until you hear the hue and cry then.
In 1978 I took an environmental science class (yes I am old) and they warned of mass starvation because of the population explosion, they also were not sure if the world was going to get colder or warmer. My opinion is that we do not know. We think we know, we can make calculated predictions, but we do not know... is this good or bad. Someone is going to point out all of the storms, but for every wet place that went dry there is a dry place that went wet. For every place that sees more storms there is a place that sees less. The only difference is the media does not cover it.
Accept that you do not know, if it makes you feel better do your part, otherwise just live your life.
I'd love to see the source of your evidence showing proof of this claim. Why? Well, for starters...
I always knew the French were dense
Ignoramus here- how the hell can they prove atmospheric co2 levels from 450,000 years ago?
"Prove" is a strong word, but one thing they do is obtain ice from as far down as 2 miles deep into the ice sheet layers and then examine the old air bubbles and such contained in it.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHzADl-XID8]CO2 in the Ice Core Record - YouTube[/ame]
Already time for a 2014 AGW thread? I guess it was inevitable.
Many of you will no doubt remember that I've always sided with Moxie and the AGW-is-happening crowd here, despite my libertarian leanings that would usually set me against that line of thought.
Nowadays I'm more on the fence. This year's record Ice on both poles is quite an eye-opening factoid. Although not proof, I certainly recall Algore and others saying that the north pole could be ...ICE FREE... by now, and coverage this year was higher than at any time in my life. Not good for his argument.
However, the real reason for my change of heart is me realizing how politicized this has all become.
The money and media influence is certainly on the side of the AGW crowd, so it doesn't surprise me that whenever some evidence of a temperature chart fakery comes out, pro-AGW news gets all the coverage. I'm not really moved by that, but sometimes overblown hype sessions like these really stand out:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAz7jyG0qfw]Global Warming Propaganda 10-10 No Pressure - YouTube[/ame]
That shit is sickening to my stomach. What kind of a lunatic would make this?! Certainly no one familiar with logic nor integrity.
Seriously, what is the point in producing such indoctrination sessions with high scare tactics in them if you've got truth on your side?
:angryfire:
Many of you will no doubt remember that I've always sided with Moxie and the AGW-is-happening crowd here, despite my libertarian leanings that would usually set me against that line of thought.
Nowadays I'm more on the fence. This year's record Ice on both poles is quite an eye-opening factoid. Although not proof, I certainly recall Algore and others saying that the north pole could be ...ICE FREE... by now, and coverage this year was higher than at any time in my life. Not good for his argument.
However, the real reason for my change of heart is me realizing how politicized this has all become.
The money and media influence is certainly on the side of the AGW crowd, so it doesn't surprise me that whenever some evidence of a temperature chart fakery comes out, pro-AGW news gets all the coverage. I'm not really moved by that, but sometimes overblown hype sessions like these really stand out:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAz7jyG0qfw]Global Warming Propaganda 10-10 No Pressure - YouTube[/ame]
That shit is sickening to my stomach. What kind of a lunatic would make this?! Certainly no one familiar with logic nor integrity.
Seriously, what is the point in producing such indoctrination sessions with high scare tactics in them if you've got truth on your side?
:angryfire:
This actually fits in with their argument, the more green house gases released the wider range of temperature flux you will see. We will see extreme highs and extreme lows.
I am on the fence also, I am not sold that HUMANS are the reason for these sudden changes or if its just the earths natural changes. I do support alternative energy tho, not because I want things to be "green" but to rape the oil and energy industry. I believe with advances in hydrogen technology and battery technology that each individual house and business can become energy independent. Something big energy doesnt want.
Seriously, you are a idiot. Perhaps you would like to get Smallpox, Polio, Measles, Diphtheria, or Whooping cough?
Clearly all vaccines are just a cover up by the "overloads" that want to fill you with random chemicals. These so called diseases and the tens of millions of people they killed each year were just fake PR by the overloads to convince us to get vaccines. I mean have you ever met someone with Polio? I know I havn't. Shit is totally fake.
Thanks for the mention Luke, but I must say that I've given few personal opinions and never claimed to definitively know what is or is not going on.
This is the type of thing that makes me post, lol.
The reported amount for peak South Pole seasonal sea ice was a record positive, but for North Pole it was the fifth lowest ever.
Antarctica Sea Ice Hitting Record Highs | LiveScience
Arctic Sea Ice Peak Is 5th Lowest on Record | LiveScience
Nearly all of the Antartic sea ice melts yearly during their summer. So any record amount of sea ice there is something that formed relatively quickly, and then will be gone just as quickly.
The main concern in Antartica is with the large volume of land ice, which is still said to be decreasing overall.
Unlike sea ice, glaciers take many years to form. One extra cold month could potentially create a record amount of sea ice, but it would do little as far as restoring glaciers is concerned.
I may be "a idiot".
I don't deny any of the diseases you list.
What was that guys name who refused the polio vaccine? The one who who refused, and everyone died of polio, I can't remember - do you know it? Or maybe it was the guy who never got the smallpox vaccine because he didn't get the memo. Either way, the one person (or millions) in the U.S. who didn't get his vaccine - and everyone died as a result?
We hung those bastards, right?
Good. Let's hang anyone who refuses a flu shot. Fucking savages. No compliance no right to live - AMIRITE?
I may be a idiot, but I'm not afraid to force my beliefs on to others by force. 'Merica!
She's a scientist. :smokin:
She's actually an Alchemist- she managed to turn Brown into Gold. :banana_sml:
Where do you come up with this stuff? There is no law that says you are forced to get a vaccine by penalty of death or any penalty for that matter. There never was this law and there never will be.
Also do you even know how the idea of a vaccine works? Everyone did not die Polio like you said because the majority already had a the vaccine. The reason it worked is because the vast majority of people were vaccinated. So the few people like you hopefully did not come in contact with the disease because of the people that did get the vaccine. The "one or millions" were saved by the hundreds of millions that did get it.
Is Fox News/Alex Jones telling you that Obama Care is going to force vaccinations on you? About how the CDC is putting together SWAT teams to come break down your door and force a flu shot on you every flu season? I bet we will have anti-vaccine drones that will fly over and scan for people like you. Then the black van will drive up and shoot you with a vaccine dart if you look like good breeding stock. The ugly ones will just be publicly hanged in the square for all to see to set the example.
You should plan out what third world country you are going to move to take shelter. Shits about to go down here and you will be much safer there. Also 3rd world people never get vaccines so you will all be really safe together.
Why wouldn't the government force vaccinations? With everyone collectively responsible for everyone else's healthcare now, and the public health threat posed by non-vaccinated people, would you really be surprised if the government forced the issue? Public schools require them, not like it would be much of a stretch to be honest.
Lots of employers already do this.
I'm not anti-vaccine, but you make this shit sound far fetched for some reason.