Climate change? do you believe it?
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I'm definitely going to agree with this, considering that industrialization started after 1950. But man adapts to survive, first to travel we invented cars, then when cars became gaz guzzlers we came up with electric versions.
Eventually man shall *have to* adapt
In my opinion the one's with their heads up their asses are the people that believe this is actually a scientific debate and not an ideological one.
The "debate" is being controlled by the same people that bring you such gems of wisdom as.
It's all connected, it's all reinforced by a leftist dominated media and academia.
If you work for a living you have to go along with all of it or risk losing your job, that's what I (usually) love about this forum and most of the people that post here, being economically self sufficient usually has a liberating effect from shitlib indoctrination.
But apparently not everyone has embraced that opportunity with both hands yet. Probably because some people here still haven't shed the 9-5 mentality quite yet.
Anyway that's my 2 cents.
The "debate" is being controlled by the same people that bring you such gems of wisdom as.
- Men and women are equal.
- Race is just a social construct.
- Islam is a religion of peace.
- Diversity is a strength.
- Socialism and/or communism will work this time, we just didn't have the right people last time.
- White people are responsible for all the ills of the world, like you know, racism, sexism, homophobia, wealth inequality and of course global warming.
It's all connected, it's all reinforced by a leftist dominated media and academia.
If you work for a living you have to go along with all of it or risk losing your job, that's what I (usually) love about this forum and most of the people that post here, being economically self sufficient usually has a liberating effect from shitlib indoctrination.
But apparently not everyone has embraced that opportunity with both hands yet. Probably because some people here still haven't shed the 9-5 mentality quite yet.
Anyway that's my 2 cents.
The problem is the damage will be done, New York will have to have a wall built around it to keep the ocean out. You can call that adapting I guess.
Anybody who tries argue about how everyone alive can fit here or there, duh there is tons of space but that's not the problem. Fresh water, food, energy. Those are the problems. State here in the US are all ready butting head with each other fighting over water sources, texas has started recycling it's urine in places. A lot of the water around the world is taken from deep underground and while rain in the past would filter back into it, it does so a lot less now and or it's being used up faster than it's being replenished. In some more arid countries it might not be getting replenished at all. There are tons of countries that don't have enough food or water, and pretty much the whole world is fighting over energy sources. Over population is a problem, pending any life changing breakthroughs in recycling, clean energy or food production we are going to be feeling the pain.
And there's the key. We always have technological breakthroughs that solve our problems. We have more fossil fuel reserves now than when I was a kid. How is that possible if we've been using them all up? Every single projection of when we would run out of fossil fuels has proven to be 100% wrong. Not some of the projections, not even most of the projections. All of them. Every single one. But they're right this time, I can feel it. Plus I read about in on Huffington Post...
There is no scientific debate. It's been proven over and over, and nearly 99% of all climate scientists believe that global warming is real, and humans significantly contribute to it.
Anyone who doesn't 'believe' it can go fuck himself/herself, as it's equivalent to saying "I work in a fucking office all day and know nothing about anything yet I watched this shitty Youtube video and I can tell you how all the scientists are wrong and I'm right"
Pretty much the same thing with evolution. But not believing in evolution is even more retarded.
Anyone who doesn't 'believe' it can go fuck himself/herself, as it's equivalent to saying "I work in a fucking office all day and know nothing about anything yet I watched this shitty Youtube video and I can tell you how all the scientists are wrong and I'm right"
Pretty much the same thing with evolution. But not believing in evolution is even more retarded.
This is a variation on Pascal's Wager. It's not very well thought out. That said, I think there is way too much consensus in the scientific community to deny global warming or climate change or whatever you want to call it.
If you want to be taken seriously you guys have to stop acting like the argument revolves around whether or not there is climate change. There always has been, and always will be climate change. I don't think anybody denies that, so it's funny when I see that strawman floated out there in every single discussion on the climate. Just stop.
The climate has been changing since the beginning of time. The Industrial Revolution isn't what warmed up the earth after the ice age, is it?
The only argument is how much do humans contribute, and on that there is no consensus in the scientific community. Estimates range from "some effect" to "OMG WE ALL GONE DIE BY 2020!!"
I remember in the 80's we were going to run out of fossil fuels by 2000, acid rain was going to kill all of our crops and half the population was going to die off in 25 years. Yeah, ok. Now you expect these same alarmist to be taken seriously?
Just out of curiosity, since the average global temperature has fluctuated so wildly since the beginning of time, what exactly is the "right temperature"? Nobody ever wants to answer this question, but if we're going to concern ourselves with global warming, surely there is an ideal that we're looking to achieve...so what is it?
The correct temperature is that at which the peak number of people can be falsely alarmed of impending catastrophe to allow for maximum wealth redistribution from their hands to that of academia and the state.
Yes, anybody who believes something very reasonable like that scientists are the most qualified to speak on scienc-y things, is clearly an extremist who believes that we are going to melt and die by 2020. It is, in fact, considered consensus among scientists that manmade climate change exists. Disagree if you want; you're wrong. Let me cite a source: Climate Change: Consensus. NASA seems to believe that 97% of scientists believe that humans have affected climate to a significant degree. I'll weigh my options, believe your un-cited assertion or believe NASA's probably survey-based number that seems to consider the opinion consensus. Have you read any of the papers of the 3% so that you can actually say something smart as refutation of the 97%?
EDIT (I got mean so I removed some text and re-wrote): I'm not going to address your use of fallacies. I think you don't know what strawman is though. RE: ideal temperatures, that is a ridiculous question.
There's that confirmation of boganism I was looking for.
Try learning a thing or two about the genetic history of 'races' and give yourself an uppercut.
Please don't tell me you voted for Abbott.
You are one dumb, non-reading motherfucker.
Didn't I just fucking say that nobody denies climate change exists, and that humans have an effect on the climate. Wasn't that the whole point of that big block of my text that you just quoted?
Once again, the only point of contention is HOW FUCKING MUCH is due to human activity, and whether or not it's as bad as the scientists whose livelihood depends on grant money to study climate change, say it is.
You can't logically say that humans are 90% responsible (or whatever number you want to use) for climate change because vehicle emissions didn't bring us out of the ice age. The climate has literally never stopped changing. Ever. Now all of a sudden you think that without human impact on the climate there would be no change? All of a sudden, for the first time in history? Really?
