Media gives almost no attention at all to any of this stuff- unless you think the Cato Institute and reason mag, and bloggers like Radley Balko and Injustice Everywhere have anywhere near the reach of mainstream media.
Good thing this guy wasn't black...
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Media gives almost no attention at all to any of this stuff- unless you think the Cato Institute and reason mag, and bloggers like Radley Balko and Injustice Everywhere have anywhere near the reach of mainstream media.
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Imagine if there was NOT cameras filming. . .
they would have got off 100% free.
Police are sometimes the biggest gang and thugs on the streets.
they would have got off 100% free.
Police are sometimes the biggest gang and thugs on the streets.
They STILL might get away with it. (or with not much)
The world of capitalism has very little respect for people in the lowest classes, those that are not contributing to the economy or those that are taking more than they give back. The U.S. is one country in the world where you DON'T want to be homeless.
How much can you resist when your arm has been broken and your chest has literally been crushed?
Stockholm Syndrome much?
Yeah, somebody has to draw those chalk lines after the murder has already been committed..
I saw the video and I felt SO BAD for the guy when he started asking for his dad. ALMOST cried. It's unbelievable the amount of torment that he went through. Thank god it's on tape, otherwise we'd have a story that only a handful of individuals would read something titled along the lines of: drugged man extremely violent with officers dies of gunshot wounds. If they're shady enough to cause him to die by beating his chest in, then they'd do more shady shit.
But I must ask this question, how are they trained to handle the situation otherwise? To me, this is similar to the Rodney King beating but much, much worse. An excessive amount of force was used but the officers got acquitted on the charges [citation needed] since he never complied. Are they trained to only beat the person until they comply? I'm not advocating their behavior. TO me, it sounds like he was unable to put his hands behind his back after they caved his chest in and kept pleading with the officers that he couldn't breathe, which could contribute toward "resisting." They should have did as much as they could until more officers arrived, of course. But under the eyes of the law? Of what the police can "get away" with?
Oh yeah, nice whining in the title of the OP.
But I must ask this question, how are they trained to handle the situation otherwise? To me, this is similar to the Rodney King beating but much, much worse. An excessive amount of force was used but the officers got acquitted on the charges [citation needed] since he never complied. Are they trained to only beat the person until they comply? I'm not advocating their behavior. TO me, it sounds like he was unable to put his hands behind his back after they caved his chest in and kept pleading with the officers that he couldn't breathe, which could contribute toward "resisting." They should have did as much as they could until more officers arrived, of course. But under the eyes of the law? Of what the police can "get away" with?
Oh yeah, nice whining in the title of the OP.
I said they went to far. But remember this is in The OC - this is why it is a super safe place to live. The residents do not want to see what happens, they just want it out of their lives.
They are not really that conservative. I was swayed by their coverage, watching the video made me understand that they are far from correct - John's way too sensationalistic.
That's not how it works. They get a lot of lee way and you cannot hold the mentally ill. The US Supreme Court changed that decades ago. Now they roam the streets without accountability, making life shit for whomever they want.
There are multiple checks and balances in the US. Not a perfect system but better than many countries without multiple law enforcement agencies overseeing the others. If there weren't this would happen much more often.
Every culture reads behavior differently. Thomas was behaving like an asshole. I mentioned earlier they went too far, yeah, that is obvious. But who in LA does not know that if are an ass to OC cops you are not going to have a problem. Especially a homeless guy in Fullerton. Once again, this is why The OC streets are safe. The Cops are rough on all outsiders.
Agreed.
The cops had a report that he was breaking into cars. They found him with mail and papers that did not belong to him. Is that justification - No. But it is what it is.
If Cops in The OC tell you to do something, you do it - you do not act like a cocky ass. When you do, you expect a beatdown. Do I agree with this? No. But once again, it is what it is and OC residents like it that way.
You are correct. But the Supreme Court jacked that up and now we have what we have - crazy unaccountable homeless everywhere - well not too many in the OC - and now you know why.
In San Francisco they literally have water trucks wash down the streets every morning to wash away the shit and urine - that's a true story - every freaking day - just so the homeless can shit wherever they want.
So everyone wants to commit crime but the only reason they don't is because they are afraid of police beatdowns? Some of the safest places are areas where there are barely any police at all.
According to police misconduct statistics, cities like New Orleans and Atlanta are consistently on the top and these places also have high crime rates.
I'd be curious as to what percent of OC residents really like it that way.
In Fullerton, protests over police brutality turn political - Los Angeles Times
Libertarians are using Kelly Thomas' death to take on their political foes and the police union.
Gathering at what has become a regular protest of the Fullerton police confrontation that left a homeless man dead, activist Frank Alonzo hoisted aloft a flag with a snake curled under the slogan "Don't Tread on Me."
He and others were in front of the Fullerton police station to demand action against the officers who they believe fatally beat Kelly Thomas. But for some there was an underlying political message that went well beyond police brutality.
"Here's the problem: Those cops are symptoms of a disease, and the disease is big government — arrogant, self-serving big government. It all starts at the top," said Alonzo, Orange County coordinator of Campaign for Liberty, a group founded by Republican congressman and presidential candidate Ron Paul.
Thomas' death has become a rallying cry in the northern Orange County city and beyond, roiling local politics and creating a movement known to some as "Kelly's Army."
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBS7LsqJBY0]Kelly's Army Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq6Jn_h4NUU]Nine Inch Nails "I'm Afraid Of Americans" (David Bowie cover) Live @ Toronto 2009 - YouTube[/ame]
Funny thought, but no. That is not what I said. If you are from an outside area they watch you more closely. I can give countless examples. I used to have a car registered at my office and I lived in Brea (right next to fullerton) I was stopped all of the time for no reason, especially 12am-4am. Changed the registration to my home address, never stopped again, even at those times.
Outsiders rolled in to a bank I was working at - near a mall even that attracts outsiders. Cops came in and said they were watching the guys in the car because of the out of town characteristics, sure enough they were passing bad checks. And yes, one of the cops involved was one the Police force had hired after his involvement with Rodney King.
Yes indeed. A typical citizen rarely encounters a cop in the OC or any number of other areas like it. Walnut Creek, Danville, Moraga, The West Side of LA - nicer areas appear cop free, but cause a problem and you will have a dozen cops on you because they have nothing else to do.
First off, have you ever had to deal with the crap elements of society on a regular basis? I do not know how they do it. Then they get jaded and yes, the cops become as bad as the criminals.
I think you would be surprised. People in these areas do not like crap and they do like high property values and safe streets. Of course they are outraged over what the cops have done, the cops went too far, we all know that. The cops are supposed to take the person in with matched levels of force or at a max one step higher - I am not justifying this. At the same time, the people want their safe streets etc. In the end, except in such blatant cases as this, the people in the OC will side with the cops.
Sure people are outraged because of how far out of bounds the cops were on this one. They cant go killing people or beating them to this extent. But you must also know that "kelly's Army" and Libertarians and Ron Paul groups are not the majority.Once again,. I am not arguing that it was right. I am pointing out that the people of the area value their status quo more than Kelly Thomas.
"Daddy, Daddy" = Loss for fucking words, 4 fucking cops cant take down a skinny homeless guy, they enjoyed every fucking minute
There is a Jail in the city they did this, perfect!! Drop the soap bitches!!
There is a Jail in the city they did this, perfect!! Drop the soap bitches!!
Heard the Dad again today on KFI in LA. Wonder if he was their for the kid ever? He is enjoying the spotlight now - he actually ended an interview giving the stations tagline - "This is KFI More stimulating Talk Radio" - he actually said that as if he were enjoying the attention - are we to really believe and respect this guy?
How is the dad relevant?
The guy that was beat to death is relevant.
The cops that beat him to death are relevant.
The victims father - not relevant.
Maybe the fact that he's an uncaring piece-o-crap had something to do with his son being homeless. Maybe....
All who become homeless because of shitty parenting are deserving of a death beating.
Nah, all UG is saying is who gives a fuck what his father has to say (except for radio executives $). Anyone paying attention to him is just ad fodder.
Its been established the cops went too far. They had a history with Thomas, he was not ever beaten before, this time he got beaten. The cops went too far. We know this.
But in stories like this, the backstory is just as relevant. The father who did not take charge with his schizophrenic son and yet led the charge after the death. What's the story there? The kid yelling for his father as he died, you do not think there are some issues there also? Dad never being there maybe? or Maybe even that Dad always bailed him out of crap he got himself into by being a jackass to cops and living the "homeless life".
When the story first broke the Dad would talk of how sometimes he would find Kelly sleeping on the driveway in the morning. Really? What did you do about it dad?
Now we have a Dad that is a part of the story - by his choice - becoming a celebrity. Who knows maybe he will be the next John Walsh or whatever - these Dad's of crime victims and sometimes Moms seem to leverage it into a job one way or another.
Even though we do not know, it is entirely possible given recent actions.