Life in Occupied Palestine

[Hurr-Durr]

Man oh man...the more extreme/blanket statements I hear from people, the more ignorant I think they are.

It's such a complex issue and the (American) media is so heavily biased that Americans fail to get all the FACTS. I'm not saying opinions, I'm saying FACTS. American media knows that even the slightest criticism of Israel will be met with allegations of "Anti-Semitism."

That is why I recommend to anyone who wants to get a broad view of the FACTS of the world we live in, to read MULTIPLE sources and start looking for DISPROVING evidence. Because humans are programmed to look for information that fits their preconceived notions/biases.

For example, if you want to know more about what's really going on in Israel/Gaza/Palestine, you must venture beyond Fox News or CNN. You must try to find neutral sources such as (Irish Times) and opposite sources such as (Iran's national news) and (China's national news) - not because I like the Irish or Iranians or Chinese...but because I think they are not held hostage the same biases that Americans have and that MIGHT allow them to present the facts better. And my goal is to listen to every opinion, and then form a judgement.

 

[Hurr-Durr]

One does not have to pick a certain side to agree on the following facts:

Israel has a disproportionate amount of force, funding, technology and defense, compared to her adversary. It also has the unconditional backing of the strongest superpower in the world.

Israel has had, and continues to have a double standard against the Palestinians (checkpoints, building illegal settlements, indefinite detentions of Palestine political prisoners, rationing even the basic necessities of life such as water).

Hamas is an evil, terrorist group and quite a stupid one at that. Their silly impotent rockets only piss off the neo-cons of Israel and incite anger and justification about a counter attack. This is when your schools, hospitals and power plants get bombed in retaliation.

Yes Palestinians voted for Hamas, but that does not mean that all Palestinians agree with every single action Hamas takes?

How many US citizens voted for Bush? Did they all support the Iraqi/Afghan civilians being killed? How Americans supported water-boarding? How many support Gitmo? Did they support Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse? Would a certain American civilian accept the punishment for the crimes committed by his government?

IMO, Israel should absolutely have the right to defend itself from rocket attacks (which it does very well, thanks for Iron Dome), but they must also use their force with restraint. They must not attack schools, hospitals & power plants.

Hamas loses its moral ground when it starts to bomb innocent civilians and threatens to entirely wipe out its neighbor, and Israel loses its moral ground when they start bombing UN Shelters, hospitals, press and power plants.

I think the only way for the discontent and hostilities to end is when Israel grants Palestinians equal footing, equal rights/responsibility and ends the blockade. I also think violence will NEVER solve this problem. The only way it will be achieved will be the same way Martin Luther & Gandhi achieved it - peaceful, non-violent resistance.

Martin Luther said it best:

I am more convinced than ever before that the method of nonviolent resistance is the most potent weapon available to oppressed people in their struggle for justice and human dignity.

 

[Tony71]

One does not have to pick a certain side to agree on the following facts:

Israel has a disproportionate amount of force, funding, technology and defense, compared to her adversary. It also has the unconditional backing of the strongest superpower in the world.

Israel has had, and continues to have a double standard against the Palestinians (checkpoints, building illegal settlements, indefinite detentions of Palestine political prisoners, rationing even the basic necessities of life such as water).

Hamas is an evil, terrorist group and quite a stupid one at that. Their silly impotent rockets only piss off the neo-cons of Israel and incite anger and justification about a counter attack. This is when your schools, hospitals and power plants get bombed in retaliation.

Yes Palestinians voted for Hamas, but that does not mean that all Palestinians agree with every single action Hamas takes?

How many US citizens voted for Bush? Did they all support the Iraqi/Afghan civilians being killed? How Americans supported water-boarding? How many support Gitmo? Did they support Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse? Would a certain American civilian accept the punishment for the crimes committed by his government?

IMO, Israel should absolutely have the right to defend itself from rocket attacks (which it does very well, thanks for Iron Dome), but they must also use their force with restraint. They must not attack schools, hospitals & power plants.

Hamas loses its moral ground when it starts to bomb innocent civilians and threatens to entirely wipe out its neighbor, and Israel loses its moral ground when they start bombing UN Shelters, hospitals, press and power plants.

I think the only way for the discontent and hostilities to end is when Israel grants Palestinians equal footing, equal rights/responsibility and ends the blockade. I also think violence will NEVER solve this problem. The only way it will be achieved will be the same way Martin Luther & Gandhi achieved it - peaceful, non-violent resistance.

Martin Luther said it best:

i should read iran national news on perspective on the israel/gaza situation? thats like asking to read the kkk news letter on the holocaust.. are you fucking retarded?

 

[Hurr-Durr]

i should read iran national news on perspective on the israel/gaza situation? thats like asking to read the kkk news letter on the holocaust.. are you fucking retarded?

I think you should read all sources (both biased and unbiased ones) because they sometimes have info/evidence that others don't. My point is - don't restrict yourself to simply one source, and think independently.

 

[bluechinagroup]

I think the only way for the discontent and hostilities to end is when Israel grants Palestinians equal footing, equal rights/responsibility and ends the blockade. I also think violence will NEVER solve this problem.

I have a friend who is Jewish who also thinks that Palestinians should be given equal rights/responsibility, including full Israeli citizenship. He essentially favors a one state solution over a two state solution to this conflict.

 

[nickster]

I think you should read all sources (both biased and unbiased ones) because they sometimes have info/evidence that others don't. My point is - don't restrict yourself to simply one source, and think independently.

I wont go through each of your points one by one as they are so far off the mark that it would take me too long to correct each one. However I will pick you up on 2 points.

1) Irish times = not neutral at all, totally biased. In fact being Irish I can tell you that the majority of Ireland and its news sources is very anti-Israel and always has been and a massive amount of the population it very very anti-semitic (go look at the history). Yes the Irish papers do allow some articles with a differing viewpoint, however they are very few and far between. This is one such article Seanad's silent on Syria but Israel's there for the kicking - Independent.ie pretty interesting read.

Point being you can pick a source as being unbiased if it fits your viewpoint, but it really doesn't make it so.

2) It is a MASSIVE mistake to say that Hamas are stupid. If you think "Their silly impotent rockets only piss off the neo-cons of Israel and incite anger and justification about a counter attack. This is when your schools, hospitals and power plants get bombed in retaliation." is what is really happening then you are sorely mistaken.

Hamas are WINNING the war they are engaging, that is a war of public opinion. Their strategy is totally sound and Israel and all of you people are falling right into their hands.

Do you think Hamas give a shit that their schools, hospitals and power plants are being blown up? Let me make it super clear, Hamas WANT Israel to kill Palestinian children and decimate their civilian buildings, its their strategy, its their ONLY way of winning their war. They are not stupid at all. This is not one side lobbing ineffectual rockets at the other just hoping that one might hit. It is one side shooting missiles with the knowledge that the other side will retaliate and blows up more children so the pictures can be paraded on the news and social media. This is what they want. And when that picture gets shown and shared it SPURS THEM ON as they are in effect winning in the only way that its possible to win, public opinion and international pressure.

Why the hell do you think they are rejecting ceasefires again and again? Is it because they are winning the actual ground war? Of course its not. Its because they are absolutely winning the war that THEY are actually waging.

If you want to try to help to stop the killing you need to be protesting both sides as A) it shows Israel that they are being isolated by public opinion and B) it will show Hamas that their strategy is not working and to stop using children so disgustingly for their own means.

 

[notwayne]

Hamas is a shitty rag tag organisation that have fired hundreds of rockets which have killed a grand total of 2 people

rockets that have killed nobody because there's technology that intercepts them. But that's not the point.

If you want to play moral high grounds, how about you consider the precedent arguing number of casualties would set. Here's some buzz word. Self Defense.

Most palestinians, gaza Strip inhabitants - whatever you want to call them. They probably don't care about Israel. Most Israelis probably don't care about the gaza strip. doesn't change the fact that there are terrorists whose proclaimed goal it is to eradicate the Jewish. negotiating with an enemy whose only goal is your death is kind of difficult.

a major part of your argument is to let Hamas continue trying to kill all Jews because they fail hard at it. I'll let that fly as soon as you tolerate the police not giving a fuck about that guy who's trying to kill you and your entire family because he orders weapons from the road runner Coyote.

 

[nickster]

There are no settlements in Gaza, but there is in the West Bank. I only watched the beginning of OP's video, but it seemed to indicate that it was also entirely or mostly about the West Bank.

I was talking about all settlements.

They did have in Gaza, but Israel pulled the setters out (many by their hair) to forward the peace process.

Fatah is the ruling party there, not Hamas. The elected President for Palestine is also from Fatah.

State of Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And right there is the rub, most people who are so virulently raging haven't got a clue about the background of the whole situation, they read headlines and look at pictures on social media and may occasionally glance at a single article or peruse through the odd wikipedia page missing salient points. Please do some proper research on this if you want to debate.

According to this, Canada has at least offered to take some for decades, though they will no longer. And for another quick example, Sweden has some.

Just look at the history and reality of palestinians trying to settle elsewhere and you will see that all of that sounds nice, but in reality no one wants them. Even in that article Canada is refusing to accept them.

Saudi Arabia to donate $1B to rebuild Gaza - USATODAY.com

And where did the money actually go? I can tell you. Where it was intended to go in the first place. Saudi Arabia, lol.

Religion in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

75.4% Jewish, 16.9% Muslim, 2.1% Christian, and 1.7% Druze, with the remaining 4.0% not classified by religion

These numbers are not based on religious beliefs but mainly on cultural backgrounds and religions people were born into.

Read this to understand Secularism in Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It is a mistake made in most Censuss, they are not clear enough. They have a box that said what religion are you and people tend to choose the one that they were born into and have affinity with. However if the Census had an initial question that said "Do you believe in God?" and then follow up with "if so what religion are you?" then you'd see the real numbers. The British Humanist Society (atheists) actually carried out an experiment similar to this here https://humanism.org.uk/campaigns/old-campaigns/census-2011/

Pretty interesting stuff, and shows that a lot of countries have skewed data due to simple miss-wording of their census questionnaire.

 

[Napolean]

Nick,

Growing up in iran, i was one of those fuckers that was brought up to chant death to america death to jews..

and even for a long time in america on aol i would go into jewish chatrooms and harass them..

one day i got into a arguement with this jewish guy who both commented on some israeli forum that aol had at the time. When you posted on the forum you could see there aol user name...

of course being a dick i instant messaged him and said something jew.. but he was polite and asked where i was from and finally we just started talking.. and at one time he said..

"why did you and your family come to america" and i told him the story of how we had to escape the regime/mullahs there and my parents wanted a better life for me and my brothers and sisters.. but that i hoped to go back one day but i couldnt because we escaped the country illegally..

he said thats to bad and he was excited to go visit israel and he hoped that one day too i would see iran agian..

I NEVER untill that moment truely realised how fucked up my country was.. here i was as an iranian BORN IN IRAN.. who family dates back to iran for 100 generations could not go back to my own country.. but both me and him could go to israel.. we would not be arrested.. we would not executed.. nothing..

it was as simple as can be..
IRAN - both of us would be killled and or arrested if we went to iran
ISRAEL - Both of us could go visit and have fun and as long we didnt mean harm to the country we could go to the beaches of tel eve...

The hizbollah bastards that destroyed my country and because of them my family had to leave my dear country are the same poeple who are trying to kill the jews IN THERE OWN COUNTRY.. hamas.. al aquida.. hizbollah.. isis.. there all led by a racist crazy idealogy of islam wanting to take over the world..

what saddens me is this americans who live the life of 100 percent agianst islamic rules.. want israel run over by bunch of islamic fanatics.. so that they are forced to live under islamic rules.. bitch.. before you support hamas.. live your life under al queda run country for 1 month and tell me how long you last before they cutt your head off..

I didn't respond to your last post because I seriously thought you were either trolling or just ignorant, but this post kind of explains everything now.

You're misjudging/misreading a lot of our opinions on here, but based on your background I can understandable why.

My posts are not in support of any specific group, its my opinion that the way things are being handled could be handled very differently and in a way that doesn't involve killing thousands of innocent people.

If israel tried at all to make life bearable in palestine, maybe they could get palestinians to cooperate with them and notify them of hamas activities, similar to how the u.s conducts its war on drugs. As heavy handed as that is, at least the u.s isn't carpet bombing an entire subdivision because there is a meth lab somewhere in it. This is just taking it down a notch, there are even better ways still.

Its obvious that violence is not the preferred course of action to the majority of the people in both israel and palestine. Its a small group of people fucking it up for everyone in that region.

In the grand scheme its all bullshit. There shouldn't be borders, period. Imaginary lines and where you live relative to them, shouldn't define who you are and what kind of "human rights" you're entitled to.

 

[seriously]

avatar33&kiopa, ok, sorry for calling your fucktard cunt and such, it's just piss me off when people sitting in the judge's chair away from the conflict, being played by the media and then speak without knowing the actual facts.
again, sorry.
Also, I didn't mean all the Muslims are idiots, if that was unclear I was talking about the terrorist organizations and all the Radical Muslims. Their IQ level is for another argument so lets drop it for now.

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To the one said Israel had only 2 dead civilians by Hammas rockets - SO? More than 3,000 rockets fired at Israel, are we to say we're sorry for being able to defend ourselves?
WATCH THIS VIDEO FROM YESTERDAY, ROCKETS TO TEL-AVIV FROM GAZA.
This is just a small demonstration, you saw that video? now think 14 years like that.
The trigger for this war, and it is a war don't be confused, is that Hammas started to target all of Israel - Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, Haifa etc.

Oh and of course tried to kidnap 3 kids but then killed them.
And since we mentioned the kidnapped kids, here is a kidnap attempt from 3 weeks ago. Saw it? now think 10's like that every year against Israelis.



Every rocket cause people to run to shelters within 15 seconds.
More than 3,000 rockets in 3 weeks.
This rockets are been fired at Israel FOR YEARS.
Would any country let its civilians to live this pathetic-unheard of life?

Are we suppose to let them fire all they can?
Would any other country would go through the headache of letting the
civilians know we gonna shoot at the location their at just so they can be saved? I think not.
Israel care for Palestinians more than Hammas care.

• Israel have people inside gaza, Palestinians that are helping us - they know where the bombs gonna fall and they let everyone know.
• Israel make phone calls, sms messages, radio and any other media available to warn the citizens to leave these places.
• At last, Israel gives another warning calls Roof-Knock, a smoke bomb which tells - you got a minute, run for your life. ( and by thus risking the terrorists would run as well.)
• When the air force spotting civilians, the attack is canceled. Watch this 20 secs example.
  • So how come civilians still die?
    WE CAN'T SEE INSIDE BUILDINGS. PLENTY OF ROCKETS ARE LAUNCHED FROM HOUSES, SCHOOLS, HOSPITALS ETC.
    If after all warning people are still inside of the buildings, what can we do?
    U.N. chief alarmed as rockets found in Gaza school - They found in just a couple of schools, how many really are there? how many hospitals? who to blame here - Hammas for putting children in danger or us for defending?

Please tell me the country that would do all that just to minimize the amount of deaths.
P.S - Israel has agreed to 3 cease-fire's so far but Hammas kept on launching rockets.

Are all Palestinians against Israel? NO. and Israel KNOW IT!
Hammas killed 20 Palestinians for protesting against them. do you see in on the news? of course not.

MUST WATCH -:music06:
Son of Hamas founder: Hamas tortures and kills Palestinian children, goal to target civilians
Hamas - Human Shield Confession
Terrorists shoot from Wafa Hospital in Gaza, IDF makes sure no civilians are inside before bombing
Bill Clinton to Indian TV: "Hamas' strategy is to have Gaza civilians killed"

Now I would like to talk about was should have happened and what happened in reality.
We left Gaza strip many years ago, Israelis has been thrown out of their homes so Palestinians would be able to live there.
They said it would be the Singapore of the middle east and everyone believed them.

We gave them Food, Water, Free electricity, Clothes, Cement and Concrete for building malls, hospitals schools etc. Medical supplies and the list goes on.

What have they done with all that?
What have they done with all the money received from other coutries and so-called human right organizations?

They build tunnels from Gaze to the middle of Israel settlements and cities.
The sole purpose was to go in, Kill Israelis, Kidnap them and bring Israel to it's knees.

• They have 10's of tunnels.
• 160 Kids died building those tunnels.
• They were gonna come out from ALL the tunnels together at the SAME TIME a few months from now.
• This is an example for Hammas forces coming out of tunnels and being bombed.

Again - these tunnels lead from GAZA to ISRAEL. Would you let tunnels from your enemy to within your country's cities? I think not.


This is getting long, and there is so much more to say regarding both sides. but the this is the main things -

1. Hammas and all other terror organization want to destroy Israel and kill all Jews (for a start - read last paragraph). There is no peace-talks for them. they would only agree to peace only so they can arm-up and build tunnels.
2. This is a PR game. Hammas know it can't win, therefore the more Palestinian casualties (women&children preffered) - the better. that's how he get everyone to hate Israel and make all these riots in Europe / USA and the rest of the world. Basically, Hammas already won. (were there so much or any riots at all when 160,000 civilians were killed & bombed with chemical bombs in Syria? NOPE.)
3. Israel is not against Palestinians, it's against Hammas. We try out best to avoid civilians being killed, but there's only so much we can do and we have to protect our people.
4. Hammas would rather have civilians dead than Israelis. That's (as stated before) is the sole purpose of these useless attacks on Israel.
5. The reason the war is not ending yet, is because:
   • Hammas still firing rockets at Israel
   • Israel haven't destroyed all the tunnels from Gaza to our territory yet.

And for last. The radical Muslims/Islam are against the western world & They control almost all of the Arab countries in the middle east - in a direct or indirect way.
Israel is the represent of the western world in the middle east so we take all the heat.
When they're done with us and have full control over the middle east, it will be you next. Europe, USA etc.


No other religion allows people to explode themselves in order to kill others who don't agree.
This radical Islam belong in the dark ages, and they want all of the world to be like them.

again, SOMETIMES I WISH ALL JEWS WERE DEAD AND THERE WOULD BE NO ISRAEL.
only them you would understand that you are next, and without Israel, you will loose this war.

This is from 2008. is it not true now as well?

 

[King.]

You're right. They're hiding rockets everywhere. Especially those damn UN shelters, they're filled with rockets. That single power plant Gaza had to generate most of its electricity? That was filled with rockets too. Palestinians now get an upgrade on their power cuts from 20 hours a day to 24 hours a day. You know what, fuck it, Israel should just start leveling entire neighborhoods. Oh wait...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCGOUEO-V6Y"]Timelapse Shows Neighbourhood In Gaza Being Flattened - YouTube[/ame]

 

[King.]

Let's not forget the beach. TONS of rockets scattered all over the wide open beach.

Can we blame this on Hamas too?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVmbuRexhEY]Israeli Strike Kills 4 Palestinian Children Playing Soccer on Gaza Beach - YouTube[/ame]

 

[zimok]

You're right. They're hiding rockets everywhere. Especially those damn UN shelters, they're filled with rockets. That single power plant Gaza had to generate most of its electricity? That was filled with rockets too. Palestinians now get an upgrade on their power cuts from 20 hours a day to 24 hours a day. You know what, fuck it, Israel should just start leveling entire neighborhoods. Oh wait...

Timelapse Shows Neighbourhood In Gaza Being Flattened - YouTube

"Precision Strikes", so precise they'll annihilate the target even when missing the mark by 10 city blocks.

 

[(O_o)]

Helmet cam footage of Hamas soldiers tunneling out, going kill 2 (maybe 5? not clear) IDF soldiers and then tunneling back in. Pretty successful small team operation.

LOL @ IDF soldiers leaving the back gate open and unlocked? wtf.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NAhozItSq0]‫[/ame]

 

[(O_o)]

xtra post for more info & for the curious:

Blog post about attack: Nine out of 10 Israel

The gun they show at the end is the Israeli standard issue next gen weapon the Tavor they got from the soldiers.

The guy they beat to death, he was a target I believe and they were trying to kidnap him instead of kill him. not sure what happened there or why they chose to beat him to death instead.

 

[seriously]

You're right. They're hiding rockets everywhere. Especially those damn UN shelters, they're filled with rockets. That single power plant Gaza had to generate most of its electricity? That was filled with rockets too. Palestinians now get an upgrade on their power cuts from 20 hours a day to 24 hours a day. You know what, fuck it, Israel should just start leveling entire neighborhoods. Oh wait...

Timelapse Shows Neighbourhood In Gaza Being Flattened - YouTube

These houses on the video are empty, these are clearly charges by ground forces and not air strikes.

"Especially those damn UN shelters, they're filled with rockets."
The UN admitted to find rockets in them, what your point?

And the kids, I never said we don't make mistakes. We DO try to minimize the mistakes as much as we can, but this is WAR and to be honest - shit happens. (don't bash me for saying shit happens when talking about dead children, you know exactly what I mean)
I'll go a head and ask you again, from what country are you? would your country allow being fired at for 14 years without taking any action? would your country try to minimize the strikes / casualties as much as possible when it's clearly put in danger your own civilians? Be real and answer the question.

This is not from Gaza as said on the title. But it's from somewhere around Israel (Syria/Lebanon). Look at where they put the kids and the elder, they know we gonna shoot back at them, but that's what they want. (30 secs - what it) EDIT: after watching it again, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE TELL ME - What is the purpose of putting those terrified children next to the rocket launcher if not getting them killed or hoping Israel would spot them and abort the strike? PLEASE ANSWER.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHe_5DIKqi0"]This is not from Gaza as said on the title. But it's from somewhere around Israel (Syria/Lebanon). Look at where they put the kids and the elder, they know we gonna shoot back at them, but that's what they want. (30 secs - what it)[/ame]

Please stop judging by what you see on TV.

P.S Look at the kids of Gaza / Hammas and other radical Muslims. (I'M NOT SAYING IT'S THERE FAULT THEY ARE RAISED THAT WAY!! ITS THE RADICALS FAULT!!)

This video is from syria or Lebanon i'm not so sure. but it's the same just like Hammas. What kind of normal human being would let his son do that? are you for real bro?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFk1pq5YAnw&hd=1"]Kid fires RPG on a beach[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZTcYKwnehY&hd=1"]Hamas Video: Palestinian Child Soldiers for Allah[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuNQvPh8XKA&hd=1"]Hamas Spokersman admits in using Children as human Shields[/ame]


Forget about what's going on now. you are looking at the small picture King. seriously.

Understand that they don't care about Gaza, or the Palestinians. They want to own all of Israel and kill the Jews.


You seem to be very much into this conflict, which is nice giving you sit back in Europe or US watching the Muslims spreading lies all over the social networks/newpapers. I bet on 9/11 you weren't so pro-humanity did you? when US fucking waxed the middle east?

Lets forget about what's going on now, tell me what you think about these 2 videos.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9ReF4UUa4E&hd=1"]WHAT IS PALESTINE? WHO ARE THE PALESTINIANS?[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdtGOY8T5XE"]The Israeli Palestinian Conflict: 10 Myths Preventing Peace (Calev Myers)[/ame]

 

[nicmakaveli]

I NEVER untill that moment truely realised how fucked up my country was.. here i was as an iranian BORN IN IRAN.. who family dates back to iran for 100 generations could not go back to my own country.. but both me and him could go to israel.. we would not be arrested.. we would not executed.. nothing..

i could be wrong, but I believe, even if you have an american passport, being iranian born would probably make it more difficult for you to get a visa for israel than for him.

 

[Muad'dib]

Who knows? At least it wouldn't be sky ghosts or flags. Ideally they wouldn't be indoctrinated at all and would only be encouraged to think critically and logically.

I admire your idealism, but we both know that humans are neither critical nor logical. There's the group mind to consider and the fact that humans are inherently concerned about themselves first.

What? So because communists drank water, all water is bad. Got it.

Nice straw man.

The only way we'll get to an anarchist society is the moment people refuse to let authoritarian figures come in and "take the reins".

Again, idealistic at best considering how the human mind works.

You don't need ancient religious texts (most of which are filled with horrifying acts and commandments.) to teach morality. You teach people property rights and to associate with others peacefully. That's it.

There are horrifying acts in the Bible committed by godless people and there are acts of war committed the Israelites to protect themselves. There are also a lot of good things about morality (mostly in the New Testament) that it wouldn't hurt for people to know.

 

[Jon]

Oh you fucking guys.... You'll never get it...

Fact:
1- There will never be peace in the region. (least not during our lifetime)
2- None of your opinions matter.

So check it... Most of you have never been to the region right? I'll bet you never plan on visiting either. Nope!

Those that have been to the region... have you been to both sides? Gaza? Israel? Any of the other countries and cities? Nope!

So now all of you are going to wage an info war on one another because you've seen photos, read articles and social media updates, and seen some vids and watched a bunch of documentaries?? Does that make any of you experts on the subject? Nope!

Even the Israelis living there and fighting or just arguing, or the arabs living there and fighting and just arguing... do you think the conflict will cease to exist from sharing your opinions to other folks on your side and then to the other side to pick a fight?? Nope!

War sucks. It's become an actual form of business and for-profit industry as a whole, in this region and every region it shows it's nasty face. You are all civilians, therefore you are the fodder of the war, most all of you fuckers are sitting in your safe home expressing your disgust for the other guy over nonsense that really doesn't matter one fucking bit. You're just gonna piss yourself off and possibly one or two others across the internet. Does that solve anything? Nope!

Wars are started and strategically controlled by the few at the top that don't actually fight in them anymore. They may have at some point in their life previously. But they are the command. And most of the time, in our modern times, they are politicians (ugh! fuckin politicians suck...). It's not them on the front line. It's not them taking the bullets or rockets.

Hamas is just a group of faggots who run around trying to fuck shit up and get attention. Think of them as the annoying kid who irritates the crap out of everyone, even his siblings, and after a while, sure he plays the victim when people respond with force as they should, but EVENTUALLY everyone turns on him. This is the future of Hamas. Everyone will end up turning on them, just like many of their own people are doing so already. People are tired of saving face and sticking up for the annoying asshole.

I have Palestinian friends and associates in business too. Just the same with Israelis. I don't like to mix religion or politics into business. It doesn't work out well for anyone. But thankfully my business is not the war industry.

Bottom line, you are all hypocrites. As am I for all the times I used to condemn the actions going on over there. I hope all of my friends in the region stay safe. War sucks. People die. That's just how the game is played. Fuck it.

It's not our fight, therefore our opinions should never matter. Hell, even when our country, America, is overseas forcing Democracy and Freedom on other nations, I've learned from experience that it's just war, and people who want to fuck shit up will do so all they please. No one's opinion will count for shit. No one screaming and yelling will matter. It will go on in perpetuity until the side doing the fucking shit up either runs out of stuff to blow shit up with, or they are told by their master to quit fuckin around and go back home, or they themselves get fucked up because they are, after all, just a weak human themselves. It's just war guys.. nothing to get pissed about when you're far away or not in total control of the situation.

Kids die. Women die. Men die. Dogs die. Fish and birds die. Plants die. Everything just fuckin dies... you can't go around pointing fingers.. it's just war. During wars or "conflicts" aka smaller wars, shit gets blown the fuck up, gets shot the fuck up, and gets dead, the fuck up. (look ma! I'm on a roll here!)

It's a shitty position to have to express, but it's all the truth. I choose peace and humanity. Fuck religion. Fuck politics. Fuck war. Fuck your goddamn opinions. It all comes down to meaning shit.

So hey, not to be a Debbie Downer, but how's everyone's summer going? Mine is going fine!

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[Johnathan]

i could be wrong, but I believe, even if you have an american passport, being iranian born would probably make it more difficult for you to get a visa for israel than for him.

Do you even understand what he was trying to imply?

Israel should do what it has to do to protect itself. People can bad-mouth Israel all day but it isn't the Palestinians doing anything to stop radical Muslims, just the West and Israel.