Ron Paul in statistical tie for first in Iowa

Moxie said:
Your friends may be able to grow it for "cheap", but do you really think that the combined forces of Marlboro, Walmart and such wouldn't be able to do it for cheaper?
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I will guarantee you that if pot is legalized next year, Walmart will NOT sell it because it would destroy their image. If it's legalized it will still be seen as a drug. The best you could hope for is nationwide dispensaries, which you'll be paying premium price for.
 


SUP3RNOVA said:
I will guarantee you that if pot is legalized next year, Walmart will NOT sell it because it would destroy their image. If it's legalized it will still be seen as a drug. The best you could hope for is nationwide dispensaries, which you'll be paying premium price for.
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Walmart doesn't sell Playboy magazine either, but that type of content would also cost more if it was illegal.

Restriction to dispensaries is not most people's version of legalization, and especially not Ron Paul's. His version of alcohol legalization isn't the same as government has implemented it either.
 
Would you guys shut the FUCK up about Pot? This thread is about Paul actually getting some validation here, and the timing is Perfect.

Sup3r: You're wrong as usual. Just accept it and move on. Moar Supply reduces demand. Basic fucking economics, of which you have none.


Now back to the topic:

Paul is doing very well. VERY well. We all know that the PPP poll is not showing his full measure of support considering how much money he can raise versus the others and how stupid the others really look and vote. I do, in fact, think that he has a chance to win Iowa.

However, if he is the GOP clear frontrunner, then he's lost his element of surprise... We all know there is no way in hell the powers that be are going to let him waltz in and take Obama's job without another kind of fight. Ironically it's now totally legal for Obama to have him assassinated!

But seriously, I'm with leadsupplier on this point; they'll stop him some way or another. 18 Hookers all claiming to have his love child. A bullet to the head. A severe misinformation campaign. Some other new scandal we haven't seen before... The only sure fact here is that if RP wins Iowa, he's in for the biggest fight of his life and it WON'T be Obama.
 
papajohn56 said:
Apparently you don't know how caucus states work.
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Apparently you don't remember what happened last time everyone was masturbating all over Ron Paul. If I bothered to search, I could find an almost identical thread from the last time around.

Again, old people vote, young people don't. If you think the caucuses change that, you're insane. You're the one who loves polls, go read some polls on the age of voters at the caucuses and general election.
 
lukep said:
Sup3r: You're wrong as usual. Just accept it and move on. Moar Supply reduces demand. Basic fucking economics, of which you have none.
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Wrong like I was about RPs suits? Check out Ron Paul 2012 Official Campaign Website and report back to me. His own photographers secretly controlled by the media and taking pics at bad angles bro? Lunatic.

A low-risk drug like pot is easily accessible and affordable to everybody as is. There won't be an imaginary switch that's flipped and all of the sudden there's pot growing in everyone's front yard and we're smoking joints outside of the local pub. The government will step in/tax/regulate the hell out of a drug like pot. With legalization, production cost shoots way up. "In theory", sure it's common sense that more supply drives down prices. To understand certain scenarios sometimes you have to leave your desk chair and get out into the real world.

Paul is doing very well. VERY well. We all know that the PPP poll is not showing his full measure of support considering how much money he can raise versus the others and how stupid the others really look and vote. I do, in fact, think that he has a chance to win Iowa.
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Paul is doing VERY well with the crowd he did well with in 2008. It worked out for him, didn't it? I mean, he was close right? Again I encourage you to leave your apartment once a year and experience the real world.

But seriously, I'm with leadsupplier on this point; they'll stop him some way or another. 18 Hookers all claiming to have his love child. A bullet to the head. A severe misinformation campaign. Some other new scandal we haven't seen before...
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By your own token "they" have already stopped him. He gets no media attention. They don't have to call him out on a scandal or shoot him in the head, they just have to keep doing what they've been doing. America doesn't know who Ron Paul is.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
I will guarantee you that if pot is legalized next year, Walmart will NOT sell it because it would destroy their image. If it's legalized it will still be seen as a drug. The best you could hope for is nationwide dispensaries, which you'll be paying premium price for.
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Britain has had free heroin dispensaries since 2005 with a small test group, and large scale since 2009.

BBC NEWS | UK | Heroin supply clinic 'cuts crime'

It cuts government's enforcement and crime costs.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
As I've said, it's a low-risk drug both in terms of health and crime issues.
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Correct, which is why it's more prudent, and advantageous, for the Government to legalize it and collect taxes from the sale of it.

There's already been Pot Growing Stores in California and other states over the past few years that help people with registered prescriptions grow their own marijuana. Tax it and move on. Like anything new, people will abuse it until they get tired of it once the fad wares off and then the Government gets money from those continuing to grow and sell it and saves money from having to enforce the legality of it and focus on actual criminals.

You won't see any of that though because the politicians are paid off by the drug cartels to keep it illegal. Once it becomes legal, they lose money from the distribution--even if it's more economically viable and beneficial to everyone if it's legal.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Marijuana will always be cheaper illegally and pot smokers know that.
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As weed is currently in a under-supplied market, legalisation will drive a much higher increase in supply than demand thus lowering the price.

supplyanddemand2.GIF


On the topic of Ron Paul I'm pretty sure the point of democracy is to vote for the candidate who can best serve the public, not a betting game of "who's going to win" so you can stroke your ego.
 
monies said:
As weed is currently in a under-supplied market, legalisation will drive a much higher increase in supply than demand thus lowering the price.

supplyanddemand2.GIF
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I understand the basic S&D graph, and I said a few times I was speaking from my own experience. From what I or any other pot smoker I've ever known, it's not hard to find a supply of pot, and it's cheaper to buy illegally.

In theory, if the flip is switched and pot is legal everywhere and it's a free-for-all, I agree it'd follow the basic law of S&D.

On the topic of Ron Paul I'm pretty sure the point of democracy is to vote for the candidate who can best serve the public, not a betting game of "who's going to win" so you can stroke your ego.
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I'm voting for Ron Paul and I tell all my family and friends to do the same. But I also bet Romney will win the GOP primary and then probably lose to Obama. It's not really ego stroking as I could easily be wrong, and hope I am. It's just what I think.
 
I'm just saying we should count the old man out even if he doesn't seem to have a chance. All these "he'll never make it" statements only hurt his campaign as lazier voters will just decide "fuck it, there's no point". What's important is not whether he has a chance but rather he can move America forward.
 
monies said:
I'm just saying we should count the old man out even if he doesn't seem to have a chance. All these "he'll never make it" statements only hurt his campaign as lazier voters will just decide "fuck it, there's no point". What's important is not whether he has a chance but rather he can move America forward.
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As I've said, I support Paul and say so to my family and friends.

Predicting that he'll lose on a forum that jerks off to him isn't going to discourage anybody from voting. I'm voting for him.
 
People get excited about Ron Paul's ideas.

The number of people here who want to be his best friend is probably much smaller than the number of people who recognize him as someone they might be able to trust to do what he says, and that he has correctly identified many of the core problems.
 
guerilla said:
People get excited about Ron Paul's ideas.

The number of people here who want to be his best friend is probably much smaller than the number of people who recognize him as someone they might be able to trust to do what he says, and that he has correctly identified many of the core problems.
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I actually disagree with many of his policies or am at least fearful of their full impact if implemented. But, the reason I'd think about voting for him is that he seems like he might actually not be a criminal. Whereas every other politician just seems like a fucking lying criminal at this point - including Obama.

My standards are so low at this point that all I want is someone who isn't out to rob the American people blind.

Then again watch RP be the ultimate Trojan horse haha
 
WickedJoe said:
I actually disagree with many of his policies or am at least fearful of their full impact if implemented. But, the reason I'd think about voting for him is that he seems like he might actually not be a criminal. Whereas every other politician just seems like a fucking lying criminal at this point - including Obama.

My standards are so low at this point that all I want is someone who isn't out to rob the American people blind.

Then again watch RP be the ultimate Trojan horse haha
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While some of Ron Paul's radical policies may be "scary" to people, if he's elected this is what checks & balances are for. His policies will in the very least require modifications.

I, like you, like him because he seems to be the most politically genuine.
 
WickedJoe said:
I actually disagree with many of his policies or am at least fearful of their full impact if implemented.
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Don't take this as me being condescending, but if you did some more research into his positions, by say reading a book like the Revolution Manifesto or Liberty Defined, I think you might see those policies much differently.

Something similar happened to me, although I was already on my way, when I read Walter Block's "Defending the UnDefendable".

We all have to challenge our fears to see if the facts match the emotional response or we'll always be slaves to anyone who would intimidate us.
 
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WickedJoe said:
I actually disagree with many of his policies or am at least fearful of their full impact if implemented. But, the reason I'd think about voting for him is that he seems like he might actually not be a criminal. Whereas every other politician just seems like a fucking lying criminal at this point - including Obama.

My standards are so low at this point that all I want is someone who isn't out to rob the American people blind.

Then again watch RP be the ultimate Trojan horse haha
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What particular policies of his are you afraid of?
 
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