The Cure for Cancer

Cancer can be defeated by your body in some cases, but trying to tell people with terminal cancer that eating more greens could save their lives is just plain offensive. My grandmother is dying from cancer, she has the healthiest diet I know of. She's done the whole 5 fruit/veg thing a day for the last 6 years. She never drank. She never smoked. She has cancer.

Well, I'm referring to far more than just greens, and sorry bout your Grandma, but what kind of cancer? Yes, you can have the best diet in the entire history of man and still get cancer. No one would be foolish enough to argue that, but what if maybe her ancestors had eaten a different way?

If you think that eating well will protect you, then great - but you can get cancer whether you eat well or terribly.

I think pretty much everyone in this thread agrees with this. My point is I don't think people put enough weight on how much food plays a role. I think it does more than potentially reduce your chances, I think it definitely reduces your chances, and by a fuck ton. Where my beliefs diverge from the rest is that I do believe the right diet can cure cancer just as the Dr in the vid cured her MS. I also have other beliefs about food that most would think is nonsense... for instance: If I was diagnosed with kidney failure tomorrow, do you know what I would start eating more of? Kidneys. If I hat degenerative heart disease, I'd eat hearts. Liver cancer, I'd eat liver.

In the end though, this is just my belief so I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything 100%, just think you guys should keep an open mind about what can be done with the human body as far as changing it and healing it with food and mindset.
 


Too late to edit my earlier post, but this drives the point home:


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Good point and an amusing graphic, but we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes as far as US aircraft.


Unmanned Air Force space plane lands after secret mission | Cutting Edge - CNET News

That was in space over a year and "nobody" knew about it or knows exactly what is was doing.


There are lots of rumors about various aircrafts, some more wild than others..

Blackstar (spacecraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

TR-3 Black Manta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgU94ZkgB8E]Richard Dolan: Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011 - YouTube[/ame]
 
Good point and an amusing graphic, but we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes as far as US aircraft.


Unmanned Air Force space plane lands after secret mission | Cutting Edge - CNET News

That was in space over a year and "nobody" knew about it or knows exactly what is was doing.


There are lots of rumors about various aircrafts, some more wild than others..

Blackstar (spacecraft) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

TR-3 Black Manta - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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Richard Dolan: Secret Space Program Conference Amsterdam 2011 - YouTube

Aliens cause cancer?
 
I won't get in the middle of this cock measuring contest. But I found something else quite interesting.

University of Iowa study tests ketogenic diet for lung and pancreatic cancers | TheGazette

The University of Iowa received a ~ 1/3 of a million dollar grant near the end of last year specifically for research of ketogenic diets and their aid in the treatment of cancer alongside traditional treatments such as Chemo.

The grant was awarded by the National Cancer institute.


Oh and by the way, cancer cells do feed on sugar (glucose) if it's readily available in the bloodstream.


Edit: Another interesting find: http://asbp.org/siterun_data/news/doc11287173861305215314.html

Scroll down to "Dr. Thomas Seyfried"
 
cancer can be prevented by having one cup of green tea daily morning .It also helps in stopping hair loss,getting wrinkles on face and vene prevents heart disease.check this out Green Tea Health Benefits - Benefits Of Green Tea - Green Tea And Weight Loss

Are you slinging offers? :D

FDA Denies Green Tea Cardiovascular Health Claim
This letter sets out the basis for FDA's determination that there is no credible scientific evidence to support qualified health claims about consumption of green tea or green tea extract and a reduction of a number of risk factors associated with CVD.
 
Good point and an amusing graphic, but we have no idea what is going on behind the scenes as far as US aircraft.

This motherfucker is 48 years old and is still the fastest jet powered manned aircraft to ever fly (that we know of). The entire outer skin is entirely titanium and it was tested at Area 51. It looks like it could have been built yesterday.

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Who knows what they're hiding 50 years later.
 
Well, I'm referring to far more than just greens, and sorry bout your Grandma, but what kind of cancer? Yes, you can have the best diet in the entire history of man and still get cancer. No one would be foolish enough to argue that, but what if maybe her ancestors had eaten a different way?

Primary peritoneal carcinoma (but not caused by BRCA1/2 - she doesn't have the gene defect), it's pretty rare I believe.

It's a cancer of the lining of the peritoneum (the lining of your abdomen that contains all the major organs). Started off there, spread down into the lining of the pelvis, and recently up into the pleura and to the lymph nodes.

She had one dose of chemotherapy but it made everything worse, and there's no trials that she's fit enough to take part in.

She's 92, so not by any means young. My grandfather is 92 too, they both have families which when going back lived to old age. Came from a very poor background so sure their diet wasn't strong when growing up, but since their mid-20's it has been.

Where my beliefs diverge from the rest is that I do believe the right diet can cure cancer just as the Dr in the vid cured her MS. I also have other beliefs about food that most would think is nonsense... for instance: If I was diagnosed with kidney failure tomorrow, do you know what I would start eating more of? Kidneys. If I hat degenerative heart disease, I'd eat hearts. Liver cancer, I'd eat liver.

In the end though, this is just my belief so I'm not trying to convince anybody of anything 100%, just think you guys should keep an open mind about what can be done with the human body as far as changing it and healing it with food and mindset.

With this I just take the standpoint that as soon as I see peer reviewed evidence of it actually working, in some form of trial, I will believe it. Until then, all there is out there are various different diets, and clinical trials showing that they have failed to cure cancer.

Stuff like the Gerson Therapy and whatever as far as I'm aware do more harm than good: Gerson therapy : Cancer Research UK : CancerHelp UK

Most "alternative therapies" are in fact much worse than the traditional treatments available. So far as the doctors that specialise in them charge extortionate amounts of money for them, and they have no proven impact at all. Most benefits of them can be put down to positive mindset improving general health, and the people would have likely regressed naturally anyway. Cancer can regress completely naturally in some cases.

So long as it's one doctor who claims he has a cure and has cured several hundred/thousands of patients or whatever, I'd be very weary. No one's going to change my view on diet/diet related treatments curing cancer until I see peer reviewed evidence to suggest it works. I'm sold on diet reducing incidences of cancer though, I think anyone with more than a few brain cells should have a good diet rich in veg, fruit & low in red meat. There's tons of evidence out there to say it reduces your chances of getting cancer, and anything that can do that is great. (Not to mention the other benefits of regular exercise & a healthy diet - I feel much better these days eating a good diet and hitting the gym 4 days a week)

There was a study done on 478,000 europeans and their diets incidentally, which showed the impact of fruit/veg in diet on cancer risk:
http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/04/08/eating-vegetables-doesnt-stop-cancer/

The data translates into a 4 percent lower risk of cancer for every two extra servings of vegetables a day a person eats.

For instance, a person with a 10 percent risk of getting cancer over the next eight years would, at best, lower his or her risk to just 9.6 percent by eating two extra servings of vegetables a day.

It's something, but by no means as preventative as you seem to think a good diet is. There's also correlation/causation problems. People that eat more veg are less likely to drink and smoke as much for example, both of which are carcinogenic.
 
No one would have thought that this was a forum that slung acai berrys and colon cleansing, I'm surprised you don't fall for your own landing pages. Burzynski is a total quack, the smallest amount of research on him should tell you this.

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really?

I guess all those cured people that HAD NO OTHER TREATMENTS were all actors right? and the pet scans, etc all doctored right?

oh wait, even the FDA agreed his results were real and his treatments effective.

let me guess..you didnt watch the documentary?

he is such a loony that the The Department of Health and Human Services now has patents on his inventions.
 
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It's always the same thing when a cancer thread pops up. 8 pages of arguing that leads nowhere, but I'll still chime in because like all of you motherfuckers I've got things to say...

The truth is we all come with a genetic background that will make us more prone to specific diseases/conditions.

We all have to develop a specific diet/lifestyle based on our GENETIC background.

Does prostate cancer run in your family? Lower your red meat intake and try to do things that promote prostate health.

Does heart disease run in your family? Manage your weight, exercise and lower you stress.

Does mental disease run in your family? Don't drink too much, exercise and watch your stress levels.

Does everybody in your family have shitty eye sight? Have a motherfucking blueberry/carrot/strawberry smoothie every morning.

And so on...
 
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really?

I guess all those cured people that HAD NO OTHER TREATMENTS were all actors right? and the pet scans, etc all doctored right?

oh wait, even the FDA agreed his results were real and his treatments effective.

let me guess..you didnt watch the documentary?

he is such a loony that the The Department of Health and Human Services now has patents on his inventions.

It's a load of shit.

the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has not approved these products for the treatment of any disease.

Also, anyone would look to patent any potential drug for fighting cancer, no matter its promise. If there's a small chance something will work, people will try to patent it. Risk / reward.

A 2004 medical review described antioneoplaston treatment as a "disproven therapy"

In 1998, three prominent oncologists were enlisted by the journal Cancer Letters to conduct independent reviews of Burzynski's clinical trial research on antineoplastons. They concluded that the studies were poorly designed, not interpretable, and "so flawed that it cannot be determined whether it really works"; one of them characterized the research as "scientific nonsense".[12] In addition to questioning Burzynski's research methods, the oncologists found significant and possibly life-threatening toxicity in some patients treated with antineoplastons.

Independent scientists have been unable to reproduce the positive results reported in Burzynski's studies: the National Cancer Institute has observed that researchers other than Burzynski and his associates have not been successful in duplicating his results,[13] and Cancer Research UK states that “available scientific evidence does not support claims that antineoplaston therapy is effective in treating or preventing cancer.”

I don't give a shit about what he says in his documentary. The documentary is a sales pitch for his treatment, made by him. It's like you taking my advice on something like cars when I'm a car salesman. No intelligent person takes a car salesman's word for everything on the best car - you know he has one motivation - to sell you a car in his dealership.

They only took the voice of supporters in producing the documentary, it's the least objective thing I've ever seen in my life.

When you have a treatment, with only one man who has "evidence" that it works, and tons of doctors not linked to any company attempting to replicate his results without success, and tons of other studies done proving that it can even be toxic.. How the hell do you get behind him and believe him?

Tons of things can cause cancer to regress, but there's no proof that any of these alternative treatments work. Doctors would be trying it and coming out with positive results. No big pharma company can keep hundreds of doctors/people quiet in a digital age.

A quote from cancer research UK:

We’d like to add a more general note on alternative cancer treatments. As we’ve discussed before, Cancer Research UK is often accused of being part of some kind of “Big Pharma conspiracy” when we report the lack of evidence for the effectiveness of alternative cancer treatments.

These accusations are offensive to all of our scientists, doctors, nurses, fundraisers and supporters, many of whom have lost people to cancer and want nothing more than to see this terrible disease beaten.

The truth is that these alternative treatments have not been shown to cure cancer, and those who say they do must provide credible scientific evidence to support their claims.

Also, it is not true that certain alternative treatments are being ignored by the pharmaceutical industry for financial reasons. The issues around what pharma companies chose to invest in are complex. But it’s not the case that ‘unpatentable’ cancer drugs or treatments are suppressed by the pharmaceutical industry.

For example, the drug aspirin has been out of patent for many years, yet it is currently being investigated in clinical trials for preventing cancer – experts believe this humble drug could significantly cut cancer rates. Furthermore, cheap off-patent drugs including statins and beta-blockers are also being investigated by our researchers for their cancer-fighting potential.

In addition, there are ways that companies can patent pre-existing or reformulated compounds if they show genuine promise against cancer, so they can make them widely available to patients on a commercial scale. And Cancer Research UK also works to secure rights to investigate and market shelved drugs or drugs for rare cancers that could benefit patients – so-called ‘orphan’ drugs – such as fenretinide for childhood cancer. (Edited for accuracy 25/11/11 KA)

If any of the so-called ‘miracle’ cures for cancer showed genuine, reproducible benefits for patients, they would be jumped on by doctors and scientists who are desperate to find better ways to treat the hundreds of thousands of people who are diagnosed with cancer every year in the UK. The fact that they are not speaks volumes.

I seriously hope that if any of you guys or members of your family get cancer, you listen to doctors and take the appropriate treatment, and don't put your lives in the hands of completely unproven alternative treatments. It sickens me to my stomach that these alternative treatment providers get away with what they are doing.
 
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really?

I guess all those cured people that HAD NO OTHER TREATMENTS were all actors right? and the pet scans, etc all doctored right?

oh wait, even the FDA agreed his results were real and his treatments effective.

let me guess..you didnt watch the documentary?

he is such a loony that the The Department of Health and Human Services now has patents on his inventions.

Are you a 9/11 truther? Because you sound about as gullible as one.
 
Wow. Some people around here are cannot read.

His treatment WORKS. Says the FDA, NCI, Etc etc etc not
him.

And yeah 9/11 was master minded by Mel Gibson.
 
Top executives, senior researchers and board members of the pharmaceutical industry have died of cancer. Faced with death, they would seek a cure, and would not have died. No one dies for the profits of some company.

I've pondered about this myself on occasion. The way I see it, there are no evil movie/comic type villains in the world. Just about everyone, even the bat shit crazy, believe what they are doing is right. The more fucked up among us achieve that sense of righteousness by using proportionately crazier rationalizations.

So, some old grey son of a bitch making metric shit tons of money off of outdated cancer treatment is most likely going to spend all of his time rationalizing that it really is the most superior type of treatment, whether or not that is actually the case. He'll be surrounded by people and studies that reinforce this belief. He will of course immediately discredit and reject any evidence to the contrary because it threatens not only his livelihood but also his self-respect. In a way, he is the top consumer of his own kool-aid.

Then one day, oh noes, he gets cancer. Is he going to be able to shake decades of indoctrinating himself and head to India for some sort of top-secret alternative medicine he's been actively covering up all these years? Fuck no. That's what the evil heartless CEO in a movie would do. That's what a cartoon villain does. Things don't really happen like that in real life.
 
I've pondered about this myself on occasion. The way I see it, there are no evil movie/comic type villains in the world. Just about everyone, even the bat shit crazy, believe what they are doing is right. The more fucked up among us achieve that sense of righteousness by using proportionately crazier rationalizations.

So, some old grey son of a bitch making metric shit tons of money off of outdated cancer treatment is most likely going to spend all of his time rationalizing that it really is the most superior type of treatment, whether or not that is actually the case. He'll be surrounded by people and studies that reinforce this belief. He will of course immediately discredit and reject any evidence to the contrary because it threatens not only his livelihood but also his self-respect. In a way, he is the top consumer of his own kool-aid.

Then one day, oh noes, he gets cancer. Is he going to be able to shake decades of indoctrinating himself and head to India for some sort of top-secret alternative medicine he's been actively covering up all these years? Fuck no. That's what the evil heartless CEO in a movie would do. That's what a cartoon villain does. Things don't really happen like that in real life.

I own a second hand car lot. I sell people shit cars and convince them that they're better than all the other cars out there. Even though I know I'm lying, and that in 6 months it'll be stuck on the roadside in the middle of no where. Do I drive one of the cars I'm selling? Hell no. I go and buy a better car.

I could believe your argument for more minor things, but the most basic of human instincts is survival. People will do anything to survive. That's the whole reason these alternative treatments exist in the first place - desperate people are willing to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars for a 1% chance of survival, when faced with certain death.

You don't care about self respect or anything else any more. You'd be on that plane to india, probably take your drug company's chemotherapy as well. Perhaps you'd come out and say the chemotherapy worked and cured you, and deny you ever went to this place in India or whatever, too. You wouldn't die though.

Sure as hell if there was a treatment you'd seen evidence of working, and believed it worked yourself - you'd be chasing every single last one when diagnosed yourself.

To quote ca$hvertising (never thought I'd be able to do that in this context, haha), the most powerful human desires are the following, starting from the most fundamental:

1. Survival, enjoyment of life, life extension
2. Enjoyment of food and beverages
3. Freedom from fear, pain and danger
4. Sexual companionship
5. Comfortable living conditions
6. To be superior, winning, keeping up with the joneses
7. Care and protection of loved ones
8. Social approval

Surviving is #1. Losing social approval/superiority or whatever, #6/#8.

People sell their businesses and life work to survive. I don't see how that is much different to turning around on a life working at a pharma company, etc..
 
Primary peritoneal carcinoma (but not caused by BRCA1/2 - she doesn't have the gene defect), it's pretty rare I believe.

It's a cancer of the lining of the peritoneum (the lining of your abdomen that contains all the major organs). Started off there, spread down into the lining of the pelvis, and recently up into the pleura and to the lymph nodes.

Above my head... not going to pretend to have anything intelligent to say about that.


With this I just take the standpoint that as soon as I see peer reviewed evidence of it actually working, in some form of trial, I will believe it. Until then, all there is out there are various different diets, and clinical trials showing that they have failed to cure cancer.

Well, that's your right.. but what if the doc in the vid I posted had the same mindset? Her life would suck, rather than her giving a TED talk about her miraculous recovery.


I'm sold on diet reducing incidences of cancer though, I think anyone with more than a few brain cells should have a good diet rich in veg, fruit & low in red meat.

Grass fed beef and it's organ meats are one of the best sources of nutrition most people can get. Perhaps you don't digest it well, and it's not right for you...idk..but my lineage is largely native american and they grubbed down on some bloody red bison...and I'd be a fucking fool to not eat red meat. Grass fed and corn fed beef have entirely different macro nutrient breakdowns. Corn is shit food.. basically an anti nutrient. Cows weren't meant to eat it any more than humans were and it's in almost everything you buy at the super market, due to government subsidiaries and it's incredible versatility. IMO the number one contributor to America's health and obesity epidemic is GMO corn. Do you know what GMO corn does? It kills the insects that eat it by degrading their intestinal walls. America now has to import it's pig intestines from New Zealand (where they have banned GMO) in order to use them as sausage casings, because the intestines from the pigs in the US that have been fed GMO are too brittle and will break, thus making them useless for making sausage. Did you know pigs genetically resemble humans closer than almost any other animal? Did you know that it has taken 3-4 generations to see these problems in the pigs? As humans with longer lifespans, we have yet to reach the generational threshold where we will begin to see the full effect of GMO corn on our societies health... but it's already starting to show. So yeah, lower your corn fed beef intake for sure, but keep your diet moderate in grass fed beef and wild salmon... those are some of the best sources of omega fats you can get. You know, what your brain is made of.

My favorite saying: "You aren't what you eat, you're what you eat has eaten."


There was a study done on 478,000 europeans and their diets incidentally, which showed the impact of fruit/veg in diet on cancer risk:
Eating Vegetables Doesn't Stop Cancer - NYTimes.com

Quote:
The data translates into a 4 percent lower risk of cancer for every two extra servings of vegetables a day a person eats.

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For instance, a person with a 10 percent risk of getting cancer over the next eight years would, at best, lower his or her risk to just 9.6 percent by eating two extra servings of vegetables a day.

It's something, but by no means as preventative as you seem to think a good diet is. There's also correlation/causation problems. People that eat more veg are less likely to drink and smoke as much for example, both of which are carcinogenic.

I really don't think you can put this into concrete percentages as you keep trying to do. This isn't Google's algorithm we're talking about here. But for argument's sake, lets assume that you can..

So according to the NY times (wonder if they have any owners that have stakes in big pharma?) study that you feel is definitive enough to cite as supporting evidence in this winner take all, uber important WF debate.. Eating an extra 2 servings of veggies lowers my chances of getting cancer by 4 percent? OK.. What kind of cancer does this lower my chances of getting? What kind of veggies did they eat? Did they all eat the same veggies? Was anything else in their diet changed? Were they GMO veggies? If I ate four servings of those vegetables would my chances be reduced by 8 percent? What if I ate 8 servings of kale, the most nutritionally dense vegetable, what would my chances be then?.. The same as if I ate 8 servings of cauliflower?

What if instead of adding 2 servings of canned green beans to my shitty diet, I instead ate 6-7 servings of a mixture of fresh kale, spinach, asparagus, seaweed, blueberries, kiwi, apples, and sweet potatoes in addition to my diet consisting of grass fed beef, organ meats, and wild salmon for protein and fat sources.. and coconut oil, avocado, and almonds for additional fat sources, and it was all eaten in a way that was based upon my activity levels so the carbs would actually be used by the body rather than shot directly into the blood stream causing huge insulin spikes and thus inflammation which leads to the degradation and aging of cells... What would my chances be then?

I wouldn't be foolish enough to try and put a percentage on it, but I fucking guarantee you it would lower my chances of getting cancer by FAR more than what's quoted in the useless study you posted.