This is scary

[erect]

You guys lost me with "extremist Atheism" WTF?

Atheism is not a political belief, it is a DISbelief. Hard to take that to extremes.

Atheist: I don't believe in any God.
Extreme (again, WTF?) Atheist: I err...extremely... do not believe in any God... seriously!

::emp::

I'll help you out with that one

Atheist: I don't believe in any God, I believe in evolution.
Extreme Atheist: I believe so strongly that we evolved from the strongest slugs that I'm going to destroy the weakest in the human race so that they won't breed. By doing this, I'm doing my part to help our race turn into aryan slugs.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

And you have been proven wrong by MANY members here.

Again, you suffer from a heavy case of confirmation bias. You also don't understand the meaning of proof and, again, I can cite many people that agree with me and many people that disagree with you. Who cares. You're lucky I haven't created a post citing all the disagreements people had with you. I don't know if you just skip over those or not.... BUT THEY EXIST in NUMBERS. So instead of saying and hoping thatI've been proven wrong prove me wrong.

This is NOT about my personal stance and beliefs on religion, although you seem to think that is the case with everyone arguing against you. This is about facts.

Alright, fuck your personal stance I don't give a SHIT about your personal stance. (you keep thinking I care about your personal stance so much) (because you take things I say personally when usually they aren't)

Let's get it down to this simple fact..... The majority of Muslims are PEACEFUL, the majority of Christians are PEACEFUL, the majority of atheists are PEACEFUL.

This is all I give a FUCK about in this thread.

I don't want anyone standing on their fucking pedestal looking down at anyone else and saying they are inferior. We are all, greater than 90% of us, in each group..... PEACEFUL. (Yes, I created an atheist music thread that said "religion bashing" you can't see over this fact and it has tainted every other post that I've made.)

I don't know how the fuck you can refute that. (that we are all, majority of us, PEACEFUL <---refute this please in your next post)

We are talking about less than 10% in each group.... I've already shown that 90% of Muslims DO NOT believe in jihad. ^^^^^somewhere

You can argue that even less than 10% of Christians are extreme that's fine. But you can't refute that Christian terror exists too. (and that some perecentage exists that is extreme, to the point of killing, at this current time in history)

Atheism has it's extremes also.... (cites trillions and trillions of deaths here.)

Who gives a shit.... THE MAJORITY OF EVERY GROUP IS PEACEFUL!

It doesn't make sense to point at the Muslims and say, "hey look....less than 10% of your 1.57 billion large group believes in jihad your entire group is evil." It doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense to point at the Christians and say, "hey look....less than 10% of your however large group believes in killing abortion doctors... your entire group is evil." It doesn't make sense. (there is more than just abortion doctor killings too... ---> Christian Terror)

It doesn't make sense to point at the atheists and say, "hey look... less than 10% of your group is ass raping babies...your entire group are rapists." It doesn't make sense.

You see Islam and think it's evil while at the same time think your Christianity is so pure. Hypocrisy. I don't even need to cite scripture from the Bible. I know Christian terror exists..... people twist the scripture however they want and commit terror in the name of Christianity. People twist scripture from the Qur'an and commit terror in the name of Islam. People take atheism to the extreme and commit atrocities.

We are all in the same damn boat. Instead of pointing the fingers we can realize that nut cases exist in the world period, no matter what belief system they choose and decide to twist into the extreme.

Simply, what are you trying to argue? That Islam is evil? What are you trying to argue? You can't refute that most of the world's peoples are peaceful and that only a few bad apples taint the entire damn thing.

I just don't get you. You think that I'm extremely intolerant because of that fucking atheist music thread. You can't get my message because you already have judged me. In fact, I'm standing up for the Muslims... good job me. Thank you.

I would think that many real athiest would stay away from religeous debates. I mean it would be like debating the Easter Bunny with a 5 year old..no?

I am not trying to convert anyone to anything. (at least anymore and really haven't been trying to do so.)

All I'm doing is trying to get people to stop thinking Muslims are evil. (in this thread at least.)

It's extremely ignorant, intolerant, wrong, prejudiced, etc...

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Sorry for the double post....and million word posts. Two rules broken.... I know.

I'll try to keep replies shorter to the ones that have IQs high enough they don't need everything spelled out to them letter by letter.

I'll help you out with that one

Atheist: I don't believe in any God, I believe in evolution.

Let me knock this one out at the knees......

I'm an atheist and I don't believe in evolution. (not really, but it's possible and it wouldn't be contradictory)

Extreme Atheist: I believe so strongly that we evolved from the strongest slugs that I'm going to destroy the weakest in the human race so that they won't breed. By doing this, I'm doing my part to help our race turn into aryan slugs.

I think you mean "Extreme Evolutionist". (Darwinist, Eugenicist, etc....but not atheist)

 

[emp]

Erect.. I don't even know where to start.

For one - Atheism != "belief" in Evolution and Evolution != Eugenics.

::emp::

 

[emp]

To add to this:

Science does not ask for your belief, all she asks for is your eyes and brain.

::emp:

 

[turbolapp]

I would think that many real athiest would stay away from religeous debates. I mean it would be like debating the Easter Bunny with a 5 year old..no?

It's funny you say this. The other day I was debating the existence of the Tooth Fairy with my 7 year old. He's refuses to believe that she/he doesn't exist. He's holding out for evidence and has decided to use the next time he loses his tooth, and there's no money under his pillow as the evidence. And then he said, "If there really is no tooth fairy, and it really has been you guys leaving me money, I still want my money." I don't know if I was more proud of his reasoning, his desire to test, or his bartering skills.

Of course I also told him he would have to figure out a way to use the same skills to determine whether or not there's a god or if he can go ahead and just add gods to the every growing list of mythical fairies.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

It's funny you say this. The other day I was debating the existence of the Tooth Fairy with my 7 year old. .......... And then he said, "If there really is no tooth fairy, and it really has been you guys leaving me money, I still want my money."

I think this sums up it up quite nice. [not saying this is you popeye]

They want to have their cake (religion, incorrect belief) and eat it too (point at other religions and say they're evil, untrue, give me the money anyway etc.)

What a a nice little story.

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Edit: They're also like 7 year olds. :1orglaugh:

 

[UnripeArbiter]

I believe you may be misinterpreting some of these to be commands to be carried out by followers of Christianity when in reality, they're declarations of what God plans on doing himself with those referenced above.

God instructed "Vengeance is mine" in Romans 12:19
Scripture Index for Romans 12:19

This whole reference is pointless if read by an atheist who believes these words can only possibly be written by man and man alone. After all, you don't even believe God inspired these writings so obviously you would interpret these writings as man commanding man to exact violence against others.

Doesn't matter....

I believe that the people who blew up the WTC were misrepresenting the Qur'an too.

You (maybe?) believe that someone who reads Turbo's scripture and interprets them to do evil things isn't a true Christian. (neither do I)

Muslims don't think the "jihadis" that committed the atrocity (WTC) were true Muslims either... (neither do I)

The majority of Muslims, Sunnis don't believe in jihad. (90% of them)

There was major outrage within the Muslim community (in America and abroad) when the WTC was attacked.

Muslims condemn this violence. Proof.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Here is some Islamic "propaganda". <---for the people that can't see it any other way.

Let the Muslims speak for themselves.

Haram = Forbidden.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOXYPxDTIY8"]YouTube - Muslim Hit Song- Condemning Terrorism!!! (Eng subs)[/ame]


Triple post. ZOMG! At least I turn this OP bullshit retard thread into something useful.

:liberal heart bleeds:

 

[amateursurgeon]

One of the things I love about the Internet is how well everyone like to listen to each other's point of view, especially on topics like religion & politics.

It's always so constructive and edifying to read.

 

[xentech]

Hmm I only read to page 3 and got annoyed but I'm really confused as to how most of the people here are saying that Islam is no more dangerous than Christianity.

'There are radical and extreme Christians as well as Muslims'.

Yeh sure but the difference is in volume. I don't see Christians regulalry going around blowing people up, cutting peoples heads off on video and broadcasting it over the internet, indoctrinating Children to believe that other nations are their enemy or walking the streets of Britain with signs saying 'kill all who don't embrace Christianity'.

Therefore, in my mind, Islam is more dangerous than Christianity. Please tell me where my logic is flawed? The fact is that the people of Islam are (at this current time) a bigger threat to my life than Christian people. Albeit IMO still a very, very weak threat.

All religion is bad but for some reason a lot of atheists today refuse to believe that one religion could possibly be worse than another. I think they do this to seem more fair and intelligent to the religious people they are arguing with but who knows...

The only thing I meant by this is that all religions have their extremists, there is no sense in pointing at Islam and saying it is the only religion with crazies.

Nobody says this.

The majority of Muslims, Sunnis don't believe in jihad. (90% of them)

Hmm as I understand it Jihad is a holy war on the western world, but I'm not sure on that (or care enough to research) so correct me if I'm wrong.

But if we agree that it is then that means that 10% of Muslims believe in this..... I don't see how you could look at that as a low figure? That seems incredibly high to me and I would personally expect it to be well below 1%, given the population of Islam.

Weren't you saying earlier in the thread that Christianity was just as bad as Islam? I seriously doubt that 10% of the Christian community believe in a holy war against Islam...

I typed that up really fast so I've probably made a lot of errors. But ah well

 

[xentech]

And just to clarify, 'down with all religion'.

Good luck bros

 

[UnripeArbiter]

And don't think the leaders of the faiths aren't on my side.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uNHyKuEMls"]YouTube - Pope, Muslim Leaders Condemn Religious Violence[/ame]

^^^ I'll read your post later xentech :starts car to go to Mcdonalds: but I think I like the way it's going.

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Edit: If you watch that video.... even the Pope had the same problem as you guys... so it's tough stuff. :going to Mcdees, hunger strikes:

 

[Mikesev]

To be fair Xentech, that's probably because no Christian country has been invaded by non-Christian countries for a while, had their expansionist neighbours heavily supported by foreign governments etc.

Fact is 90% of Islamic Terrorism probably would stop tomorrow if the US/UK would stop supporting Israel so fervently.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

I don't know how the fuck you can refute that. (that we are all, majority of us, PEACEFUL <---refute this please in your next post)

First off, you directly skipped over the point in my post where I had proven you wrong. I'll do it again, and I'll be using your logic. Refute this please :

According to you, 87-90% of Muslims do not believe in jihad (holy war, violence). That would make 10-13% believe in jihad and all the violence that comes with it. There are approximately 1.3-1.5 billion Muslims in the world. According to your statistics, that's ~161,000,000 Muslims that are not peaceful. This statistic isn't even true, but it is one of your "facts" you use in argument, so I'm using it here.

There are roughly 2.1 billion Christians worldwide. In order for your logic to be sound, you need 241,500,000 Christians that believe in violence in the name of God. You cannot pull a statistic like that because it doesn't exist.

According to YOUR statements and using YOUR pedestal analogy, Christianity SHOULD be on a pedestal over Islam in YOUR mind. You're so anti-religion that you're stumbling over your own "facts".

Which I would believe that more than 90% of Muslims are peaceful since 10% is a staggering number, so your information is wrong to begin with. It doesn't have to do with the outcome of the argument though, since Islam has been proven to be much more violent than Christianity. Due to how it is taught, and the frequency of attacks.

So while you're concerned it seems that "the majority of all of us are peaceful", that has NOTHING...let me repeat...NOTHING to do with the argument. Saying "The majority of Muslims, Christians, and atheists are peaceful" attempts to put each of those things on a level playing field...something you don't believe in (because you believe atheism is superior).

You managed to quote everything BUT my snippet disproving you, but still managed to babble on and on about something that DOES NOT MATTER in this argument.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Hmm I only read to page 3 and got annoyed but I'm really confused as to how most of the people here are saying that Islam is no more dangerous than Christianity.

I am so glad that you see this point. Others didn't see this as clearly as you and I.

'There are radical and extreme Christians as well as Muslims'.

Yes!

Yeh sure but the difference is in volume. I don't see Christians regulalry going around blowing people up, cutting peoples heads off on video and broadcasting it over the internet, indoctrinating Children to believe that other nations are their enemy or walking the streets of Britain with signs saying 'kill all who don't embrace Christianity'.

"Yeh sure" the difference is volume. The crazies are still at least less than 10% of Muslims. You still want to point to the 90% of Islam and say they are the ones cutting heads off. They aren't, the other at maximum 10% are.

Therefore, in my mind, Islam is more dangerous than Christianity. Please tell me where my logic is flawed? The fact is that the people of Islam are (at this current time) a bigger threat to my life than Christian people. Albeit IMO still a very, very weak threat.

Yes, in your mind you say to yourself, "Muslims are dangerous" and I say that is prejudiced.

When you see an American Muslim walking down the street are you going to assume that they fall within the 10% and are on their way to go cut someone's head off?

No... and it would be just as unlikely walking down the streets in the Middle East.

Also, yes the threat of Islamic terrorism happening to you is lower than "getting struck by lightning". <-- you get the point. You live in America where Muslims are the minority and the majority of them are thousands of miles away across the oceans.

However, if you were an abortion doctor... who lived in America.... the threat of Christian terrorism would be very high.

It's a subjective thing.

All religion is bad but for some reason a lot of atheists today refuse to believe that one religion could possibly be worse than another. I think they do this to seem more fair and intelligent to the religious people they are arguing with but who knows...

Fine, one religion is worse than the other. Both are bad(untrue). Done and done. It's also to be fair, yes. (and to point out hypocrisy)

Nobody says this.

You don't say this. (At least it's clear to everyone now, hopefully )

Hmm as I understand it Jihad is a holy war on the western world, but I'm not sure on that (or care enough to research) so correct me if I'm wrong.

Google define:jihad.

• a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels
• a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal (not war)

Top one is for Shia.
Bottom one is for Sunni.

Shia go to war. Jihad is their sixth pillar. It is also one of their 10 practices.

Sunni have spiritual struggles in the sense... "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society." (Sunni also only have five pillars, they exclude jihad.)

Shia(10%) baaaaadd..... (although not 100% of them).
Sunni goooooooddddd..... (although not 100% of them).

But if we agree that it is then that means that 10% of Muslims believe in this..... I don't see how you could look at that as a low figure? That seems incredibly high to me and I would personally expect it to be well below 1%, given the population of Islam.

Within this 10% of Shia, not everyone of them is going out cutting heads off. The number cutting heads off is primarily within this 10%. I need to draw you a venn diagram.....

Anyway, this doesn't change the fact that 90% of them don't believe in jihad. So you still must cut our your prejudice ways.

Weren't you saying earlier in the thread that Christianity was just as bad as Islam? I seriously doubt that 10% of the Christian community believe in a holy war against Islam...

They are, ultimately...

No Christian believes in a holy war against Islam. Christians have other ways of showing their extremism. We still can't deny that Christians have their terrorists.

I typed that up really fast so I've probably made a lot of errors. But ah well

Diagnosis: Most of your errors were because you didn't read all of this thread before this point. You had too much to type because of this and had to type fast. I recommend reading before talking. Yes, you made a lot of errors.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

I am so glad that you see this point. Others didn't see this as clearly as you and I.

Are you kidding me? His statement DIRECTLY DISAGREED with you, and you just agreed with it.

You're now to the point that you have to take somebody's statement, try to twist it and make it mean the complete opposite of what it means, and use that in your argument. You're getting pathetic.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Are you kidding me? His statement DIRECTLY DISAGREED with you, and you just agreed with it.

You're now to the point that you have to take somebody's statement, try to twist it and make it mean the complete opposite of what it means, and use that in your argument. You're getting pathetic.

I did make a mistake there. Thanks!

I retract that statement. :retracted:

However for your crap.... I didn't read it.

The majority of Muslims (and atheists) are peaceful. You can go fuck yourself.

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Edit: For good measure.... you prejudiced bitch.

 

[erect]

I'm an atheist and I don't believe in evolution. (not really, but it's possible and it wouldn't be contradictory)

For one - Atheism != "belief" in Evolution and Evolution != Eugenics.

I don't think all atheists are for eugenics. I'm merely pointing out the potential damage that can be done and you guys want to argue semantics without giveing credit to the general accuracy of my statement.

I think you mean "Extreme Evolutionist". (Darwinist, Eugenicist, etc....but not atheist)

If you're being honest here, Darwinists & Atheists are 2 peas in a pod just like Baptists & Christians.

You're now to the point that you have to take somebody's statement, try to twist it and make it mean the complete opposite of what it means, and use that in your argument.

Not the 1st time, that's how Unripe's arguments works. I feel bad for your future spouse.

 

[LogicFlux]

Google define:jihad.

• a holy war waged by Muslims against infidels
• a holy struggle or striving by a Muslim for a moral or spiritual or political goal (not war)

Top one is for Shia.
Bottom one is for Sunni.

Shia go to war. Jihad is their sixth pillar. It is also one of their 10 practices.

Sunni have spiritual struggles in the sense... "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society." (Sunni also only have five pillars, they exclude jihad.)

Shia(10%) baaaaadd..... (although not 100% of them).
Sunni goooooooddddd..... (although not 100% of them).

Al-Qaeda and Hamas are both Sunni.

And I wish you'd stop throwing these made up figures around. Like someone pointed out, your 10% figure actually seems high. I think maybe one or two percent of muslims are actually "bad" but I have no real way of knowing. However I do think many more mainstream muslims are complicit by not marginalizing the wackos like western society marginalizes theirs. But I also understand that many muslims are simple, poor people, just trying to survive and they are scared to death by the crazies(such as the taliban).