This is scary

[SUP3RNOVA]

However for your crap.... I didn't read it.

The majority of Muslims (and atheists) are peaceful. You can go fuck yourself.

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Edit: For good measure.... you prejudiced bitch.

You did read it, and you saw that it clearly proved you wrong.

You simply have no response.

I think we can all agree that when the person arguing on the other side gets as desperate and pathetic in his arguments as we've witnessed here, we can pretty much chalk the argument as loss (on his part) and just move on with our lives.

I'm not being prejudiced either, I'm just observing facts like everybody else here.

 

[LogicFlux]

If you're being honest here, Darwinists & Atheists are 2 peas in a pod just like Baptists & Christians.

I'm sure they're highly(positively) correlated but there's no logical inconsistency in being one and not the other. Atheism is a lack of belief. As much as people want to evangelize it(which I'm increasingly for), at its core it is not a belief or an assertion of anything. It is simply a lack of acceptance of assertions made by those who believe in some form of the supernatural.
Evolution is a scientific theory. Atheists tend to trust science and reject unfounded claims, hence the correlation.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

I think maybe one or two percent of muslims are actually "bad" but I have no real way of knowing.

Just because there are literally over a billion Muslims, I would probably venture to say the percentage of extremists that actually commit violence are 1% or less.

But like I said that doesn't matter in argument, because out of the 2 billion Christians in the world, much less than 1% are violent, clearly more so than Muslims.

 

[emp]

I don't think all atheists are for eugenics. I'm merely pointing out the potential damage that can be done and you guys want to argue semantics without giveing credit to the general accuracy of my statement.

Oh for crying out loud.

The world is being ripped apart by Christian, Jewish and Muslim forces and you are debating that Atheists are the bad guys?

And if you are gonna argue that "our forces are not Christian" then I don't wanna hear any cries of "no atheists in foxholes" the next time this debate comes up.

My brain hurts... seriously, erect, WTF?

::emp::

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Al-Qaeda and Hamas are both Sunni.

Damn, your right. That really does fuck up some of what I've said. At least I'm trying to learn about Muslims instead of saying their violent as all hell (like others are claiming).

And I wish you'd stop throwing these made up figures around. Like someone pointed out, your 10% figure actually seems high. I think maybe one or two percent of muslims are actually "bad" but I have no real way of knowing. However I do think many more mainstream muslims are complicit by not marginalizing the wackos like western society marginalizes theirs. But I also understand that many muslims are simple, poor people, just trying to survive and they are scared to death by the crazies(such as the taliban).

You're right, the number is probably much lower than 10% I was just trying to be conservative. In this case I was being too conservative.

The fact still remains through both of these hiccups that at least 90% of Muslims are peaceful people. You could say if you wanted to, nearly 98% are actually "good".

Again, many millions of Muslims (here and abroad) condemn this violence. Remember that Religion of Peace website you found that whole site is for condemning the violence, that is why they exist. A "true" Muslim condemns violence, just as a "true" Christian does.

It is a common American prejudice to point at a Muslim and think he/she is dangerous. (this is all I'm battling.)

Think of a Muslim getting on a plane... everyone freaks out. It's a prejudice. It's 98% of the time, as you say, not going to be correct.

 

[erect]

Oh for crying out loud.

The world is being ripped apart by Christian, Jewish and Muslim forces and you are debating that Atheists are the bad guys?

And if you are gonna argue that "our forces are not Christian" then I don't wanna hear any cries of "no atheists in foxholes" the next time this debate comes up.

My brain hurts... seriously, erect, WTF?

::emp::

My quote was taken way out of context here. If you read my previous ones, you'll see that I'm an advocate of "people are inherently evil" since unripe is arguing that the world would be peaceful if there is no God worshipers.

I'm just pointing out the error in his logic.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Just because there are literally over a billion Muslims, I would probably venture to say the percentage of extremists that actually commit violence are 1% or less.

But like I said that doesn't matter in argument, because out of the 2 billion Christians in the world, much less than 1% are violent, clearly more so than Muslims.

OK, both religions have less than 1% extremism then.... (both have extremism is the point and it's a low percentage)

Nearly the same thing. Point made.

99% of them are peaceful. Quit hatin'.

My quote was taken way out of context here. If you read my previous ones, you'll see that I'm an advocate of "people are inherently evil" since unripe is arguing that the world would be peaceful if there is no God worshipers.

I'm just pointing out the error in his logic.

People will always find something to kill one and other over. We can at least get over petty superstitions.

Would you argue that we should keep these superstitions and add to the pot of things to kill one and other over?

And I've said it a few times... atheism can be taken to the extremes... (although that doesn't make sense, but yeah people could take evolution too far...Aryan race etc.)

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

Damn, your right. That really does fuck up some of what I've said. At least I'm trying to learn about Muslims instead of saying their violent as all hell (like others are claiming).

We're telling you the reasons why Islam is more violent than Christianity.

Bring up what percentage of Christians are violent extremists and then you'll have brought up a valid point in your argument.

Other than that, you're ignoring the simple fact that Islam is more violent than Christianity. You have been proven wrong on this multiple times.

But once again, you twist others' arguments into us all claiming that all Muslims are evil. Nobody is saying that the majority of Muslims aren't peaceful. We are saying Islam as a religion is more violent than Christianity, and we are backing that up with common-sense facts and statistics. You have no argument against these statistics disproving your own logic, and your retaliation has always been just an attack about Christianity being on a pedestal (which it would be with your logic) and why everybody doesn't understand that the majority of Muslims are peaceful.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

Nearly the same thing. Point made.

99% of them are peaceful. Quit hatin'.

Once again, the point your are making does not pertain to the argument. I have said this probably 20 times already with you.

I'm not "hatin'" on Muslims, I'm simply proving your argument invalid. You flipped out in one of your previous essays about this NOT being about our personal beliefs. Yet your response to this argument dealt only with the message for me to "Quit hatin'." That sounds personal to me.

Once again I'm not hating, the majority of Muslims are peaceful. But your argument is wrong and your logic is invalid when you throw Christianity in the mix.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

We're telling you the reasons why Islam is more violent than Christianity.

Bring up what percentage of Christians are violent extremists and then you'll have brought up a valid point in your argument.

Other than that, you're ignoring the simple fact that Islam is more violent than Christianity. You have been proven wrong on this multiple times.

We've already got to the point where we agree that at least 99% of both religions are peaceful, correct? I take it this is what the statement below equates to.

Just because there are literally over a billion Muslims, I would probably venture to say the percentage of extremists that actually commit violence are 1% or less.

But like I said that doesn't matter in argument, because out of the 2 billion Christians in the world, much less than 1% are violent, clearly more so than Muslims.

So how can we say something that is 99% similar to something else is inferior/superior?

You're pointing to the 1% and saying, "see, Christianity is so much better than Islam!".

You're ignoring the 99% similarity.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

My quote was taken way out of context here. If you read my previous ones, you'll see that I'm an advocate of "people are inherently evil" since unripe is arguing that the world would be peaceful if there is no God worshipers.

I'm just pointing out the error in his logic.

I will note here that erect isn't crazy.

He does understand the difference between atheism/eugenicist etc. (of course, he does) he was just taking a devil's advocate position.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

We've already got to the point where we agree that at least 99% of both religions are peaceful, correct? I take it this is what the statement below equates to.



So how can we say something that is 99% similar to something else is inferior/superior?

You're pointing to the 1% and saying, "see, Christianity is so much better than Islam!".

You're ignoring the 99% similarity.

Because the statistic isn't "99.0% of Christians are peaceful and 99.0% of Muslims are peaceful". 1% is still a huge number of people when you're dealing with BILLIONS of people.

So while it would be realistic to think that maybe 99.0% of Muslims are peaceful, I would say 99.9% of Christians are peaceful in comparison. The 0.9% difference is gigantic when you're dealing with billions of people.

There is a difference and Christianity should be considered less violent than Islam because of this difference.

NOTE : This argument is validated not by exact figures and facts of percentages, but by the facts that have been brought up in this thread in regards to frequency and direct teachings (both which you've acknowledged) that would prove there is a difference in violence.

 

[yoink*gasp*]

Because the statistic isn't "99.0% of Christians are peaceful and 99.0% of Muslims are peaceful". 1% is still a huge number of people when you're dealing with BILLIONS of people.

So while it would be realistic to think that maybe 99.0% of Muslims are peaceful, I would say 99.9% of Christians are peaceful in comparison. The 0.9% difference is gigantic when you're dealing with billions of people.

There is a difference and Christianity should be considered less violent than Islam because of this difference.

NOTE : This argument is validated not by exact figures and facts of percentages, but by the facts that have been brought up in this thread in regards to frequency and direct teachings (both which you've acknowledged) that would prove there is a difference in violence.

Where's a facepalm smiley when you need it? I can't believe how ethnocentric some people are.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

Where's a facepalm smiley when you need it? I can't believe how ethnocentric some people are.

Would you like to pull up statistics of today's Christianity being more violent than today's Islam?

The simple answer is, you can't.

Once again you idiots are taking this PERSONALLY. I'm not being stereotypical, racist, "ethnocentric"...I'm not even mentioning my own personal beliefs. This has been about the argument of this thread (the one that I've been in), that modern Islam is more violent than modern Christianity.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Would you like to pull up statistics of today's Christianity being more violent than today's Islam?

The simple answer is, you can't.

Once again you idiots are taking this PERSONALLY. I'm not being stereotypical, racist, "ethnocentric"...I'm not even mentioning my own personal beliefs. This has been about the argument of this thread (the one that I've been in), that modern Islam is more violent than modern Christianity.

:yawns:

Tell it to a Muslim.

 

[xentech]

that modern Islam is more violent than modern Christianity.

Fact.

I don't care what anyone says, I'm not racist and I don't hate these people but I think this is just a fact you cannot deny.

Humans are all the same and if Christians were in the same cultural setting as Islam and had the same catalysts I have no doubts that a similar situation would occur.

But as it stands right now that's not the case.

That's all I'm saying.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

Fact.

I don't care what anyone says, I'm not racist and I don't hate these people but I think this is just a fact you cannot deny.

Humans are all the same and if Christians were in the same cultural setting as Islam and had the same catalysts I have no doubts that a similar situation would occur.

But as it stands right now that's not the case.

That's all I'm saying.

More Islamic terrorists exist in the world than Christian ones.

I can't deny this fact, but we can't look at this at face value alone... if we do we get into the prejudices I describe.

If we ever want world peace we must realize that 99% of us are peaceful people to begin with.

Each one of us (regardless of what group we belong to) has to point at the extremists and call them out instead of calling out the religion as a whole.

Which one's easier... to call out 100% of Islam as our enemy? Or... to ally with 99% of them and help attack the other 1%?

 

[budd77]

The majority of Muslims are PEACEFUL, the majority of Christians are PEACEFUL, the majority of atheists are PEACEFUL.

This is a politically correct statement.

Majority does not count always.

There is enough historical evidence for the people to be paranoid about certain religions. But no politician will say in public the inherent weaknesses of certain religions.

 

[UnripeArbiter]

This is a politically correct statement.

Majority does not count always.

There is enough historical evidence for the people to be paranoid about certain religions. But no politician will say in public the inherent weaknesses of certain religions.

It's a politically correct statement, a correct statement, and a statement everyone needs to realize.

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I'm paranoid of all religions, every single one of them has inherent weaknesses.

 

[hellblazer]

I just don't get you. You think that I'm extremely intolerant because of that fucking atheist music thread. You can't get my message because you already have judged me. In fact, I'm standing up for the Muslims... good job me. Thank you.



I am not trying to convert anyone to anything. (at least anymore and really haven't been trying to do so.)

All I'm doing is trying to get people to stop thinking Muslims are evil. (in this thread at least.)

It's extremely ignorant, intolerant, wrong, prejudiced, etc...

blah blah blah moral equivocation...strawman argument...usual atheist drivel...christians are terrorists TOO....blah blah blah...leave Muslims alone!