Massive shooting in Colorado during The Dark Knight, 14 dead

xpathfucker said:
There are too much guns and they are too easy to obtain. Isn't limiting, or even prohibiting guns from being bought one of the issues here? Your laws in this regard are retarded and I'm no liberal (duno wtf that means really), I'm fucking european, which automatically makes me against firearms being owned by people other then military and police.

The funny thing is, since every fucker in the US has a gun, you guys need to protect yourselves from other people, because, guess what...they own guns. Do you see anything slightly stupid in here? I sure do. Gun fucking control Ly2, simple.
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Too easy to obtain, for whom? To legally buy a gun you have to fill out paper work, go through background checks and waiting times and pay fees.

The people who aren't supposed to have guns legally do none of that. They pay some guy $500 and get a gun right then and there.

There are too many guns in the U.S. to ever outlaw them, so that's off the table. There are almost 300m guns in the U.S., good luck outlawing guns and trying to round those 300m guns up. Again, the only people who would hand them over would be the suckers(tax payers and law abiding citizens). For everyone else, business as usual.

The gun laws only effect law abiding citizens who aren't going to commit any crimes anyway. So what's the point? You can pass gun laws until the cows come home, it has zero effect on criminals. So what exactly is the goal of your gun laws? Because it feels good? Like the "gun free zone" sign at the movie theater made people "feel good"? It's ridiculous.
 


makethatgreen said:
Colorado Batman shooting shows obvious signs of being staged
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His behavior doesn't add up

His behavior already reveals stark inconsistencies that question the mainstream explanation of events. For example, he opened fire on innocent people but then calmly surrendered to police without resistance. This is not consistent with the idea of "killing everyone."

Furthermore, he then admitted to police that his apartment was booby-trapped with explosives. If you were really an evil-minded Joker trying to kill people (including cops), why would you warn them about the booby trap in advance? It doesn't add up.

"Holmes was taken into custody shortly after the shooting, police said, adding he didn't resist when he was arrested," reports a local CBS news affiliate (Police: 12 Dead In Colorado Theater Shooting During Midnight Showing Of New Batman Movie « CBS New York...).

"After his arrest, Holmes told police about 'possible explosives in his residence,' Oates said. When police searched his apartment, they discovered it was booby-trapped and evacuated surrounding buildings, police said. Oates said bomb technicians are determining how to disarm flammable or explosive material in the third-floor apartment. He said police could be there some time."

None of this checks out. If you're a killer bent on causing mayhem, why tell the police about your surprise bomb waiting for them back at your apartment?

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I agree, if your goal is to kill people why the fuck would you alert them to your apartment being full of traps? I thought that the first time I saw it on TV, makes no sense.
 
vgeek said:
lol, I forgot that you can't troll most people, because they're too stupid. The whole Citizen A, Citizen B, Citizen C taking each other out is obviously a joke that people are taking seriously.

If someone comes into a movie theater, guns blazing with obvious body armor on, and someone is CCW, I would assume they'd be on the floor or trying to be as discreet as possible while firing at the assailant in order to get off as many shots as possible before becoming the focus of his attention.
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That post wasn't specifically aimed at you. You were just at the end of an idiotic conversational thread started by Trickydick or w/e the fuck his name is... who looked a lot more like a douchebag/dumbass than a legitimate troll.
 
Gun control seemed to work in Australia. We've only had 1 shooting since it was implemented in 1996 and it was a Chinese international student who obtained handguns legally through a shooting club.

If average citizens having guns is meant to prevent massacres, how come it never does? The logic is sound but the evidence says otherwise.
 
johnmatrix said:
If average citizens having guns is meant to prevent massacres, how come it never does? The logic is sound but the evidence says otherwise.
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How are they supposed to report massacres that didn't happen?

And in tonight's news, 3 massacre's didn't happen because people were armed and a couple nutjobs were sufficiently deterred from committing an atrocity.
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johnmatrix said:
Gun control seemed to work in Australia. We've only had 1 shooting since it was implemented in 1996 and it was a Chinese international student who obtained handguns legally through a shooting club.

If average citizens having guns is meant to prevent massacres, how come it never does? The logic is sound but the evidence says otherwise.
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As what is normally seen in anti-gun cultures is that people just kill other people with other kind of weapons, weather it be knifes, bats, etc...

I remember not that long ago we went through the numbers in the UK, and even though they had gun control there wasn't a noticeable drop in violate crime, the people committing the crimes just used different tools.

It's like banning texting while driving, studies have already shown that distracted drives will be distracted regardless. I'd rather have guns than not. It wasn't long after conceal and carry went in to effect in Wisconsin we started seeing stories about people stopping robberies and whatnot because of it.

Can guns be used for bad? Sure. But so can a lot of other things. What is sad is when something like this happens, a bunch of fags get bent out of shape over it. If he doesn't have guns does he still kill people? Probably. The guy had to be a bit fucked in the head, but again, the story just doesn't add up either. What happens if instead of guns he goes on an axe rampage? Do we ban axes? What about knifes? What about any sharp object?

You really have to come to terms that there are just some fucked up people out there and they are going to do something fucked up regardless.
 
guerilla said:
How are they supposed to report massacres that didn't happen?
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Do you really think mass murderers are worried about the slim chance of being shot by a citizen? they typically end their own lives anyway. Using the same logic, how do you know massacres aren't prevented by gun control? Sure there's going to be outliers that go to any length to obtain weapons and shoot people, but the average psychopath isn't going to be able to do it.

Using the example I spoke of earlier, the Chinese international student who killed 2 people, there is no way he would have been able to obtain 5 handguns illegally here. It's a very different place. There are bikie gangs involved with illegal weapons, but what is he going to do? knock on their front door and ask?

What I meant was why nobody ever manages to shoot the gunman. Isn't that the point? citizens on patrol carrying around weapons so they can shoot evil-doers? When has that ever worked?

Rage9 said:
If he doesn't have guns does he still kill people? Probably. The guy had to be a bit fucked in the head, but again, the story just doesn't add up either. What happens if instead of guns he goes on an axe rampage? Do we ban axes? What about knifes? What about any sharp object?
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There's a massive difference between shooting 30 people in a cinema with an assault rifle, and stabbing someone. How you can justify citizens owning assault rifles based on that is beyond me. Even if he could only obtain handguns instead of assault rifles, a lot more people would have survived.
 
I am ok with hand guns......but massive clip semi/fully automatic weapons? 6000 recently purchased rounds? what other purpose do you have for that other than killing many people?

There is no reason an average citizen needs a machine gun....
 
johnmatrix you have wrong idea about the freedom to bear arms. It's not there for the citizens to protect themselves from the criminals. It's there for the citizens to protect themselves from the government.

Anyway, going off your argument. Mexico is a good example of gun control failure at it's best. Here we have cartels armed to the teeth and all the good people here have to defend themselves are delicious tortillas. If you want a good site to see what a country looks like when criminals are totally out of control and there is very strict gun control for regular citizens check out blogdelnarco.com
 
ly2 from WF said:
http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/wuvc01.txt

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I thought you didn't believe in research? Anyways, no shit, but also according to your source white on white homicide is the biggest group and 86% of white victims get killed by whites. Most homicides take place inside a home between people of the same race who already know each other.







johnmatrix said:
If average citizens having guns is meant to prevent massacres, how come it never does?
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The average citizen never has a gun on them. The teachers at Columbine probably weren't allowed to have guns on school property, but even if they were the odds are that none of them would have chosen to anyway.
 
johnmatrix said:
There's a massive difference between shooting 30 people in a cinema with an assault rifle, and stabbing someone. How you can justify citizens owning assault rifles based on that is beyond me. Even if he could only obtain handguns instead of assault rifles, a lot more people would have survived.
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Really? Say he only kills 5 instead of the last I heard 12. Does it really make it less of a tragedy? What if instead of a gun he deployed explosives? After-all he did booby trap his apartment with explosives. I'm just saying with someone like that they don't have a shortage of options.

What is funny is in a country with banned fire arms, when a fire arm crime takes place I have to think there is larger out rage. How did he get a gun?!? How is this possible?!?

The reality is that, guns exist. People will get them, people will use them for bad reasons. If they can't get a gun, they'll look for something else to do a similar amount of damage.
 
Andrew Scherer said:
johnmatrix you have wrong idea about the freedom to bear arms. It's not there for the citizens to protect themselves from the criminals. It's there for the citizens to protect themselves from the government.

Anyway, going off your argument. Mexico is a good example of gun control failure at it's best. Here we have cartels armed to the teeth and all the good people here have to defend themselves are delicious tortillas. If you want a good site to see what a country looks like when criminals are totally out of control and there is very strict gun control for regular citizens check out blogdelnarco.com
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Fair enough, it's not going to work in all countries. I feel like it has in Australia, I've never been faced with a gun or even spent 30 seconds worrying about being shot. The biggest problem here is alcohol fueled physical violence, an 18 year old kid died last week after being punched on a night out and hitting his head on the ground.

As for protecting from the government... I think it applied 200 years ago, but not today.
 
johnmatrix said:
There's a massive difference between shooting 30 people in a cinema with an assault rifle, and stabbing someone. How you can justify citizens owning assault rifles based on that is beyond me. Even if he could only obtain handguns instead of assault rifles, a lot more people would have survived.
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You think there is no way to get an AR-15 illegally?
 
johnmatrix said:
Fair enough, it's not going to work in all countries. I feel like it has in Australia, I've never been faced with a gun or even spent 30 seconds worrying about being shot. The biggest problem here is alcohol fueled physical violence, an 18 year old kid died last week after being punched on a night out and hitting his head on the ground.
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You are right. I bet it's a chill place to live there. I don't think it would really matter either way.

America and other countries that have violent cultures or have continuous political instability IMO are a different case.

johnmatrix said:
As for protecting from the government... I think it applied 200 years ago, but not today.
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History repeats itself and dude, Nazi Germany wasn't that long ago.

Refer to this nifty Death by Gun Control chart.

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