Ya lets not blame the muslims

[rusvik]

Naturally, the exodus of muslims from Europe must be followed by an exodus of westerners from the middle east.

Sponsoring mujahedin in Syria is another case of with-Kissinger gutter politics based on 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' thinking which also allows for constant strife and lots of profits for thinktanks and military industrial complex alike.

The problem is that while most people - I hope - read 1984 as a warning, people like Kissinger and Cheaney read it as an instruction manual.

It is entirely absurd that the same dictators Rumsfeld helped gain power - the Bath party - of Gaddafi, Saddam and Assad, are now Americas mortal enemies.

Two wrongs don't make a right. It must be possible to be against islamism and cronyism at the same time.

 

[rusvik]

So that's my only stance in this thread.

...and @ 0:33

I sometimes forget that there are actually real nutcase Christians in the US, like the Westboro Babtist Church and their hot virgin daughters.

In Northern-Europe there are hardly any Christians, so we don't have that emotional trauma of growing up with Christians praising god after every little thing. We do have trauma from people praising the Holy Welfare State though which is just as bad.

I'm fine with your crusade against American christiandom, as long as you don't use that as an excuse to play down the fight against Islamism.

 

[dreamache]

This is a logical error, because everything we do not yet know or understand lacks proof, and what you're basically saying is that which exists is only what we already know.

See Black Swans.

I worded it poorly and was meant in relation to the belief in deities. There has been absolutely 0 proof, no sightings, no re-producible objectionable evidence for the existence of any one deity. While a six headed purple unicorn might actually exist as our true god that consistently hides behind our moon out of our sight, the concept of deities and their supposed existence is the closest thing to non-existence you can get.

And it really makes the concept of Gods and the belief others have in them, so ridiculously arbitrary. Because no Gods have been proven to exist, we must assume a six headed purple unicorn has just as much chance of existing than any of the other Gods. And based on everything we know in the material world, the concept of a God is much like a square circle.

 

[acidie]

Samaria shall bear her guilt;
for she hath rebelled against her God:
they shall fall by the sword;
their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Voilence isn't limited to Islam. Fuck where do you think they got their ideas from.

One more time, Judaism begat Christianity begat Islam.

 

[Moxie]

lol @ Moxie trying hard to defend Islam in every thread.

What I copied and pasted would probably be things that Christians in Syria would want people to know, but I guess they are inconvenient facts for people looking to circle jerk over narratives of the us vs. them variety.



"..The conflict in Iraq had already led to the exodus of more than half of the country's Christian population. The threat of a mass exodus in Syria was equally real – for they had been placed in an impossible situation. As minorities protected by the government, local Christians were terrified of a civil war that would leave them vulnerable to Muslim extremists, just as they were frightened that if an Islamic party took control of the country, their rights would no longer be recognized..

The death toll in Syria mounts. The likelihood of exodus increases. Daily, in our helplessness, we are faced with the question of what we might do.

We can tell stories. Tell a story of Muslims and Christians living together. It may be the smallest form of resistance – and yet resistance it is. It battles the dangerous narrative of Muslims and Christians destined to be at odds with one another."

Telling Stories of Muslims and Christians in Syria - Journal Articles - The Interfaith Observer


"We have perpetual war, the global war, and of course, we have to have an enemy and the people have to be hateful of the enemy to be willing to die and sacrifice so much. And if there’s not a real good excuse, then the people don’t support the war. So they have to have hatred. I see, from my viewpoint, hatred of all Muslims. And we do know that the people who attacked us on 9/11 were Muslims but I think there’s more to it than that. I think it’s perfectly alright to address the subject of the danger of Al-Qaeda, which is a small number of people of the Muslim faith. And I don’t like blanket accusations..." - Ron Paul

 

[Moxie]

Inb4 Moxie goes to Saudi Arabia, has his hands cut for having pink-backgrounded-avatar, comes back and cannot type anymore in defense of Islam.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6gk13I1Y0U]Andre The Giant vs. The Iron Sheik, 1984, Norfolk, Va. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Zaino]

What I think people fail to realize is that no matter your religion or lack thereof you are entered into this arena by these muslims.

I was brought up Baptist, but im not going to say I live like a christian should, or does. Its not really what I believe that is important anyhow. Its the fact that I am Christian by association and Christian by culture. I am marked as the enemy regardless if I proclaim im an atheist.

So where does that leave us? We must make a decision what side we will be on basiclaly. Sitting this one out might be ok for another 20 years, but your kids or their kids might have the fight come to their door. Wont you feel like a piece of shit then.

Someone said that truth is boring and no one wants to hear it. Well all is revealed in the moment of truth. When a business owner is down to his last 20 bucks due to a recession, when a person in a hoodie is walking through your gated community, your true character will be revealed and people watching will know everything about you in that moment. When you are approached by a group of muslims who want you to praise their allah douch bag, what will you do? Remember you wanted to sit this one out? Do you tell them to piss off, or suck their dicks and say, hey bro im an allah cocker sucker like you bro.

So while we have the ability today to protest the arming of syrian rebels who simply kill Catholic priests for entertainment, tomorrow we may not have that ability. It is worth noting that only the truth shall set you free.

 

[jacky8]

The invisible sky ghost has his back in heaven now.. Not to be insensitive (or maybe), but seriously, can we get past this fucking shit yet?

The combo of ignorance and arrogance is really killer, but then you're a typical atheist so its quite understandable.

 

[eliquid]

That's the best thing about making your own cult, you can always say you were first.

Was Jesus the ultimate hipster?

Wrong O, the ultimate hipster writes Ruby code and goes by dchuk on this forum

Voilence isn't limited to Islam. Fuck where do you think they got their ideas from.

One more time, Judaism begat Christianity begat Islam.

Hmm, actually with the way its written above I think your confused.

Christianity did not bring forth Islam ( without muslims you have no islam, right? ), Abraham did. Without Abraham there would have been no Islam ( muslims ).

Jesus came centuries after Abraham and followers of Christ are considered Christians. Therefor, how could Christianity begat Islam? Also Issac was Abraham's second son.. so even by birth right....

 

[AdamC]

This is a logical error, because everything we do not yet know or understand lacks proof, and what you're basically saying is that which exists is only what we already know.

See Black Swans.

That isn't what he's saying, in context he is saying that there is no proof of a God existing, not even a suggestion backed with evidence. There is an onus to prove that a God exists, not that a God doesn't exist.

Science bro.

 

[jacky8]

Video - LiveLeak.com - Syrian rebels beheads bishop François Murad

Like my post if you watched entire video

 

[Clarkey]

Wrong O, the ultimate hipster writes Ruby code and goes by dchuk on this forum



Hmm, actually with the way its written above I think your confused.

Christianity did not bring forth Islam ( without muslims you have no islam, right? ), Abraham did. Without Abraham there would have been no Islam ( muslims ).

Jesus came centuries after Abraham and followers of Christ are considered Christians. Therefor, how could Christianity begat Islam? Also Issac was Abraham's second son.. so even by birth right....

Islam DID come from Christianity. They explicitly say, Jesus was a prophet and muhammed was the last prophet.

Islam claims to be the last and final word of God.

Also lol at people arguing for religion.

 

[el toddler]

Buddhism is the most peaceful religion

 

[Moxie]

I was brought up Baptist, but im not going to say I live like a christian should, or does. Its not really what I believe that is important anyhow. Its the fact that I am Christian by association and Christian by culture. I am marked as the enemy regardless if I proclaim im an atheist.

Culture is composed of more than religion.

Apple Computer was co-founded by Steve Jobs, whose father is Syrian Muslim.

The Apostle Paul converted in Syria. He didn't speak English, eat cheeseburgers, or watch the NFL, but an American Muslim like Dr. Oz might do all three.

Modern day Syrian Christians and Muslims probably eat a lot of the same foods, watch the same tv shows, etc.

Quite a few countries have a higher percent of Christians living in them than the USA :

 

[faceblogger]

Buddhism is the most peaceful religion

Wrong. Jainism is the most peaceful religion.

 

[eliquid]

Islam DID come from Christianity. They explicitly say, Jesus was a prophet and muhammed was the last prophet.

Islam claims to be the last and final word of God.

Also lol at people arguing for religion.

Just because your identify someone as a prophet, doesnt mean your religion came from theirs or was begat.

Islam identifies Christians and Jews as a group of people that believe in the one and only God, however they DO NOT believe Jesus was the divine son of God. Therefor, Islam DID not come from Christianity. The whole point in Christianity is believing Christ is son of God.. if you dont believe that, you don't believe in Christianity.

They believed Jesus was a normal man, born of Mary without a biological father ( like Adam ) and his birth was a miracle. They do not believe he was the son of God. However, just because they accept he was a prohpet, doesn't mean their religion begat from Christians.

I would like specific and valid information showing this though from anyone that can prove it without a doubt.

How does your religion spring forth from another religion where you do no believe the one thing that religion recognizes and makes it what it is? ( that Jesus was the son of God or that your God is the Trinity )

Citing that Christianity sprung up in the first century and Islam in the 6-7th, also isn't a valid argument either.

 

[pinchyfingers]

Jesus was the first Christian, bro.

I don't think so, bro.

Maybe some of the apostles or their crew... but I'd go with Paul as the first Christian.

 

[eliquid]

I don't think so, bro.

Maybe some of the apostles or their crew... but I'd go with Paul as the first Christian.

Same, Jesus was a jew.

To be a Christian you need to be a follower of Christ. Paul therefor fits the bill as the first.

 

[hellblazer]

I don't think so, bro.

Maybe some of the apostles or their crew... but I'd go with Paul as the first Christian.

Do you know what a Christian is? It's right there in the name, bro.

The entire concept of Christianity is to be "like Christ". He is the example that his followers are supposed to imitate. He was the first.

He laid down the blueprint, including the part where you're martyred for your beliefs.

Nobody can be more like him than he can, because he was the first, the original, whereas everyone else is simply a carbon copy.

I never suggested that.

Weird, because it really sounds like you're trying to make a case for God not existing based upon the fact that people died, in this quote:

And the omnipresent, omnipotent christian god stood by and watched it happen. But he works in mysterious ways, so you had best shut the fuck up.

And I know that in your lazy, ignorant atheist circles you can probably say stupid shit like this:

You don't need to disprove something that hasn't been proven. No proof = non-existence. Faith is the blind assertion of existence without proof, and it's the root cause of stories like this.

...but you're in the real world here. You can say that the existence of God can't be proven 100%(and even that is debatable), but to say that there is no evidence is quite retarded indeed. The Bible is absolutely stuffed with facts, figures, and events in history that have been confirmed by secular atheists, but even they aren't foolish or deceitful enough to lie about it.

 

[eliquid]

"like Christ"

To be "like Christ", not Christ.

I cant be "like hellblazer" if I am hellblazer.

A follower of Christ is a Christian. Note the word follower and note the word "like" you used.